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Guns don't kill black people, other blacks do
Salon ^ | Aug 16, 1999 | David Horowitz

Posted on 02/04/2013 4:41:03 PM PST by grundle

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1 posted on 02/04/2013 4:41:07 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Maybe fathers stop breeding like goats?
There is a reason to swear an oath.


2 posted on 02/04/2013 4:47:02 PM PST by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: grundle

Ku Klux Klansmen don’t have to dirty their sheets anymore—Blacks have killed more than the KKK ever did. They are laughing their heads off as black people are destroying themselves in drug use, violence and intermarrying with other races—In the future there will be no American blacks left. A sad commentary on Martin Luther King’s dream.


3 posted on 02/04/2013 4:47:29 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: grundle

I’ll freely admit I stopped reading after the firs paragraph, seems that as I get older my tolerance for Bullshit gets lower.
Am I understanding him correctly? What I am taking away from this is “ Don’t sell guns to Black People because they will kill each other” Is he really saying that he doesn’t believe Black people can be responsible gun owners? I find that insulting and ludicrous!


4 posted on 02/04/2013 4:53:23 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: grundle

Funny, it’s always about the almighty $.


5 posted on 02/04/2013 4:54:23 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: grundle
"If blacks are oppressed in America, why isn’t there a black exodus? Why do all those black Haitians want to come here? To be oppressed?"

I chuckled a bit there.

6 posted on 02/04/2013 4:59:27 PM PST by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: grundle
Great old article (1999).

Hard to believe that Salon actually published a piece by David Horowitz.

Of course, as long as Blacks listen to leaders like Derrick Bell and his "Critical Race Theory" (of which Obama is an avid adherent), Whitey will always be blamed and responsibility (the embracing of which is the foundation of growth) will once again be smoothly (and with laser-like accuracy) be pointed toward Whitey and America.

The comforting thought about all this is that its specious reasoning will eventually explode in the faces of those who try, oh try, to believe it.

KA BOOM!

If you want a life...if you want to live...you must take responsibility for your actions.

Otherwise, you're just a quitter.

And quitting is a form of suicide. It may not be instantaneous...but it is just as deadly.

7 posted on 02/04/2013 5:01:43 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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It's worth noting that gun control laws were pretty much non-existent until after the Civil War, and that these laws were passed primarily to keep emancipated slaves from enjoying the same God-given rights as white Americans.

Don't tell anyone at the NAACP or anyone else still clinging to the "plantation" about that, though.

8 posted on 02/04/2013 5:02:55 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: grundle

They will use the courts against gun manufacturers and the NFL the same way they have used them against the tobacco industry. It will be a slow death. Glad I’m old enough I won’t be around to see it.


9 posted on 02/04/2013 5:03:25 PM PST by animal172 (The weak and uninformed will inherit the Earth.......and they have.)
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To: Mastador1

“I’ll freely admit I stopped reading after the firs paragraph, seems that as I get older my tolerance for Bullshit gets lower.
Am I understanding him correctly? What I am taking away from this is “ Don’t sell guns to Black People because they will kill each other” Is he really saying that he doesn’t believe Black people can be responsible gun owners? I find that insulting and ludicrous!”

Yeah, flat out, blatant racism isn’t the answer. Post like this give Freepers a bad name. When the libs say, “They’re racist!” and paste threads like this, it puts us back a bit....


10 posted on 02/04/2013 5:04:40 PM PST by Snark
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To: grundle

when African-Americans are outlawed, only outlaws will have African-Americans....


11 posted on 02/04/2013 5:16:50 PM PST by llevrok (Unlike Obama, at least Nero could play a fiddle.)
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To: Mastador1
What I am taking away from this is “ Don’t sell guns to Black People because they will kill each other” Is he really saying that he doesn’t believe Black people can be responsible gun owners? I find that insulting and ludicrous!

Actually, that seems to be the gist of what the NAACP is saying with their ridiculous law suit.

Mark

12 posted on 02/04/2013 5:17:15 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Snark

Let me put us back a bit more with some recent facts...

So I did a bit of math with the crime stats from the FBI (2010 UCR reporting) and some census data (again 2010).
So here’s the numbers, like them or not.

1) 50% of all murder victims in 2011 were African-American.
2) 52 % of all murderers in 2011 were African-American (if their race was known and a significant fraction was unknown).
3) The murder rate (not including manslaughter) in the US in 2011 (4.1 per 100K) is half what it was in 1992, and the rate has been falling since 1992, its not an all at once thing.
4) Given that African-Americans make up 14% of the US population and commit half of all murders, that implies…
a) The murder rate for non-African-Americans (86% of the US population) is something like half the national average (about 2.3/100K) – about the same as that of Finland.
b) The murder rate for African-Americans is about 15/100K - roundly the same as the murder rate in Mexico.
c) African-American men ages 13-39 are about 2.4% of the population of the US in 2011 and account for an estimated 40% of all murders.
5) About half of all murders in the US are committed with handguns (again, as of 2011).

Conclusion: Unless and until we control young urban Black males killing other young urban Black males we’re not going to significantly reduce murder rates in the US.

Opinion: Americans don’t believe giving up their fundamental right to armed self-defense is a price worth paying to stop street thugs engaged in the narcotics trade from killing each other at a high rate.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_SF2_QTP1&prodType=table
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_11_1YR_S0101&prodType=table


13 posted on 02/04/2013 5:20:26 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: grundle

As an aside, this article is one reason why I will forever despise Hitchens. He just HAD to earn his left wing credentials by parroting the BS racist statistics put out by the I-HATE-WHITEY-CROWD.


14 posted on 02/04/2013 5:24:25 PM PST by Amberdawn
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Kweisi Mfume, noted that gun violence takes a disproportionately high toll among young black males.

According to an NAACP press release, African-American males between the ages of 15 and 24 are almost five times more likely to be injured by firearms than are white males in the same age group. “Firearm homicide has been the leading cause of death among young African-American males for nearly 30 years,” it stated.

In the words of a certain black comedian, "Stop breaking the law!" Americans are so stupid, they can take absolute facts and figures and create a fictional fantasy with a straight face about companies that make machines that are highly regulated being evil. For the record, it's easier for underaged felons with multiple DUIs to buy liquor than it is for them to buy guns. And liquor kills far more than do guns.

15 posted on 02/04/2013 5:29:04 PM PST by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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Yeah, flat out, blatant racism isn’t the answer. Post like this give Freepers a bad name. When the libs say, “They’re racist!” and paste threads like this, it puts us back a bit....

I'm sorry. You two are going to have to give some concrete examples of where Horowitz is "racist" with this article. I see nothing racist at all about it.

16 posted on 02/04/2013 5:30:17 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: Amberdawn

Maybe the solution is to just lockup all black males from age 15 to 24.

Afteral, if it saves at least one life it will be worth it, right? As long as the president wants to walk all over the constitution, this may work better.


17 posted on 02/04/2013 5:31:04 PM PST by qwerty1234
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To: Amberdawn

Maybe the solution is to just lockup all black males from age 15 to 24.

Afteral, if it saves at least one life it will be worth it, right? As long as the president wants to walk all over the constitution, this may work better.


18 posted on 02/04/2013 5:31:29 PM PST by qwerty1234
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To: Snark; Mastador1
Yeah, flat out, blatant racism isn’t the answer. Post like this give Freepers a bad name. When the libs say, “They’re racist!” and paste threads like this, it puts us back a bit....

I didn't take it that way. Anything can and does get clicked and pasted out of context.

Mastador is simply pointing out the rediculous parody that this article produces. Drill down and just look at the facts that are presented. Then they point out that the statistics are different for whites. Then they blame the problem on gun manufactures and laws about who should be able to buy what guns. The NAACP, by their own logic and statistical presentation, should support a solution that makes the sale of firearms to blacks illegal. Their report here suggests that lives would be saved.

19 posted on 02/04/2013 5:45:05 PM PST by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: RKV

I’m not doubting your numbers. Actually, I am impressed with them. My issue is “control young urban black males”. How do we do that? Throw them in a gated area in California?

I guess in a sense, I am an elitist. My city has been voted one of the most dangerous cities in America. Yet, the majority of murders happen in an 8 square block area. It is drug dealer on drug dealer crimes. Even the police admit it and they keep it in that small area by protecting everything in the outskirts. Why? Maybe it’s a “thin the herd” mentality. I know one thing, I stay away from that area.

We’ve seen it all before. American Indians, American Cowboys, the Irish, Italians, and the list goes on throughout the decades. We’ve had our share of “Race specific killers”.

It’s when we post, “Guns don’t kill black people, other blacks do”, it comes off as a generalization. That can be dangerous. All black people aren’t out to kill.

It may have just been the title that threw me off. It puts us in a bad light....


20 posted on 02/04/2013 5:46:39 PM PST by Snark
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