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What, this? Kin say teen killed by cops owned no gun
New York Post ^ | March 11, 2013 | REUVEN FENTON and KIRSTAN CONLEY

Posted on 03/11/2013 9:32:26 AM PDT by presidio9

Edited on 03/11/2013 9:37:04 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Distraught relatives of a 16-year-old Brooklyn boy shot dead by cops claimed yesterday that the teenager didn’t own a gun and they’re “skeptical” about the cops’ version of how the incident went down.

“He got shot six times, and the police didn’t get shot once,” fumed great-aunt Brenda Nunez of the shooting of Kimani “Kiki” Gray of East Flatbush.


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1 posted on 03/11/2013 9:32:26 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Kin say teen killed by cops owned no gun

Of course he didn't own it, he probably stole it.

2 posted on 03/11/2013 9:33:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
In this particular case, you really need to read the (very short) excerpt. It is an impartial account by two NY reporters on the family members' suggestions for NYPD diffusing a gun situation:

"“If he did have a gun, I could say, ‘Yo, get rid of that, son. That’s not the right thing to have right now.’ ”

3 posted on 03/11/2013 9:37:20 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
“He got shot six times, and the police didn’t get shot once,” fumed great-aunt Brenda Nunez of the shooting of Kimani “Kiki” Gray of East Flatbush.

What's this, a new litmus test for justifiable homicide?

4 posted on 03/11/2013 9:38:54 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: presidio9

He was just starting to turn his life around, He loved his Grandma.

Kids like this will kill you quicker than an older man.

How many 16 yo gang kids take their guns home to show to their Momma’s. Of course she didn’t know he owned a gun.
It was probably a stolen gun.Since no one in New York can own a gun.

The gun laws work don’t they?


5 posted on 03/11/2013 9:41:48 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: presidio9
“If he did have a gun, I could say, ‘Yo, get rid of that, son. That’s not the right thing to have right now.’”

Best line I've read in weeks!

6 posted on 03/11/2013 9:43:41 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: dfwgator
Of course he didn't own it, he probably stole it.

He didn't own it because it was a probably a cops throw away weapon. Every cop I ever knew carried a through away weapon, maybe just a knife or small pistol, but turn the body over and drop it under the deadman and you now have self-defense and a justfiable shoot

8 posted on 03/11/2013 9:47:16 AM PDT by vikzilla
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To: presidio9
In other news...

ST. PETERSBURG (FOX 13) - A 43-year-old St. Petersburg man was shot by police Sunday night after he allegedly charged them while armed with a pair of scissors.

One more reason why you should not run with scissors.

9 posted on 03/11/2013 9:47:57 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: presidio9
“Police are supposed to be trained to disarm a child, or disarm anybody if they have a gun,” said one of Gray’s cousins, who did not give her name.

They DID disarm him.

The teen’s rap sheet includes four prior arrests, including charges of grand larceny, possession of stolen property and inciting a riot, sources said.

To which of course his gandma would say "He's a good boy, he wouldn't do that"

His father could not be reached for comment. (probably because we don't have a clue who he is)

10 posted on 03/11/2013 9:49:07 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: dfwgator

Let me guess. He was an aspiring rapper.


11 posted on 03/11/2013 9:51:01 AM PDT by SonnyBubba
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To: SonnyBubba

Become an expiring rapper.


12 posted on 03/11/2013 9:52:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: presidio9

This is a poorly written article. The cops say he pointed a gun at them. The family said he didn’t own a gun. Is anyone denying that he had a gun? Is there any real evidence? If he had a gun and pointed it at the cops, he should expect to be shot. If he was just adjusting his waistband and cops thought he was pulling a gun without seeing anything, they may have overreacted. This seems real simple to me — there was either a gun at the scene or there wasn’t. The story doesn’t say.


13 posted on 03/11/2013 9:57:48 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: vikzilla

“Throw down” guns are how cops avoid having to “testalie”.

It is an ethical thing, dontcha see?


14 posted on 03/11/2013 10:01:00 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: presidio9

Question: How was the kid to know they were undercover cops when they weren’t in uniform and driving an unmarked car? He could have thought they were drug guys or other gang members. Just saying.


15 posted on 03/11/2013 10:01:25 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: presidio9
Nothing has changed since 2007. If you wanted to avoid me using the FR software to excerpt your article, you could originally have excerpted it to 50%.
16 posted on 03/11/2013 10:01:30 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: presidio9
“He got shot six times, and the police didn’t get shot once,” fumed great-aunt Brenda Nunez

Sounds like it went just fine.....

17 posted on 03/11/2013 10:10:59 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: presidio9

I don’t own any guns either. I just let some live in my closet. Am I going to argue with a gun?


18 posted on 03/11/2013 10:23:44 AM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: GladesGuru

The idea of an urban youth with a gun is pretty far-fetched.


19 posted on 03/11/2013 10:26:57 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
This seems real simple to me — there was either a gun at the scene or there wasn’t. The story doesn’t say.

The caption below the picture of the gun says, “THE WEAPON: Police say Kimani “Kiki” Gray pulled this gun on them before cops killed him.” So yes, there was a gun at the scene.

20 posted on 03/11/2013 10:29:05 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: presidio9

“He got shot six times, and the police didn’t get shot once,”
______________________________________________

Yeah, not fair !!!


21 posted on 03/11/2013 10:31:28 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: N. Theknow

“One more reason why you should not run with scissors.”

ROTFLMAO (with no sharp objects)


22 posted on 03/11/2013 10:36:13 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: presidio9

Of course he didn’t “own” a gun. A 16 yo can’t own a gun in NYC.


23 posted on 03/11/2013 10:40:17 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: presidio9
I love how this type of story always seem to use pictures of the "teen" that were taken two to five years before the incident looking all cute... like this harmless little tyke...

Smiley face

24 posted on 03/11/2013 10:40:35 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: presidio9

Well, of course, the kin always know exactly what the teens in the family own and exactly what they’re doing at all times.


25 posted on 03/11/2013 10:50:47 AM PDT by Will88
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To: presidio9
The teen’s rap sheet includes four prior arrests, including charges of grand larceny, possession of stolen property and inciting a riot, sources said.
"He-was-just-beginning-to-turning-his-life-around" *BUMP*...
after his a next robbery...he coulda been another Albert Einstein...

26 posted on 03/11/2013 10:59:47 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: vikzilla

You’ve been watching too many grade B crime movies


27 posted on 03/11/2013 11:02:23 AM PDT by newbolt
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To: vikzilla

What was the last time you ever heard anyone refer to a .357 revolver as a small pistol?


28 posted on 03/11/2013 11:03:39 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: dfwgator
Of course he didn't own it,he probably stole it!"

"He's probably been stealingsince he could crawl". Given the right surroundings and encouragement, I'll bet that that man could run our website as well as LAZAMATAZ. "

29 posted on 03/11/2013 11:04:14 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Dear Congress Critter: Help create jobs and support RKBA by repealing 18 USC 922 (o).)
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To: vikzilla
Every cop I ever knew carried a through away weapon

Really? In Nebraska?

You've been watching too many movies dude.

30 posted on 03/11/2013 11:09:23 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Nothing has changed since 2007.

Looks like you got a promotion since then. So there's that. Congradulations.

31 posted on 03/11/2013 11:11:45 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: vikzilla

the cops call these throw-away weapons “ham sandwiches”.

i do loe somehow this is wrong in the family’s eyes because none of the cops got shot. i am not a great fan of cops but to say it’s wrong because a suspect gets shot but can’t wing any of the officers before being taken down, is an indictment of the public school system that spawned this family of vermin.

yeah i’m swingin’ at everyone today...


32 posted on 03/11/2013 11:30:21 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: dfwgator

Apparently, it’s quite common in certain groups to borrow a gun from a friend when you ‘need’ it, kinda like borrowing the neighbors saw.


33 posted on 03/11/2013 1:30:42 PM PDT by expat2
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To: N. Theknow

FYI...... Arlo Givens died from being stabbed with scissors.

I saw it


34 posted on 03/11/2013 1:33:30 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Yeah, not fair !!!

LOL, We should demand that there is an equal distribution of bullets.

35 posted on 03/11/2013 2:26:01 PM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: dfwgator

Good wit....


36 posted on 03/11/2013 6:52:30 PM PDT by Bravo six (Bravo six)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

They should have taught him to dance......the double tap.


37 posted on 03/11/2013 6:57:30 PM PDT by Bravo six (Bravo six)
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To: presidio9

You've been watching too many movies dude

Feel free to never question authority or its motives or tactics. What i wrote is the truth. yes i did live in NE for a lot of years. also, WI MN IA CO, CA rural and cities. iIt holds true everywhere. try asking a few.They'll probably refer to it as their back up. wink wink

Dude you've been watching to much "Andy Griffith" and "Dragnet" times have changed

38 posted on 03/12/2013 9:37:41 AM PDT by vikzilla
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To: GladesGuru

I have a BS in criminology but never really pursued a carrer in such because a hated the lying bastards i was in classes with. many, many cops, fulfilling requirements for advancement. Even 25 yrs ago, the atitude of us vs them made me sick. I did grow up with Andy and Barney. The “Protect and serve” on the side of the cars is just left over paint and decals they neeeded to use up. That philosophy has long been dead.


39 posted on 03/12/2013 9:44:30 AM PDT by vikzilla
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To: presidio9

Well as long as they got it done in 10 shots or under like the libs want the rest of us to do. Wait a minute they didn’t miss more than 4 times did they?


40 posted on 03/12/2013 10:13:13 AM PDT by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: vikzilla; Secret Agent Man; newbolt
Dude you've been watching to much "Andy Griffith" and "Dragnet" times have changed

Of course there are dishonest cops, just like there are dishonest doctors, politicans and Catholic priests. You made a common mistake when you chose to indict an entire profession with your "every cop I ever knew" observation.

I have cops in my family who have served in the Bronx and Brooklyn. My father was a member of the FBI. I can assure you none of these men carried a throw away weapon. And they did indeed choose a profession of personal sacrifice and threat because specifically because they wanted to serve the public. Questioning athority is fine. Talking out of your ass is not.

BTW, the papers are reporting today that Kimani 'Kiki' Gray was a member of the Bloods gang, and no one is denying that the gun was in his posession.

41 posted on 03/12/2013 4:49:00 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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i don’t say every cop does it. but it is a common practice and in some areas it is more normal than not.

and i have cops in the family too.

and don’t say they never lie. they back each other up on false or half-truths all the time. cops are given the benefit of the doubt they don’t lie and it’s abused.

the most glaring examples are caught on citizens’ videotapes when they don’t know they’re being recorded. or they think their dashcam is off.

to sit there and believe it hardly ever happens is just as dumb as saying they all do it. it’s a real problem and it varies by department, and generally the bigger the department the bigger the problem.


42 posted on 03/12/2013 5:15:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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