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Obama's 23 Executive Gun Control Actions (Here's the list for the high information voter)
Zero Hedge ^ | 01/16/2013 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 01/16/2013 10:46:25 AM PST by SeekAndFind

The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; executiveorder; fascism; guncontrol; gunexecutiveorders; hitler; marxism; obama; obamagunpresser; palin; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/16/2013 10:46:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Big Brother” is here.


2 posted on 01/16/2013 10:50:49 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: SeekAndFind

I like #4, it will disarm Eric Holder and most of the federal government.


3 posted on 01/16/2013 10:51:04 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SeekAndFind

Huh?

That’s It?

What a crock.

I predict the gun-control wackos are not going to be pleased.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 10:52:10 AM PST by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

Holder is now REALLY in trouble for what he done in Mehico!

5 posted on 01/16/2013 10:54:02 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I search for AR15 parts on the internet or talk about guns here in freeper will I fail the back round check?


6 posted on 01/16/2013 10:54:46 AM PST by woodenickel
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To: muffaletaman

I don’t see any assault weapons ban on the list.... WHEW!

But then, I live in NY, which recently passed its own ban so this list means nothing to me.


7 posted on 01/16/2013 10:54:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So, if the government can produce a gun law bill so quickly........why can’t they do the same with a budget? Is it because the budget isn’t “for the children”?


8 posted on 01/16/2013 10:55:41 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: muffaletaman; SeekAndFind
Huh?

That’s It?

What a crock.

That's my read, at least for now. I think that the extent of people arming up across the country got his panties in a wad. The only substantive thing his party will do is propose a renewal of an invigorated AWB, and when that doesn't pass he'll (drumroll)...blame the Republicans.

No ban on imported guns or ammo - he could've done that under GCA '68 (as unconstitutional as that POS is), and didn't...I wonder why?

9 posted on 01/16/2013 10:55:58 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: SeekAndFind

10 posted on 01/16/2013 10:57:29 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: SeekAndFind
That's a big climb down, for a guy who was floating bans and confiscations by EO.


11 posted on 01/16/2013 10:57:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

This site has the truth and lies about so-called assault weapons and tells the history of the narrative to change the definition. Surprisingly it comes from Stanford Law.
Somebody please activate this link.

http://www.assaultweapon.info

While gun prohibitionists portray the AR-15 as a paramilitary weapon owned only by a lunatic fringe, this so-called assault weapon is a modern musket—the default rifle with which law-abiding Americans exercise their right to keep and bear arms.


12 posted on 01/16/2013 10:58:27 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So he’s tossed the ball back to Congress. We’ll know what will happen if Boehner cries in the next day or two.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 10:58:52 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: C210N

My thoughts exactly when I read #9. Does that mean we will finally have accountability for the fast and furious scandal? When is Holder going to jail?


14 posted on 01/16/2013 11:01:26 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: SeekAndFind

WEAK.


15 posted on 01/16/2013 11:01:57 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

WTF?


16 posted on 01/16/2013 11:06:40 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: Ancesthntr
Huh?

That’s It?

What a crock.

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That's my read, at least for now. I think that the extent of people arming up across the country got his panties in a wad. The only substantive thing his party will do is propose a renewal of an invigorated AWB, and when that doesn't pass he'll (drumroll)...blame the Republicans.

No ban on imported guns or ammo - he could've done that under GCA '68 (as unconstitutional as that POS is), and didn't...I wonder why?

Yea that was sooo weird. I was sure we'd see an end to ALL imported ammo via E.O., and an E.O. to stop parts-kits and other imported arms.

What just happened? The Left blinked?
17 posted on 01/16/2013 11:07:11 AM PST by CaptSkip
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To: Travis McGee

While much is fluff, the trick here in some of them is finding new ways to disqualify people from owning firearms, via your doctor. Don’t think this isn’t going to be maximized, and don’t think doctors can’t make mistakes or err on the side of caution and your guns are taken without anything other than someone else’s opinion about you.


18 posted on 01/16/2013 11:10:17 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Barry Benghazi needs to add another one.

24. No American citizen will be required to trust a government that does not trust its citizens.

19 posted on 01/16/2013 11:13:53 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (HealthCare IS NOT a right. The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is.)
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16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

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O’F**Kwad is a LIAR ~

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P 766 of 906 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf
‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness
and health promotion activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any
information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed
firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property
of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition by an individual.
‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection
and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of
the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made
by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used
to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of
a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR
ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not
be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied,
and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in
a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under
any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance
with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance
upon—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR
INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized under
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition.’’.
(f) Section 2718 of the Public Health Service Act, as added
by section 1001(5), is amended to read as follows:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2973699/posts


20 posted on 01/16/2013 11:14:21 AM PST by simplesimon (NEVER forget Benghazi ~!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!”

I spotted a bunch of extremely bad things in there, that were followups to gun control dirty tricks of the last 20 years. By the numbers:

1) Require federal agencies to use their numerous citizen databases to compile a *raw* national citizen dossier. Even the FBI’s *raw* files are farcical, containing rumors, speculation, and any number of lies. They would never use their raw files for any purpose, until the data had been verified. Other federal agencies have no such limitations.

2) “Oh, sure, there are *privacy protections* in HIPPA to protect citizens from government snooping at multiple levels.” Guess what? Your medical records are now public domain.

4) “Dangerous people who should not have guns including gun owners, veterans, and most especially Tea Party members.”

6) Why tell licensed dealers how to conduct background checks on peoples’ private gun sales, of which the dealer has no part? This assumes it will now be illegal to privately sell guns without a background check by a licensed dealer.

14) The CDC already created a ludicrous report about how good gun control would be, which was shot down by a previous congress, telling them to keep their political opinions to themselves. The CDC, realizing where the wind was blowing did another study that showed gun control laws were ineffective. Obama wants to change them back to being anti-gun.

16) The American Pediatric Association demanded that pediatricians in Florida ask parents about guns in their homes. If they refused, the pediatrician could refuse them service. If they said they had guns, it would be noted in their child’s medical record. See #2 above, allowing the government to examine anyone’s medical records. Florida passed a law saying that pediatricians couldn’t do this, but it was overturned by a judge.


21 posted on 01/16/2013 11:14:51 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
. . . require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations [ignore this requirement if trace leads to the Obama/Holder Department of Just Us and Our People].
22 posted on 01/16/2013 11:15:03 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Vanity of vanities. Does anyone think it’s time for a million man gun march on DC? Not to overthrow or do violence, but to really show DC we are tired of the progressive views that are destroying our great country. Maybe that would instill the fear of God in our illustrious representatives, I don’t know. The second amendment is not for hunting rights but was written to prevent the tyranny that seems to be rapidly forced down our throats. I agree with Glenn Beck...it has to be done as Ghandi or as Jesus....a quiet show of force. No malicious intent, no shooting up the place since that would bring derision from the left.

I don’t know if our reps would even listen...I’m sure most would all leave town on the day of the march. Hard to say if it would make a difference, one could only hope.


23 posted on 01/16/2013 11:15:32 AM PST by gmd777 (Thinking Out Loud)
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To: CaptSkip

No.

For instance, let’s say I’m your doc, and I say to you, “Hey, I went target shooting this weekend. Did pretty good, blah blah blah, so whaddaya think of that Obama’s EO doing __________?” and then you reply, “F*****g Obama! The man’s a dictator out to destroy the USA!” and I’m like, “Yeah, ain’t that the truth” and then I mark you down as a paranoid personality likely to cause harm to yourself and others.

And that’s that.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 11:16:15 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: CaptSkip
I think for all the bluster, Obama doesn't want to be impeached, even if it'll die in the Senate. The actual impeachment (like clinton) only takes the House.

He can spin it any way he wants as the left and the media (I repeat myself) did for Clinton, but the history would show that the first black president was impeached. He won't have that.

He'll wait until he's sure that the House will cave on it.

25 posted on 01/16/2013 11:18:04 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: muffaletaman

This probably wasn’t plan A. He probably chickened out like the coward he is.


26 posted on 01/16/2013 11:18:37 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: woodenickel
"If I search for AR15 parts on the internet or talk about guns here in freeper will I fail the back round check?"

Now you did it. Too late. You are finished.

27 posted on 01/16/2013 11:18:44 AM PST by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ------ The New Gold)
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Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. except as regards birth certificates . . . .
28 posted on 01/16/2013 11:20:18 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Huskrrrr

Outside of the intrusive information sharing amongst government agencies and establishing this meaningless commission or that effort, it’s pretty impotent with respect
to actually banning anything. His EO powers, while powerful in some respects for rules, regs, guidelines his agencies have to follow, they REQUIRE some basis in established law to be completely restrictive.

He is gonna have to get Congress to enact the rest, and this is what’s gonna be my litmus test for my Congressman - he votes against anything Obama wants on this or I swear I’ll buy (along with likeminded constituents) his seat for his opponent in 2014, if I have to.


29 posted on 01/16/2013 11:20:39 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

5 of the 23 are directly associated with Obamacare. That is 22% ! But, Obamacare would NEVER be used to push a political agenda....right.....


30 posted on 01/16/2013 11:20:39 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: muffaletaman

—Huh?

That’s It?

What a crock.

I predict the gun-control wackos are not going to be pleased.—

I thought the same thing on initial read. I guess we shall read. It could have been much worse.


31 posted on 01/16/2013 11:20:50 AM PST by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: muffaletaman; xzins
I predict the gun-control wackos are not going to be pleased.

I am quite shocked at how milquetoast the "Executive orders" are. Technically they are merely directives and not orders at all. I'm wondering if he wasn't scared off by the possible negative impact of some actual gun grabbing order.

This was all Kabuki Theater with the Children as props. "Look what I'm doing for the Children" and when you look at it closely, he didn't do anything.

The good thing is that this is all smoke and mirrors. The bad thing is that this was all smoke and mirrors.

He's going after our guns one way or the other. Tyrants can't operate where the citizenry is armed. If he is going to destroy this country he will need to take the weapons out of the hands of patriots. That is his goal.

32 posted on 01/16/2013 11:21:23 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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This looks like France in 1940 when they ask french people to denounce the jews to help the german army and show the german where the jews family live so they would not be so hard on us..they did.

Posted at Hotair:

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”

–Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler [Publ. Houghton Miflin, 1943, Page 403]


FROM FR on another thread:

Citizen Informants:

In 1930's Germany, the new socialist government of Adolf Hitler (NAZI National Socialist Workers' Party) began indoctrinating children in the quasi-military organization, the Hitler Youth, to inform on their parents should they overhear discussions subversive to the policies of the Leader.

As the noose was tightened, local community organizers were appointed to watch their neighbors and were told to report subversive comments to the bureaucrats above them. Neighbors informed on neighbors, some for reasons of patriotism or loyalty, some from fear. A modern inquisition ensued; a terror to free thought and expression.

Increasingly harsh penalties were meted out to those who dared to dissent.

33 posted on 01/16/2013 11:21:59 AM PST by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Depending on where you live.....#5 is the scariest.....because in Gun Control Nazi states and cities....the police will create every excuse to not give back your gun

Also....will the PhonyCons in the GOP and GOP Media have the testis and ovaries to actually counter and his gun seizure....or will they go spineless like they did on Obama Eligibility?


34 posted on 01/16/2013 11:22:12 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: SeekAndFind
11. Nominate an ATF director.

Uhhhm, just trying to fill space, Obama??? I don't think you need to use executive order power to nominate an ATF director, I'm pretty sure as President you have the authority to submit a nomination to the Senate.

35 posted on 01/16/2013 11:24:16 AM PST by apillar
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To: SeekAndFind
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36 posted on 01/16/2013 11:24:34 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: SeekAndFind

Bureaucratic masturbation.....

Something to look good in the media


37 posted on 01/16/2013 11:24:58 AM PST by njslim (St)
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To: SeekAndFind

And for all this hoot ‘n holler, this pansy list is all El Bozo could come up with?Guess Dingy Harry told him an assault weapons ban had no chance of passing the Senate.

And with the tens of millions of dollars in gun sales in the last month, spending on regular stuff will be way down in the next retail sales reports. There are unintended consequences for everything the stupid Democrats do.


38 posted on 01/16/2013 11:26:20 AM PST by txrefugee
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3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

People.. These are just bullet (lol) points of what the EO's are about. Dont be so quick to say "oh thats it?" or the like. For example, the above EO can mean (in the meat of the EO) that these "incentives" are spelled out as registry or whatnot.

Just sayin... We need to see the whole.

39 posted on 01/16/2013 11:27:41 AM PST by CygnusXI (Im back!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“Your medical records are now public domain.”

I agree! Now, remember that Roe v Wade was a decision respecting the establishment of “privacy” between a doctor and patient. With Obamacare, and now re-affirmed with an EO, Obama has overturned the “privacy” between a patient and doctor that was established in Roe!

Obama, and his leftard enablers, have done exactly what they accused Romney of desiring!

Yes, they are idiots and morons, but I say we use their accomplishments to our advantage, “if it saves just one child” it is worth outlawing abortion!


40 posted on 01/16/2013 11:28:21 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obammy got skeerd?


41 posted on 01/16/2013 11:30:30 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: SeekAndFind

Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

ie...more of your private info is open to anyone who want to see it.

EFF these people....


42 posted on 01/16/2013 11:30:57 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

I love this. I think you better choose your doctor carefully. Who wants to get involved in this.


43 posted on 01/16/2013 11:32:47 AM PST by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: simplesimon

How so?

I didn’t see anything there that would keep a doctor from asking.

They can ask, but you don’t have to answer and they can’t collect and store data from the answers.

Did I miss something? I know a lot of people won’t hide info from there doctors, but then a lot of folks won’t tell them things they need to know.


44 posted on 01/16/2013 11:35:29 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: SeekAndFind
1) It's a whole lot of blather and drivel ... a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

2) Bam-Bam is scared shitless.

45 posted on 01/16/2013 11:38:01 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Huskrrrr

The heavy fist of government!


46 posted on 01/16/2013 11:38:07 AM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (Get in touch with your galtitude!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Everyone who has ever taken a prescribed medication for ANY mental health issue will be barred from gun ownership. I am aghast! Anyone got a Valium?


47 posted on 01/16/2013 11:39:44 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

So don’t say that.

It ain’t rocket science...just ‘cause they ask doesn’t mean you have to bare your soul. Situation depending its ‘none of your business” or “no”.

I am sorry they have cynically chosen to make MY Dr. the point of THEIR spear...but I recognize him as an adversary, not a “friend”. ALL of them are.


48 posted on 01/16/2013 11:40:39 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act,”

Some retirement homes don’t have birthday parties so as to not reveal private birthdate.

“14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.”

It ain’t science, you heathen devil, it is lack of GOD.

“17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. “

How about state laws that might???

“18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. “

What is a school resource officer??

“19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. “

Announcing the next gun free zones. How dare you utter ‘house of worship’ from your flapping purple lips?

I am not worked up yet.


49 posted on 01/16/2013 11:41:28 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Any focus on taking guns from the mentally ill could be problematic.

Doctor: you own a gun?
Citizen: yea
Doctor: you’re nuts. no gun for you


50 posted on 01/16/2013 11:42:09 AM PST by lurk
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