Skip to comments.St. Louis County police warn of new drug in area: 'N-Bomb'
Posted on 01/08/2013 12:37:07 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
Police here are warning of a new hallucinogenic drug authorities say has begun circulating the St. Louis area.
St. Louis County police say the synthetic drug known as "N-Bomb" has been linked to deaths in other parts of the country including California, Louisiana, Minnesota, North Dakota and Virginia.
The drug, sometimes also called "Smiles" is known as N-Bomb for its chemical compositions, 2C-1-NBOMe or 251NBOMe, and can be extremely potent and dangerous, police say.
Police say the liquid drug is often called "legal acid" and is derived from mescaline. Users typically take the drug by ingesting blotter paper soaked with the liquid, similar to LSD.
Officer Randy Vaughn of the St. Louis County police said county's undercover drug officers have reported purchasing the drug recently.
According to media reports, the drug was banned in Virginia last year and later outlawed in Louisiana after a 21-year-old man died at a New Orleans music festival in November. The man apparently took N-Bomb from a stranger, began convulsing and died a short time later.
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There’s plenty to indicate all those folks were pretty honked up to start with. Syd especially.
Driving while intoxicated dramatically increases your chances of getting into an accident, most car accidents are not single vehicle accidents, which means you are doing things to other people. Also remember there’s the whole “driving is a privilege” thing which allows them to put rules on the use of their roads.
I was thinking the same thing. I remember a documentary on Pink Floyd and they all agree Syd came back one weekend never the same from a bad trip.
“...not even possible to OD on it>>>”
Yeah, but what a ride!
You stated previously that, " laws against drug use are laws against you doing things to yourself", didn't you?
DUI means driving under the influence.
Read outside your creative editing. Already answered, you’re still wrong.
Right, alcohol is bad, caffeine is bad, the Sun... all bad. But LSD is not bad?
You say legalizing “good drugs” will stop people from “bad drugs” but having legalized alcohol in and of itself has not stopped the druggies.
I think the best way to work towards your goal of not having people use drugs, is to draw your line at alcohol and better educate young people of you posted in this very thread about drugs.
I must disagree. I know 3 people who have been messed up by LSD. The first was my brother. He took some and had serious memory problems for years.
Another was a musician I know. A group he was touring with thought it would be cute to spike his drink with LSD. Well, aside from falling backwards off the stage, his brain has never worked the same since. If he weren't married, he would be on the streets. He can't balance a checkbook, or pay a bill or follow logic for very long. He can still play his brains out though, so at least he can earn a living.
The third is my good friend's son. His friends spiked his drink and it triggered a schizophrenic break which he has been working many years to overcome. If he didn't live with his mom, he too would be on the streets.
Oh, and none of these three is a long term user, and neither do they take other drugs. I have spent over 40 years in the music business and cannot tell you how many people I have seen ruin their lives with illegal drugs. No, I am not a user. I hardly even drink wine.
In my circle of acquaintances I’ve come to the conclusion that the percentage of well armed and constitutionally knowledgeable libertarians is higher than that of republicans.
Denigrate them all you wish, but when the time comes I’d rather they have my back than panty-waist, social issue RINOs.
You’ve moved past possible reading comprehension problems all the way to repeated LIAR.
I didn’t say any of those things. We’re done, I don’t truck with LIARS.
The plural of anecdote isn’t fact. Meanwhile nobody, not even the government trying to ban it, has found any side effects.
Stop spinning and answer the question if you dare.
Bon Mot of the Day !
Dude, I was just trying to steer you towards the inkling of a reasonable thought you had. It’s not my fault you deteriorated your mental capacity to that of an iguana.
“LSD is physiologically well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting effects on brain and other parts of the human organism”
Foolish. My best friend from college days got deep into acid; He’d trip for 3 days at a time, on and off again for a period of couple of years.
His ability to rationalize diminished, his attention span shrank, and it got to the point where he became too weird to be around.
30 years later I still can’t carry on an intellectual conversation with him.
2nd case, another college friend inherited a farm in the mountains, a pile of cash from his grandfather and immediately dropped out of school and started following the Grateful Dead around. He got so baked that when we all caught back up 5 years later he didn’t recognize me or 1/2 the others who used to hang out with him daily over a two year period.
Your original post stated there was “no evidence”. And you also stated “NOBODY has found any side effects.”
I am not “nobody” I am somebody, and I have evidence. While mine is, yes, anecdotal, even though first hand experience and not “a friend of a friend”, it is evidence contrary to your opinion. It is factual enough for me.
Your problem is you wouldn’t accept a fact that countered your dearly held belief. So, thanks for the chat. We’re done here.
Nobody has found side effects. You know people that seemed to change after doing the drug. Maybe they had issues before hand, maybe other things were going on collinear to that, maybe they’re just the bad luck kids with just the wrong genetic makeup.
I accept FACTS just fine. But like I said, the plural of anecdote isn’t fact. You have anecdotes. Facts are the reams of studies that say no it doesn’t have long term effects.
I DID answer the question. You ignored the answer.
Again the plural of anecdote isn’t fact. What else was he doing in that 3 day period? Or the period of years? Other drugs? Booze? Sleep deprivation (which has been shown to do a lot of damage)? Maybe he just had issues and nobody had spotted them yet.
Dude at least a dozen times you said I said things I didn’t. That’s not steering, that’s LYING. Any deteriorated mental capacity in this discussion is shown by the guy that has to make up content for the other one.
Prohibition causes more harm than good
Alaska Wolf said: Would rape, robbery, burglary and murder stop if we rescinded the laws against them?
One of the dumbest questions ever posted on FR Alaska Wolf. You are totally ignoring the effect repealing prohibition had on organized crime. Took them a long time to over come that one, until the found illegal drugs to replace the alcohol they were bootlegging.
Prohibition also caused more alcoholism than before the law was passed and many, many deaths from poison booze.
Trying to compare rape, robbery and burglary to outlawing drugs is simply stupid and on the lines of an argument the left would use about gun control.
Outlawing drugs only accomplishes a few things. One: low level dealers get caught, the main guys don't. Two: Many in the government get a kickback from drug dealers. Three:Gangs are given money by which they buy weapons and equipment used in killing other gang members and lots of innocent victims. Four: honest law abiding citizens and legal residents lose their freedom due to over restrictive laws. Confiscation of a person's home and other property on a pretext is just one of them. Not being able to carry your own cash around is another handcuff on the every day citizen.
The only reason you and others have for banning drugs is purely moralistic. Either your brain is rotted or you simply won't admit the truth to yourself. If you are against gun control laws and see that they fail to work, how can you even begin to support the idiotic drug laws of this country and the freedom sapping war on drugs?
There are no dumb questions.
Trying to compare rape, robbery and burglary to outlawing drugs is simply stupid.
Hmmmm....who was making a comparison? Are you on something or in your natural state?
The only reason you and others have for banning drugs
You are showing the effects of drug use, aren't you?
I’ll make it easy for you; a simple yes or no answer. Does the use of mind altering substances always only effect those who use them?
That was quite an effort on your part, since you are so ignorant that you did not recognize the truth of my post, you grunted out a “you’re stupid” crack, brilliant.
They are different issues. Prohibition of harm to another, is very different than prohibition of possession and ownership of a thing for an individual. Do you have the intelligence to understand that?
For example, John Lott has conclusively proved that prohibiting firearms ownership increases firearms crime and other violent crime, all over the world. In this case, prohibition has an opposite effect of what's intended.
LOL, no, new drugs don’t come from that, and they won’t in the future.
But drug legalization is about all drugs, current and future, and libertarianism is about unlimited marketing and advertising of them.
In my experience in Southern California and Texas, conservatives beat libertarians all the way around, including guns and military experience.
I can take you to a liberal cocktail party and introduce you to many libertarians, but not many conservatives.
Sodom and Gomorrah had plenty of lefties and libertarians, but they were sure short on conservatives.
Your debating skills are impressive. "You're stupid." Brilliant retort!
Looks like all the dopers and druggies on FR have crawled out from under their rocks. You know what they say; never get between a libertarian and his hookers and blow. Do you know how to create a libertarian? Just take a conservative and remove all common sense.
LSD isnt a dangerous drug, short or long term. Theres a lot of hype from the drug warriors on it, but it is 100% lies. Its not even possible to OD on it, thats how not dangerous it is.
However - I can’t help but wonder if this Apex NC death - attributed up till now to LSD - could be this N-Bomb drug?
Either way - the point is you take street drugs made by who knows who of who knows what composition and who knows what potency - bad things can happen.
Maybe we should try a war on drugs. Seriously, that hasn’t been tried, yet. Open recruiting offices. Make laws more strict. Open season.
I know that. Are you attempting to infer that drug prohibition increases drug crime and other violent crimes all over the world?
Give me something to retort. The post I responded to was the intellectual equivalent of a grunt.
Now you are just being silly, Alaska Wolf. We have DUI laws so that people under the influence of alcohol won’t try to drive a vehicle.
Should we outlaw alcohol?
How do you debate a fart.
Something weird is going on inside you, and I don’t think that I am the only one here wondering what is going on in your head.
Had an aunt in Wisconsin named Marcella that could
drink about anyone under the table..great lady she was
Just wondering where this new drug is coming from
bet its Mexico
DUI is driving under the influence, which includes influence of drugs.
Should we outlaw alcohol?
Whatever floats your boat. It's your time and money.
LOL, just the drug you approve of?
Alcohol is a drug, often a very destructive drug.
Surely you aren't that much of a hypocrite.
It’s called “thinking”. If you ever decide to try it I suggest start slowly. Wouldn’t want you to get a headache.
“Had an aunt in Wisconsin named Marcella that could
drink about anyone under the table..great lady she was”
Darn, she must have gotten my share of drinking ability as well as her own. My husband used to say he could have saved a lot of money if he had met me when he was young.
The clock is ticking until Obama appoints an “N-Czar”...
People better be careful to pronounce it correctly.
You know that freerepublic discourages personalizing things, but so far, you keep posting child like insults at me, for no evident reason, and with no explanation.
It sure isn’t related to the thread.
Meanwhile, the original argument was that prohibition of any drug never works. People who want it will get it.
People who don't want it, won't buy it. Period.
It’s related to your insulting and provocative post. You set the rules pal.
From day one on FR the drug warrior argument has rarely risen above that level.