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Extreme poverty is also a violation of human rights, says Argentinean cardinal [Pope 4 years ago!]
Catholic News Agency ^ | 10/01/09

Posted on 03/17/2013 4:38:40 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Buenos Aires, Argentina, Oct 1, 2009 / 09:01 pm (CNA).- The Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, has called for an ethical response to solve the problem of social debt, saying that, not only do terrorism, repression and murder violate human rights, but also extreme poverty and the “unjust economic structures that give rise to great inequalities.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dependence; god; skeeter; sukz
The crucial part of the article follows...the POPE is not a socialist--he thinks governments that foster dependence are wrong! Check this excerpt from the article:

"Cardinal Bergoglio said the challenge to eradicate poverty could not be truthfully met as long as the poor continue to be dependents of the State. The government and other organizations should instead work to create the social conditions that will promote and protect the rights of the poor and enable them to be the builders of their own future, he explained."

1 posted on 03/17/2013 4:38:40 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

socialism creates dire poverty while the leaders get filthy rich see>Chavez, Castro, Kim clan


2 posted on 03/17/2013 4:41:59 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SoFloFreeper
We DO have LIMITED true poverty in America, but NOT to the extent the Progressives tout....parasitic generational government-dependency is a way of life for father-absent-and-unidentified inner city tribes. Appalacia, for example, and in other rural areas, there is poverty in limited amounts, but those people tend to be proud, God-fearing, WORKING-types, who TRY to pull themselves up with help, and want to find a way upward. They do NOT think others should provide for their every need, nor do they want EBT's to go buying drugs, tattoos, bling, Aire Jordans, Lotto Tickets, Plasma TV's, etc.

BIG DIFFERENCE

3 posted on 03/17/2013 4:46:19 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The government and other organizations should instead work to create the social conditions that will promote and protect the rights of the poor and enable them to be the builders of their own future …
Tricky language, and note that nothing is really said about individualism.

The Communist Manifesto promises something similar:
In place of the old bourgeois society with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.
The ultimate authority is the Bible, though:
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

— Matthew 26:11; also Mark 14:7 and John 12:8

4 posted on 03/17/2013 4:46:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL
When I was in Buenos Aires I was struck by the poverty. There was a begger who couldn't stand - no legs or something as I recall - and there he was in the middle of the affluent shopping street (Florida St as I recall). A pitiful sight - along with the slums on the outskirts of the city. They don't seem to have much of a safety net.

I loved Argentina and read recently at one time during the last century they were more prosperous than the US - that is before the socialists took over. However, there is socialism in Holland and the Scandinavian countries and for whatever reasons they seem able to handle it. Maybe because the people stayed industrious.

Wonder if we'll ever recover from our socialist POTUS?

5 posted on 03/17/2013 5:01:50 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If my human rights are being violated, who is doing the violating?


6 posted on 03/17/2013 5:01:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I found this.. “unjust economic structures that give rise to great inequalities.” disturbing.. I guess it’s all in the interpretation.


7 posted on 03/17/2013 5:02:14 PM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: Aria

You have to remember that socialists in Argentina are like the ones in this country, they HATE freedom and capitalism and want to stamp it out. Sure in some places they might have realized that they need capitalism to fund their socialism, but its rare


8 posted on 03/17/2013 5:06:28 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

Sure the Commie Manifesto makes a similar promise, but without the means, making it a cynical lie at best. It’s like promising to paint a house white, when all they have is black paint.

That’s not quite the case here. And even rugged individualists aren’t completely uncaring about “society” though differing with those of other political stripe about the means of addressing it.


9 posted on 03/17/2013 5:15:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: DivineMomentsOfTruth

And it’s true you’d expect such “global concern” from a church that has viewed its mission as bettering the world, not just saving sinners. And one could argue that becoming known for bettering the world would make one more attractive as a voice for the message of saving sinners. The devil is definitely in the details, and so can God be.


10 posted on 03/17/2013 5:18:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: SoFloFreeper

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11 posted on 03/17/2013 5:26:29 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: count-your-change

From their point of view... maybe it’s the devil.


12 posted on 03/17/2013 5:31:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: GeronL

Dinesh DeSouza was explaining zero’s world view at CPAC - very interesting. The gist of it seemed to be that zero, like his father, believes that all wealth is stolen by business owners from those whom they employ (if I got that right). So this is why the father zero never knew thought 100% tax rates were justified and why Obama wants to raise taxes because in his little brain “its fair”. Of course he also thinks it’s fair for him and lard ass to live like King Louie and Marie Antoinette.

It’s just bizarre that this guy got elected not once but TWICE! No wonder he thinks he’s chosen - he’s getting away with murder in plain sight.


13 posted on 03/17/2013 5:36:00 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Aria

The sheeple have been brainwashed and are uninformed about the real truth these days


14 posted on 03/17/2013 5:37:51 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Aria

—— It’s just bizarre that this guy got elected not once but TWICE! No wonder he thinks he’s chosen - he’s getting away with murder in plain sight. -——

None of this is hyperbole. It’s truly stunning.

The media has a lot to do with this, and the schools which work against the development of reasoning skills.

But at bottom, this is spiritual blindness.


15 posted on 03/17/2013 5:47:56 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Aria

The Americans and this wave of immigrants who came to be free, work and be sucessful (middle class) will decide the future of America.

Do they want to build a ghetto of “free stuff”, violent race tribes, barely surviving, enslaved and oppressed; bringing the whole nation down with them or do they want to do what the American-Americans did before them and be independent and free?

We’ll see. We should not even have to worry about it with the constitutional Republic and it’s individual rights construction, but with banksters, globalism, and the domestic terror war, the constitutional rule of law is pretty much dead now. American politicans are beginning to resemble the kind of corrupt people who rule in Africa and South America.

We should have a slogan in Spanish: “If it starts to look and feel like home in America, we’re doing something wrong!” ; )


16 posted on 03/17/2013 6:01:07 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
We should not even have to worry about it with the constitutional Republic

Well said. And you should have the ability to say it without being labeled an extremist.

17 posted on 03/17/2013 6:41:34 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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18 posted on 03/17/2013 6:42:16 PM PDT by narses
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To: GeronL

They sure do. Give the churches and the people an unfettered way and they will take care of the masses. 0bama is taking away the power of the people to take care of each other.


19 posted on 03/17/2013 7:28:04 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: SaraJohnson
The 17th Amendment destroyed our Constitutional Republic by destroying the balance the Founding Fathers created.

When the members of the US Senate are as beholden to or more beholden to national interests than to State Legislatures and subject to the a popular vote manipulated by the media every six years, there's no way around the US Senate becoming the forth branch government it's become; the Federal Advocacy Branch. That's the Branch not in the Constitution that exists to actively expand the power of the Executive Branch and resist all attempts to control the Executive Branch the House of Representatives may make.

JMHO

20 posted on 03/17/2013 11:54:40 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Aria

Its culture and a lack of a racially different underclass in Scandinavia

Let them keep importing African server class and see where that leads


21 posted on 03/18/2013 12:16:28 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: SoFloFreeper

In the 3rd World poverty is a direct result of government regulation limiting people’s ability to strive and succeed. Governments there have created classes of citizens as serfs and lords through laws.

How are things different here? Look at any urban area and you’ll see a devastating amount of regulation. The urban poor are entrepreneurs. That’s the natural state, but they have to operate in a black market created by onerous state regulations. These regulations serve only to sustain a leech class of crony capitalists.

Think about driving a cab. You cannot even own a cab without a medallion. By limiting the supply of medallions the cost of one has risen to hundreds of thousands of dollars and even millions. Everyone loses and there are thousands of lasws like that stopping people from living.


22 posted on 03/18/2013 4:10:26 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yet, he is arguing for the same type of “positive rights” that Obama believes our Constitution is flawed for not including.


23 posted on 03/18/2013 5:48:19 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: DivineMomentsOfTruth

You find it disturbing because you are looking at it through the lens of an American viewfinder.

Here in this country we had an entire continent to claim and for the average person claim, a government that protected the rights of the individual working man to own land, and an educational system that can or should be able to lift one out of poverty.

If you lived in a country where the elite owned almost all of the arable land, grew crops for export instead of feeding the poor, and had little chance of “getting ahead” through education, you would understand why marxism, liberation theology, and other such left-wing ideologies take hold.

In countries such as these, there’s no easy answer, but that doesn’t mean the pope doesn’t speak for the poor. It’s his JOB to speak for the poor.


24 posted on 03/18/2013 6:18:31 AM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: 9YearLurker
Yet, he is arguing for the same type of “positive rights” that Obama believes our Constitution is flawed for not including.

He's "arguing for" the Gospel.

From POPULORUM PROGRESSIO - Pope Paul VI:

"The Church, which has long experience in human affairs and has no desire to be involved in the political activities of any nation, "seeks but one goal: to carry forward the work of Christ under the lead of the befriending Spirit. And Christ entered this world to give witness to the truth; to save, not to judge; to serve, not to be served."

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"The Scale of Values - What are less than human conditions? The material poverty of those who lack the bare necessities of life, and the moral poverty of those who are crushed under the weight of their own self-love; oppressive political structures resulting from the abuse of ownership or the improper exercise of power, from the exploitation of the worker or unjust transactions."

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_26031967_populorum_en.html

25 posted on 03/18/2013 4:57:35 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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