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Gun ban said to include handguns, shotguns (Feinstein's 'The AWB of 2013')
UPI ^ | January 24, 2013 | n/a

Posted on 01/24/2013 2:18:37 AM PST by Ken H

WASHINGTON, Jan. 24 (UPI) -- A retooled U.S. assault-weapons ban to be introduced Thursday was to include handguns and shotguns in addition to rifles, The Washington Times reported.

The bill, by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., titled "The Assault Weapons Ban of 2013," was also expected to decrease the number of military-style features a gun may have before it's considered an assault weapon to one from two, the newspaper said.

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Feinstein's bill would also create a national gun registry for the government to track lawful gun owners, the Times said.

Magazines, or ammunition storage and feeding devices within or attached to a repeating firearm, would be limited to 10 rounds, the newspaper said.

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; awb; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/24/2013 2:18:48 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

FUBO


2 posted on 01/24/2013 2:21:35 AM PST by Spitzensparkin1 (Arrest and deport all illegal aliens. Americans demand those jobs back! Whooorah, Arizona!)
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To: Ken H

Not a chance.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 2:26:36 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: MestaMachine

The 2014 race involves roughly twenty Democratic Senators, and I would imagine that a dozen of them really don’t desire this to be brought to a vote because they can’t support it and hope to win in their state.

It’s zero percent chance of finding adequate votes in the Senate, and that’s the end of this fine piece of legislation that she spend hours and hours....cutting and pasting, to arrive at some product. Curiously, it’d be nice to know how many pages are inside of this...maybe 700 pages?


4 posted on 01/24/2013 2:29:51 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Ken H

DiFi and Boy Zero... Eff off, the both of you.

We will not submit.


5 posted on 01/24/2013 2:42:55 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: Ken H

Try it in California first, Mrs. Fineswine, and then get back to me.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 2:43:03 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: pepsionice
Yet, Boehner and McConnell will relent and offer instead, universal background checks for all exchanges. They'll say they had to. They'll say the Dems would have passed even worse. They'll say they had to give up something and universal checks isn't so bad. This is the Democrat plan all along. If they get universal checks, they've got it all.

Universal checks IS registration! And registration is just confiscation without the trumped up ‘emergency Executive Order’ confiscation action that will come when the next drugged out (Ritalin?) teenager offs his parents.

Democrats want it - I do NOT...not no, but HELL NO! NOTHING should be passed!

In any and all discourse with conservatives, RINOs, Democrats, liberals, progressives we should all be saying CONFISCATION whenever they say “well, universal checks might not be such a bad idea...” As far as I'm concerned, the two words are synonymous

7 posted on 01/24/2013 2:45:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Ken H
Magazines, or ammunition storage and feeding devices within or attached to a repeating firearm, would be limited to 10 rounds, the newspaper said.

No problem. All my 30 round AR magazines are necessary for holding 10 rounds of .458 SOCOM ammo.

I'll never use them for 5.56mm rounds.....pinkie promise.

/s

8 posted on 01/24/2013 2:47:24 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only a perenially uncontested shrew like Feinstein, who represents an imploding state like California could feel confident enough to try and pull this off. Fortunately there are other, more vulnerable dems who, though they have the same sentiment, don`t dare tread in that direction.


9 posted on 01/24/2013 2:48:19 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: Ken H

Let’s actually hope she includes handguns. With the wave of CCW legislation that’s come about since the last AWB, “I’m going to take your handguns too!” is going to go over like a lead balloon.


10 posted on 01/24/2013 2:54:41 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: pepsionice

You’ll have to pass it to find out what’s in it!


11 posted on 01/24/2013 3:08:30 AM PST by MDspinboyredux
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To: ScottinVA
Why is it? Why is it that those who steal guns, or happen to be in possession of one, who then go and kill movie goers and children in school have never been a conservative NRA member? The same seems to hold true for 99.9 % of all the killers involved in gang related shootings in Chicago. Then some one like a Mayor Bloomberg or Senator Feinstein along with the rest of their brethrens, all dyed in the wool liberals-socialist, come along and propose to disarm law abiding citizens. There appears to be something more sinister and dangerous than guns at work. It is the liberal mind set of those people that poses a greater threat to society then all guns combined in the hands of law abiding citizen. Give it some thought. There seems to be a common thread amongst all those killers, they either are registered democrats-socialist or are associated with them in some form or another. It clearly points to a warped mind or thinking. Ft Hood - Registered Democrat � Muslim Columbine - Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals Virginia Tech - Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff - Registered Democrat Colorado Theater - Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street t participant; progressive liberal Connecticut School Shooter - Registered Democrat; hated Christians Unabomber - Registered Democrat and inspired by Al Gore's Book Earth in the Balance Timothy McVey - Oklahoma City Bombing raised Democrat and pro-Union Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats. Instead of registering and banning firearms, probably a better solution would be to register and ban progressive liberal Democrats don't you think?
12 posted on 01/24/2013 3:18:53 AM PST by saintgermaine
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To: Ken H

One can be certain the ruling class exempted themselves from having to comply.


13 posted on 01/24/2013 3:19:31 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Gaffer
and long gun reistration is illegal.

Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA)-Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926(a):

No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

14 posted on 01/24/2013 3:27:17 AM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Ken H

15 posted on 01/24/2013 3:34:02 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

They will, and most people will turn them in.


16 posted on 01/24/2013 3:41:08 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: RC one

Since the Firearms Owners Protection Act is an act of Congress, another act of Congress can nullify it.


17 posted on 01/24/2013 3:41:50 AM PST by Ken H
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To: RC one

Any law may be amended by another new law. In fact, if you were to read how most legislation is written, it merely uses the previous law as a template and makes language changes.


18 posted on 01/24/2013 3:45:06 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Ken H
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19 posted on 01/24/2013 3:50:07 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Ken H
Be careful about putting too much faith in stopping these unconstitutional laws just because the votes aren't there to pass this legislation.

That may sound like a joke, but unfortunately it's not. Obama pushes the limit a little further each time he defies our Constitution. He makes intentionally provocative remarks to test his limits. He has already been allowed to cause so much damage there is legitimate concern he may not have a limit. There hasn't been any significant reason for him to stop so far.

He's backed by a huge propaganda machine, which has been a primary reason for our decades of fighting a losing battle against liberalism. Now we recently witnessed several leftist politicians and media propagandist openly call for ignoring the Constitution to advance their cause.

OATHKEEPERS.ORG

20 posted on 01/24/2013 3:50:18 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (www.OathKeepers.org/oath/)
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To: Ken H

FIRST YOUR MONEY THEN YOUR GUNS
ALL DEMOCRATS ARE
GOD DENIERS AND CONGENITAL LIARS
Conservatives and supporters of the 2nd amendment the Obama regime is using the 2nd amendment argument to blame gun owners for its inability to deal with the hundreds of gangland murders and shootings commited in areas under their solid control using illegally obtained firearms.

Obama’s solution to those inner city problems is to remove those rights provided by the constitution to have and bear arms from all US citizens.
None of those 23 so called “reforms” and unconstitutional efforts being edicted by who some call an emperor do not deal with the following issues briefly outlined below .

They won’t because instead of creating a uniformly democratic society where every citizen has an equal voice no matter what their race or ethnicity.

Obama’s policies have divided races and ethnic groups gerrymandering congressional districts where much of this criminal activity occurs. GOPES {goverment of the people (republican party) elites} see this issue as a 3rd rail because most of it is black on black or illegal vs illegal (Mexican) activity .

GOPES are also afraid to say that policy also increased racial tension which has resited in deaths. But again GOPES accept this because of the influence of mainline socialist media which would be accusing them of “racism” if they dare to question it.

The purpose of all this hype on guns is to keep the right and conservatives focused on what the Demo-Coms describe as issues through their propaganda arm known as the MSM (mainline socialist media) not on the problems created by the “Libs” on their road of good intentions or the socialist/fascists/communists successors to comtrol over todays Democrat party; Which is the cost ,waste, and corruption of his administration which had led to a 16 trillion dollar deficit.

Not one word will address or offer a solution about the hundreds of gangland murders and shootings using illegaly obtained mostly handguns and revolvers .Using code words like “assault rifles” which are really single shot per trigger pull semi automatic rifles, used for small game hunting or target practice. That are legal in every state but made to look like their military counterpart..Called AR’s since Viet Nam and a DOD decision ARs are really medium caliber (22.3) machine guns designed to wound not necessarilly kill which is why they are automatic and fire as many rounds that are in its magazine once the trigger is kept in the pulled position. .They replace quick kill 30 caliber semi automatic (single shot) M-1, Springfield rifles and carbines used during WWII and Korea and approved in most states for use in big game hunting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2977901/posts NY Post pix of shooter using handgun

Obama certainly can’t critique a system created by his ilk .Ignored in his 23 edicts is that when once caught, perps get set free with lenient sentencing from “liberal” judges or sob sister plea bargain prosecution (which Obama supports for when a Illinois state senator while introducing legislation to sentence any 15 year old as an adult, Obama voted “absent” with others on roll call ) promoted by the MSM,The New York Times CNN, NBC and,ABC. There’s certainly no criticism of “no snitch” mentality partcularly in areas where these shootings are rampant.

It would be nice at these rallys if conservatives and would point these facts out to Obamas adoring public.


21 posted on 01/24/2013 3:57:09 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Should the "mechanic" from Chicago come out of retirement ?)
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To: saintgermaine
Gun control isn't about ending violent crime, it's a waste of breath to argue it from that angle.

Without a steady supply of crisis the lefty libs would lose their excuses for gun bans and they aren't about to put themselves out of business.

"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over all the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around the table looking victorious".

22 posted on 01/24/2013 3:57:50 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Ken H; T-Bird45

Yes, it will require an act of congress. That’s the point. That law was part of a negotiation that occurred in 1986 between gun grabbers and patriots and it illustrates perfectly why negotiating with these fork tongued sons of bitches is not in our interest. Congress had better understand that we are not, in fact, interested in negotiating on this because we already negotiated on this in 1986.


23 posted on 01/24/2013 4:01:01 AM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: pepsionice

“It’s zero percent chance of finding adequate votes in the Senate. . .”

If Reid eliminates the filibuster he will need 50 votes to pass the bill. Biden as VP will break the tie in favor should a tie occur.

At least 30 votes are in the bag for any type of gun control. Another 20 of the remaining 70 are needed and all 70 are not rock solid pro 2nd Amendment supporters. It is not inconceivable that 20 men and women in the Senate can be identified who have a personal failing they do not want to be made public which can be exploited. Others can be bribed.

Think back to the passage of Obamacare. The people were overwhelmingly against the measure to the point where hundreds of thousands came to Washington to protest. Yet the bill passed. It was a pivotal moment in advancing the agenda of the left and they persevered. Disarming the population is also critical to the long term agenda of the left. They will do everything possible to pass as strong a bill as possible. If they get mandatory universal registration, they will know where the guns are located. Then with one more vote on the Supreme Court they can redefine the Second Amendment to allow guns to be confiscated.

Not only Democrat Senators will be under pressure to vote for the bill. Think about John McCain. If he was told never appearing on a Sunday morning news interview show would be his punishment for not supporting the bill, how do you think he would vote? The same could be asked about Lindsay Graham. Other Republican Senators planning to retire might trade a vote on gun control for a university president job or an appointment to a corporate board.

Expect every form of pressure possible to be used to get the 20 votes needed to pass. The Democrats know if they don’t win this time it will be at least two years before they have another chance to pass another gun control bill. Like healthcare, this is a must win for them.


24 posted on 01/24/2013 4:18:18 AM PST by Soul of the South
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To: who knows what evil?

Aragorn: Sons of Gondor! Of Rohan! My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXGUNvIFTQw


25 posted on 01/24/2013 4:19:21 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Ken H

When does banning Feinstein start?


26 posted on 01/24/2013 4:21:05 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

27 posted on 01/24/2013 4:22:31 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Ken H

28 posted on 01/24/2013 4:24:35 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: MestaMachine

John Roberts can be counted on to find that a “regulation” is not an “infringement”.


29 posted on 01/24/2013 4:26:41 AM PST by jpsb
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To: who knows what evil?
"What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, polkers, or whatever else was at hand?"

From:'The Gulag Archipelago' by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
30 posted on 01/24/2013 4:26:48 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

LOL! We could cripple the left by canceling cable, but we won’t even do that...taking the guns will be child’s play. Wish that weren’t the case, but...


31 posted on 01/24/2013 4:29:07 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: JoeProBono
Chop off all hands because you can make them look like a gun!

32 posted on 01/24/2013 4:29:59 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: saintgermaine
Why is it? Why is it that those who steal guns, or happen to be in possession of one, who then go and kill movie goers and children in school have never been a conservative NRA member?

It's long been a concern of mine that will happen some day. I firmly believe that conservatives, as a whole, are much healthier than liberals but even the strongest of conservatives are not immune from mental health problems.

Along the same lines, what hell would break loose some day if an armed teacher or guard accidentally shot a student in the line of fire while saving the lives of 20-30 other students? The left would be on that like stink on s***.

33 posted on 01/24/2013 4:31:58 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.)
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To: Spktyr

“I’m going to take your handguns too!”

“And your little dog too!”

What a shrew & a witch. Hateful old hag. And I’m not talking about the Wicked Witch of the West. Or maybe I am.


34 posted on 01/24/2013 4:35:09 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Kartographer

35 posted on 01/24/2013 4:39:55 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: RC one
Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA)-Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926(a):

And just when have government ever followed laws? There are no consequences to government employees who break the law.

36 posted on 01/24/2013 4:42:29 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Ken H

I have no intention of joining a National Gun Registration.

I suppose we will have to see if the Government is willing to arrest Millions of citizens and hold them in concentration camps.

I admit it has been done before by Hitler, but I cannot believe Americans will put up with it.


37 posted on 01/24/2013 4:46:57 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Gaffer

38 posted on 01/24/2013 5:37:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JoeProBono

39 posted on 01/24/2013 5:39:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

That chart’s definitely a keeper.


40 posted on 01/24/2013 5:45:11 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Ken H

Read Coulter’s rant this week


41 posted on 01/24/2013 5:49:58 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Ken H

Check out this gun shop owner. He was on Lou Dobbs last night.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/lou-dobbs-tonight/index.html#/v/2114806785001/gun-shop-owner-calls-for-boycott-of-groupon/?playlist_id=164630


42 posted on 01/24/2013 5:55:41 AM PST by jersey117
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To: pepsionice
Curiously, it’d be nice to know how many pages are inside of this...maybe 700 pages?

We have to pass bills in order to know what is in them.

Hadn't you heard?

43 posted on 01/24/2013 5:57:08 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: who knows what evil?
Who do you see enforcing confiscation in large areas around the nation that oppose it almost unanimously, including the local law enforcement?

OATHKEEPERS.ORG

44 posted on 01/24/2013 6:18:06 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (www.OathKeepers.org/oath/)
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To: Venturer
Thank your Drug War for helping to pave the way:

____________________________________________________________

U.S. BANS IMPORTS OF ASSAULT RIFLES IN SHIFT BY BUSH

March 15, 1989

The Bush Administration today banned imports of semiautomatic assault rifles indefinitely, pending a review of whether the military-style weapons are being used for sporting purposes.

The step, announced by William J. Bennett, the director of national drug policy, is effective immediately and was taken after officials learned that requests this year from importers to bring in the weapons had already nearly tripled those for all of 1988

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But White House officials said Mr. Bush, a life member of the National Rifle Association and an opponent of gun control, shifted his position after lobbying by Mr. Bennett, by drug officials and by his wife, Barbara, who had indicated she favored a ban.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/15/us/us-bans-imports-of-assault-rifles-in-shift-by-bush.html

____________________________________________________________

45 posted on 01/24/2013 6:20:38 AM PST by Ken H
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To: MestaMachine

We said the same thing about Obamacare and QE2/3/4....


46 posted on 01/24/2013 6:46:39 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Ken H

It has a barrel - that’s one.


47 posted on 01/24/2013 6:48:06 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Ken H

Bring it, you statist twat.


48 posted on 01/24/2013 6:51:07 AM PST by barefoot_hiker
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To: Ken H
Since the Firearms Owners Protection Act is an act of Congress, another act of Congress can nullify it.

You think there will be another Congress? Wonder Boy has already proved he doesn't need them and we don't need the Constitution. SCOTUS is and will be crickets on this.

49 posted on 01/24/2013 6:53:22 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: barefoot_hiker

Everyone keep in mind that this intentionally egregious, offensive bill is simply cover fire for the “compromise bill” that both parties want.


50 posted on 01/24/2013 6:53:52 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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