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Register Ö or Rebel: How Many New Yorkers Will Defy The New Gun Law?
Pajamas Media ^ | 01/28/2013 | Bob Owens

Posted on 01/28/2013 9:55:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Already, there are signs that Governor Cuomo and his allies underestimated the pushback.

As draconian, ill-advised, and possibly unconstitutional as the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (NY SAFE) anti-gun law was when it was hastily signed into law, it might have been far worse — this according to a New York legislator who fought against the bill.

Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin has released documentation showing rejected Democratic proposals for the NY SAFE Act. They included these:

There were more.

Assemblyman McLaughlin explained the intent of his Democrat colleagues in Albany on his campaign site:

Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin (R, C, I-Melrose) today revealed a 15-point anti-Second Amendment wish list that Democrats lobbied to be included in the final New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (NY SAFE) Act. McLaughlin called the list the “second phase” of a gun-grab agenda targeting responsible firearm owners that downstate politicians have been supporting for years.

“First the new gun-control bill made criminals out of law-abiding New Yorkers. And the radical, anti-Second Amendment proposals outlined in this wish list suggest the second phase of the plan: confiscation,” said McLaughlin. “When downstate politicians criminalize responsible gun ownership, they only empower criminals.”

The rejected proposals seem to mirror — at least in part — the desires of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who had publicly entertained gun confiscation and forced buybacks.

The provisions of the NY SAFE Act that did become law still demand far more of New Yorkers than many gun owners are willing to comply with. For example, one of the requirements of the law is that all newly classified “assault weapons” must be registered with the New York State Police by April 15, 2014. Many New York guns owners are intent on refusing to register their firearms:

Assault-rifle [sic] owners statewide are organizing a mass boycott of Gov. Cuomo’s new law mandating they register their weapons, daring officials to “come and take it away,” The Post has learned.

Gun-range owners and gun-rights advocates are encouraging hundreds of thousands of owners to defy the law, saying it’d be the largest act of civil disobedience in state history.

“I’ve heard from hundreds of people that they’re prepared to defy the law, and that number will be magnified by the thousands, by the tens of thousands, when the registration deadline comes,” said Brian Olesen, president of the American Shooters Supply, one of the largest gun dealers in the state.

Officials estimate at least 1 million semiautomatic rifles are owned in the state, sources said.

And come April 15, 2014 — when Cuomo is expected to be running for re-election — they all have to be registered with the State Police.

But because the rifles have been legal but unregistered until now, authorities don’t know who has them or where they are located.

State officials will be nervously watching the registration figures to see how many gun owners comply, sources said.

New York has estimated that there are one million firearms that fit their new definition of an “assault weapon,” and they are concerned that a large number of citizens will rip the teeth out of the law by simply refusing to register their arms. Perhaps hundreds of thousands of New York’s most law-abiding citizens are likely to make the choice to rebel against an unconstitutional law that violates their Second Amendment rights.

Perhaps of even more concern to Governor Cuomo and his anti-gun allies: this high level of resistance arose before Assemblyman McLaughlin released the list of confiscatory amendments Democrats had wanted to include in the NY SAFE Act.

NY Democrats have tipped their hand on their gun-control agenda, revealing to citizens that confiscatory disarmament of the civilian population is their goal, and that the “slippery slope” is no fable. They grossly miscalculated the public’s acceptance of their assault on the Second Amendment. What that means for the future in New York remains to be seen.

Also see: Obama: Yeah, I Go Shooting ‘All The Time’



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1 posted on 01/28/2013 9:55:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Time will tell the tale.


2 posted on 01/28/2013 10:01:42 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: SeekAndFind
Okay, Bob. But's let's be BLUNTLY honest.

The NY bill simply could not have passed without votes and help from Republicans who actually controlled the NY Senate at the time.

3 posted on 01/28/2013 10:04:25 AM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a tough question for the Christian gun owner. Romans 13 and 1 Pet. 2 tell the believer to obey government.

How about in this case?


4 posted on 01/28/2013 10:06:39 AM PST by lurk
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To: Obadiah

there are no real republicans in the NYS senate..


5 posted on 01/28/2013 10:07:40 AM PST by wny
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To: wny

You maybe correct if it comes to this. They will be moving to Pennsylvania.


6 posted on 01/28/2013 10:10:52 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote
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To: SeekAndFind

You can bet your a$$ that buried somewhere in the actual legal language of the bill, or planned for implementation of the law in state agency rules will be a directive to certain business to turn over copies of certain Federal Forms they now hold. Those forms being the Forms 4473 the gun purchasers used when LEGALLY purchasing the guns in the first place. It is the only way they can find out who has what and enforce the confiscation.


7 posted on 01/28/2013 10:11:52 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

FUNY!


8 posted on 01/28/2013 10:11:52 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: lurk

As a Christian I am not called upon to obey laws that run counter to freedoms that were endowed to me by my Creator.

If I were a LEO or in the military and my government told me to fire on protesters, I would not comply.


9 posted on 01/28/2013 10:12:36 AM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: Obadiah
The NY bill simply could not have passed without votes and help from Vichy Republicans who actually controlled the NY Senate at the time.
Left out a word...
10 posted on 01/28/2013 10:13:26 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: SeekAndFind

“How Many New Yorkers Will Defy The New Gun Law?”

It isn’t safe for us to say, those who live here.
They’d single us out, separate us out, isolate us and make lone examples of us while releasing fictionalized press releases over it.
Yes, Cuomo and his henchmen are that paranoid.


11 posted on 01/28/2013 10:13:37 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: lurk
Romans 13 and 1 Pet. 2 tell the believer to obey government.

It's a real dilemma for inerrancy advocates, literalists and Sola Scriptura followers, isn't it.

12 posted on 01/28/2013 10:14:21 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture¬ô)
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To: steve86
I am an inerrancy adherent. I will not comply and I am completely comfortable before the Lord on this.
13 posted on 01/28/2013 10:22:20 AM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: lurk

“This is a tough question for the Christian gun owner. Romans 13 and 1 Pet. 2 tell the believer to obey government.”

Sure!
Worship this golden calf statue, or this golden effigy of Nebuchadnezzar as it goes by and you hear the flutes pipes and drums.
Embrace sin and evil because government told you to, after all you must obey the government, right?

Sorry, you’ll be hard pressed to find peole to bow to Molech with you out of obeyance.


14 posted on 01/28/2013 10:22:42 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: lurk

UM, no,they dont tell you that. When this country was founded certain legal documents defining the govts role etc were agreed upon by the govt and people. Fast forward to now that agreement is (and has been) broken by the govt. We’re in no way compelled to obey a govt thats overstepped its authority.


15 posted on 01/28/2013 10:22:50 AM PST by 556x45
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To: Gaffer

Good thinking but that’s already prohibited by Federal law-———————not that Cuomo and friends actually know what the rules really are. I mean, they already have trouble understanding that “-—shall not be infringed.” part.


16 posted on 01/28/2013 10:23:38 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: SeekAndFind

At the very least, people who object to this law can do everything they can to peacefully decline to enable the State to function. They can protest every property tax levy. If they can reduce or eliminate their sales tax levy, they should shop as much as possible online or where sales taxes will not go to New York state. The can defer every possible expenditure. In short, to stop sending money to Albany.


17 posted on 01/28/2013 10:25:44 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Gaffer

Im pretty sure the state cant, w/o a warrant, compel an FFL to produce any 4473s. If I were an FFL Id have already contacted by lawyer about this. In fact I think Id store my 4473 in a location not easily found that was secure.


18 posted on 01/28/2013 10:25:44 AM PST by 556x45
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope New Yorkers tell Albany go to hell, or minimally ignore the law completely.


19 posted on 01/28/2013 10:32:47 AM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sent this to the Atlanta Journal on 1/27/2013

In her recent column (”Cuomo shows how to get gun control laws passed”), Her Enlightened Royal Eliteness Maureen Dowd displays her customary abysmal distain for and understanding of the citizens. These are citizens who – despite the best efforts of Dowd and her progressive pals like Cuomo – STILL revere and grasp the significance of the Constitution. They understand that the Founders DID NOT leave us a Second Amendment to hunt. Judge Napolitano points out that the Second Amendment provides a means to shoot at an increasingly out-of-control tyrannical government such as that headed by the likes of Obama and Cuomo.

If these insulated Park Avenue elitists don’t stop pushing their agenda, there is a strong likelihood of a live fire reenactment of the April 19th, 1775 events in Lexington and Concord in our future.

If reports of resistance to firearm registration from NY are correct, Cuomo may have started it.

Dick Bachert


20 posted on 01/28/2013 10:34:38 AM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: SeekAndFind

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21 posted on 01/28/2013 10:37:43 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: lurk
This is a tough question for the Christian gun owner. Romans 13 and 1 Pet. 2 tell the believer to obey government.

The former is based upon a complete misreading of Paul's letter to the Romans. In the Roman enclave of the day, per the Treaty of the Maccabees, the leaders of the Jewish people, "appointed by G_d" were rabbis. They had their own laws, their own judges, and their own policing separate from Roman civil authority.

22 posted on 01/28/2013 10:39:58 AM PST by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: steve86

Not so much. We know from the Founders’ writings what they intended the 2nd Amendment for, and being the unorganized militia to oppose tyranny is a constitutional function. In other words, it’s obedient to our government.


23 posted on 01/28/2013 10:40:54 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: 556x45

Yes, it is a Federal Law that prohibits the government from doing so, unless they have a reason (like a gun used in a crime and a serial number where they can ask the mfr what shop got that gun and that they want to match with a name all backed up by an accompanying court order). BUT, these Democrats are TRICKY...they’ll get that damned info in any way necessary.

What, say, precludes them writing a law that causes the gunshop to transcribe some information from these forms?

You have to realize these are the same kinds of tyrannical zealots that existed in Germany in 1935, or in China today....those same people who are only doing it for the ‘children’ now are the same ones that have butchered millions in the womb. They are the same people that will stand at the back of your head with a pistol and blow your brains out and let you fall into a hole their bulldozers dug - all because ‘you just won’t see the light’. It’s just a matter of time.


24 posted on 01/28/2013 10:42:42 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: lurk

Welll, our Revolutionary ancestors were by a large firm Christians, but that did not deter them in rebelling an oppressive government. They were, after all, loyal subjects of the King at that time “When in the course of human events ...” and all that.


25 posted on 01/28/2013 10:54:15 AM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: Obadiah

Democrats and RINOS
GOD DENIERS AND CONGENITAL LIARS
ARE REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH INCITERS
FOR FIRST YOUR MONEY THEN YOUR GUNS
AND BE DEFENSELESS WHEN CROOKS COME

Short message excellent for signs and palmcards spread aound certain districts . Guaranteed to rattle the hell out those that pushed this insanity and maybe kicked out of office.


26 posted on 01/28/2013 11:02:22 AM PST by mosesdapoet (.Should this former Chicago "Mechanic" go out of retirement ?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Memo to self: 1) File Lawsuit, 2) Get injunction stopping enforcement, 3) Put case into appeals, 4) Throw the bums out of office while awaiting trials, and 5) Change law. In the event of a loss on all counts, move out of state or refuse to comply.

Nothing like an ill thought out law to make thousands of honest citizens felons while doing nothing to control the criminal population.


27 posted on 01/28/2013 11:05:45 AM PST by Boomer One
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To: lurk

A Christian question? There are many single passages that preachers like to pull out of their hats. Give them a new one.

Try Luke 22:36-38.
{22:36} Then said Jesus unto them, But now, he that
hath a purse, let him take [it,] and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
{22:37} For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the
transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
{22:38} And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords.
And he said unto them, It is enough.


28 posted on 01/28/2013 11:06:02 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Gaffer

Volkmer (sp?) Act says NO database of sales.

Nice class action lawsuit if they try to go after those forms....


29 posted on 01/28/2013 11:07:48 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: lurk
This is a tough question for the Christian gun owner. Romans 13 and 1 Pet. 2 tell the believer to obey government.

Yet the martyrs of imperial Rome were killed for refusing a government order ... to burn a pinch of incense to the emperor.

His Execrable Majesty Baracula will get no incense from me.

30 posted on 01/28/2013 11:11:36 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: WildHighlander57

Does the Volmer (sp) Act specifically say that STATES can’t create such a database?


31 posted on 01/28/2013 11:13:23 AM PST by Pecos (If more sane people carried guns, fewer crazies would get off a second shot.)
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To: WildHighlander57

When has Federal Law ever stopped the Obama administration and is ilk? Immigration, Bankruptcy law, Voting Laws...you name it, they’ve ignored it.


32 posted on 01/28/2013 11:14:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 556x45

Okay, how about this? NY decides somewhere in the language they are going to enforce a special tax on owners of certain type weapons. They pass (or likely have already passed) a law, rule, regulation that asks for the name, address and et ceteras on anyone who purchased so and so. No, they don’t want the serial number; they’re just looking for tax information! Don’t underestimate these people! That’s what happened to the Jews in Germany.


33 posted on 01/28/2013 11:17:31 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind
How Many New Yorkers Will Defy The New Gun Law?

Well, that's quite easy to answer...

Legally licensed and law abiding citizens may or may not defy the law. For arguments purposes, let's call it 50-50.

Not-licensed and non-law abiding people will ALL defy the law. Let's call this 100%.

So, to find out actual numbers, we need to know the ratio of law-abiding to outlaws. Based on the above, if that is 50-50 as well, then 25% will obey, and 75% (half law-abiding and ALL outlaws) will not obey.

34 posted on 01/28/2013 11:22:02 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: lurk

“This is a tough question for the Christian gun owner. Romans 13 and 1 Pet. 2 tell the believer to obey government.

How about in this case?”

The Bible does not command believers to do anything illegal or immoral. In my opinion the New York gun law is both of those things and believers are not obliged to obey an unjust law.

St. Augustine addresses this point in his famous comment: “An unjust law is no law at all.”

No one has an obligation to obey injustice. To the contrary, both Peter and John preached The Word after the Romans made Christianity illegal and I can think of no better example of Christians resisting injustice than this.


35 posted on 01/28/2013 11:23:02 AM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: lurk

“This is a tough question for the Christian gun owner. Romans 13 and 1 Pet. 2 tell the believer to obey government.”

No tough at all. U.S. is a constitutional republic. Tyrants and Emperors are in violation of the law.


36 posted on 01/28/2013 11:23:19 AM PST by Augustinian monk
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To: lurk

“This is a tough question for the Christian gun owner. Romans 13 and 1 Pet. 2 tell the believer to obey government.”

Not tough at all for me. U.S. is a constitutional republic. Tyrants and Emperors are in violation of the law.


37 posted on 01/28/2013 11:23:49 AM PST by Augustinian monk
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To: Oberon

Good point.


38 posted on 01/28/2013 11:26:05 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture¬ô)
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To: wny

The New York Republican party was one of the bodies I proposed BE REPLACED ~ we really can’t deal with these guys any more.


39 posted on 01/28/2013 11:27:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

Up here in God`s Country we got thousands of weapons brought home by our fathers and grandfathers after WW2 and Korea, `Nam-. We got BAR`s, CHICOM tommy burps from NK`s, AK47`s from `Nam- These SOB`s will face a formidible army of unregistered weapons. I got weapons I bought in 1950`s at the hardware store-as a 14 year old- it was legal in NY State then— never had to register anything then. These Cuomonistas SOB`s will get the unexpected return from my investment.


40 posted on 01/28/2013 11:27:54 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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To: lurk

The government itself is breaking the law by abridging citizens’ Second Amendment rights.


41 posted on 01/28/2013 11:28:08 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SeekAndFind

Up here in God`s Country we got thousands of weapons brought home by our fathers and grandfathers after WW2 and Korea, `Nam-. We got BAR`s, CHICOM tommy burps from NK`s, AK47`s from `Nam- These SOB`s will face a formidible army of unregistered weapons. I got weapons I bought in 1950`s at the hardware store-as a 14 year old- it was legal in NY State then— never had to register anything then. These Cuomonistas SOB`s will get the unexpected return from my investment.


42 posted on 01/28/2013 11:28:26 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Up here in God`s Country we got thousands of weapons brought home by our fathers and grandfathers after WW2 and Korea, `Nam-. We got BAR`s, CHICOM tommy burps from NK`s, AK47`s from `Nam- These SOB`s will face a formidible army of unregistered weapons. I got weapons I bought in 1950`s at the hardware store-as a 14 year old- it was legal in NY State then— never had to register anything then. These Cuomonistas SOB`s will get the unexpected return from my investment.


43 posted on 01/28/2013 11:28:26 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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RE: Up here in God`s Country

Where on earth is that?


44 posted on 01/28/2013 11:29:03 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Pecos

Yes, it tells the states that they can’t create a database either; see this snippet :

“No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.”


45 posted on 01/28/2013 11:30:42 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: steve86

No dilemma, the government itself is unlawful in abridging the Second Amendment rights of citizens.


46 posted on 01/28/2013 11:31:10 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: C210N

Cuomo himself was born into a class of Southern European criminals. That makes it somewhat difficult to decide who among them are legitimately government people who are there just for the loot.


47 posted on 01/28/2013 11:32:01 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: lurk

I know of three guys whose government told them that they had to bow down and worship a statue whenever they heard music.
They didn’t do it.


48 posted on 01/28/2013 11:32:50 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 556x45

4473’s are paper are they not?

Some incendiary devices could find their way into those filing cabinets, I’d say...


49 posted on 01/28/2013 11:33:52 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: steve86
It's a real dilemma for inerrancy advocates, literalists and Sola Scriptura followers, isn't it.

Not at all. Has Rome sent out its marching orders yet?

50 posted on 01/28/2013 11:35:45 AM PST by xone
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