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We're now one step closer to America's coming civil war
FoxNews.com ^ | 12/3/2012 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 01/04/2013 9:35:28 AM PST by RoosterRedux

The New Year has started with a monstrosity of a budget deal, one that proves that neither political party, Democrats or Republicans, is really serious about controlling the growth of big government.

But soap opera dramatics about fiscal "cliffs" and sequestration shouldn’t deflect from where President Obama is really taking this country. Consider this story from the Wall Street Journal a few days before Christmas:

“Thousands of people in several Argentine cities ransacked supermarkets for a second day in the latest challenge to President Chistina Kirchner, who is struggling to revive a weak economy...In the central city Rosario, two people were killed during the incidents and 137 people arrested.

“The violence puts Mrs. Kirchner in a difficult position as the poor are [her] core constituents...Her government spends billions of dollars a year to help low income families, including free health care...[Yet] Argentine activists who claim to represent the poor traditionally block access to supermarkets in the month of December to demand free food and other items...The latest events were some of the worst acts of looting and vandalism in years.... Local media showed dozens of men, women, and children hauling away televisions, refrigerators, and food.”

Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated. It’s true that Argentina’s politicians have been waging class warfare since Juan and Eva Peron–and they aren’t fazed when it turns bloody. Obama and the Democrats are relative newcomers to the game. But Argentina reveals who really suffers when those who create a nation’s wealth get mugged by those who spend it–as just happened this week in Washington.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
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To: stuartcr
But that’s how wars, especially civil wars, work...

Surely you jest.

Soros will be exempt.

Obama will be exempt.

Pelosi will be exempt.

Reid will be exempt.

Need I continue?

51 posted on 01/04/2013 11:49:53 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: laxcoach
The only thing we can hope for is that the states get hit so hard by the Feds that they call a constitutional convention or ratify ammendments.

IMHO a constitutional convention is the last thing we would want.

For one example - Do you think something like the 2nd ammendment would survive a rewrite of the constitution when we have an electorate dumb enough to elect Obama twice? When we have federal, state and local governments rushing to use the reaction to the recent school shooting to pass more gun control laws?

Imagine what a new constitution written and approved by our current moocher, politically correct culture would look like,


52 posted on 01/04/2013 11:50:13 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America !!!!)
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To: laxcoach

Oh no, no constitutional convention, no sir. Not with the current make-up of the country and states. A new Constitution would read like a thousand-page-long transcript of Occupy Wall Street protest speeches and would completely and perfectly invert “rights” and “wants” just for starters.


53 posted on 01/04/2013 11:56:04 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Gen.Blather

You might want to look at the most extreme conservative actions ever taken. Singapore’s government is the most extreme conservative case that I know about. During the threat of communism they locked up the socialists and communist that were government officials. Ever since then the conservatives has been in control.


54 posted on 01/04/2013 11:59:19 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Correct. And if you talk to the average Singaporean, they would all be willing to do it again, including the Marxist cheerleaders in the press.

It is not that they don't think their government suffers from corruption. If you are fortunate enough to have a Singaporean friend, they will freely volunteer the excesses of their own government. But they are also willing to cut them some slack due to the bigger picture of keeping the Communist disease out.

The day will come that we will have to take similar drastic action if we wish our nation to recover from the terminal disease it has voted into office.

55 posted on 01/04/2013 12:11:35 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: demas415
Health clubs are booming. My small town of 25,000 now has 6 and they are all thriving.

Git thee to thy health club...or go for a jog at the very least.;-)

56 posted on 01/04/2013 12:17:57 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Liberty and Freedom!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Staying in as good a physical condition is absolutely mandatory and necessary to ride out this depression/obamageddon


57 posted on 01/04/2013 12:19:16 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Bon mots

“Do not give up your guns! NEVER!

The American citizenry is the best armed infantry in the world.

Once the guns get handed in, we are sitting ducks.

Expect no less than what the Jews got in the holocaust.”

You’re exactly right. There’s a reason why murderers and tyrants want you defenseless and unarmed. History is full of these examples—we have no exemptions to the lessons of history by virtue of being an American. It can and is happening here.


58 posted on 01/04/2013 12:28:00 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That’s what I said, the little guys always lose, besides, if we did have a civil war, it probably wouldn’t be in the near enough future for any of these people to be involved.


59 posted on 01/04/2013 12:31:44 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: KC_Lion
The Guns that are being bought and the mere fact that we are discussing this bodes ill for the future.

I say it bodes "Hope and Change".

FMCDH(BITS)

60 posted on 01/04/2013 12:38:45 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: stuartcr
everyday

The word "everyday" is an adjective.

Do you know the difference between "everyday" and "every day?"

61 posted on 01/04/2013 12:48:01 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: PatriotGirl827

bookmark


62 posted on 01/04/2013 1:02:50 PM PST by PatriotGirl827 (O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee)
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To: demas415
Sounds like your husband spent years paying into the unemployment fund for nothing in return.

Folks like him should be given an "opt out" from paying into something they'll never use (but they have to be barred from using it).

63 posted on 01/04/2013 1:15:29 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Amberdawn
Wars are fought and won by the determined. Only 30% of American’s supported our War of Independence. Many of the rest went to Canada.

Only 3% actually took up arms and fought the British.

64 posted on 01/04/2013 1:29:29 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: RoosterRedux

There needn’t be a civil war,this is a weak administration backed by a weak legislature.Given time,it will collapse,the real effort needs to be in pushing the administration and the Congress that comes after this one into repealing the left’s idiotic advances.

Otherwise I don’t see this government triumphing over the American people even though most don’t seem willing to openly oppose it,neither are they very happy with it.Let the idiots running this country flounder and then drown,then find someone willing to fix the damage they’ve caused.


65 posted on 01/04/2013 1:37:10 PM PST by Del Rapier
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To: WKUHilltopper
"Expect no less than what the Jews got in the holocaust.”

"Better the death of Masada than the death of Dachau!"

66 posted on 01/04/2013 1:41:58 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Mears

Well, everyone EXCEPT your darling daughter of course. /s


67 posted on 01/04/2013 1:47:03 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: stuartcr
Once the Cloward-Piven triple-digit inflation kicks in, it won't be long before those EBT cards are pretty much worthless. That's when the riots begin.

And that won't be more than five years from now. I say three.

68 posted on 01/04/2013 1:57:00 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: PowderMonkey
Hence, the feverish desire on the part of the State to seize powder and arms now in the hands of the citizenry.

The problem that the State has is that of investment dollars for private ownership of legal goods. I have not seen an estimate of how much money has been spent by Ameicans for arms and ammo but it must be astronomical!

People are not give up their monetary investment without a fight and most especially when it deals with giving up 2nd Amendment rights along with it.

69 posted on 01/04/2013 2:03:26 PM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SVTCobra03

Wow. Reminds me of Churchill’s quote of ‘So many owing so few’.


70 posted on 01/04/2013 2:38:15 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: demas415
Working for a living is good, but the belief that you are not entitled to money you paid in is nothing more than the slave mentality.

People are entitled to the money government steals from them IF they meet the requirements the government sets for getting it back? Maybe people are also allowed to collect on insurance claims given an a government approved claim from a policy that government makes them purchase -sound familiar?

You sound like a leftist.

How about people are entitled to their money and government is NOT!

One does not change the corrupt system by becoming a useful idiot willingly participating in it.

71 posted on 01/04/2013 2:54:51 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We’ll just have to wait and see.


72 posted on 01/04/2013 2:58:54 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We’ll just have to wait and see.


73 posted on 01/04/2013 2:59:04 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: RoosterRedux

And the folks are not buying weapons because they fear crime.


74 posted on 01/04/2013 3:58:11 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I'm gonna buy a Windham Weapons "MPC" (Military Preferred Carbine) as soon as I can find a new one available.

If you are in the market, do the research...great AR-15 for the money.

75 posted on 01/04/2013 5:33:11 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Liberty and Freedom!)
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To: familyop

familyop ~ : “ Most members of Congress are in an occupation where many call themselves, “Esquire.” They do special tasks for special constituents.”

Quite the contrary .. they call themselves :” Honorable”
Esquire is limited to the liar ( lawyer ) profession , or to Irish ancestory of a land title holder.

There is nothing ‘honorable’ about politics in Washington D.C., especially in the last four years or more .


76 posted on 01/04/2013 8:05:37 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: demas415

My gun is too heavy.

an My back hurts

an I had to sleep on the ground last nite.


77 posted on 01/04/2013 11:21:40 PM PST by kennyboy509 ( Ha! I kill me!!!)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

The next revolution is three missed meals away.


78 posted on 01/05/2013 1:08:18 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

And most of them are lawyers.


79 posted on 01/05/2013 1:35:35 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Tried to send you a Freepmail response...but because I updated my email address last week...I am now classified as a new Freeper and incapable of using the mail function.

I look forward to learning of your experience with your WW AR15 MPC.

I will email Jim Rob tomorrow to see if this can be resolved.

In the meantime...stay armed and ready.;-)

80 posted on 01/05/2013 6:45:30 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Liberty and Freedom!)
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To: Mears

After 25 years at a good paying job, she should have been able to care for herself for a year.

I’ve been unemployed. Considered myself a perfect example of what was wrong with the unemployment system.


81 posted on 01/05/2013 6:55:01 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

“No representation without taxation”

Interesting sentiment, but methinks it would play out in a way not to your liking.
Leftists are masters of the one-off. Your tax would be lowered to zero...but your employer’s tax increased to match...oh, sorry, you don’t get to vote! A modest tax on entitlements/welfare enacted...oh, look who can vote!


82 posted on 01/05/2013 6:58:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: demas415

Old and fat men are good for at least one ambush. If not that then we at least know they won’t be chasing after the good guys.


83 posted on 01/05/2013 7:08:54 PM PST by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: DBeers

People are entitled to their money—especially money they paid into a system against their will


84 posted on 01/23/2013 2:17:41 PM PST by demas415
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To: Iron Munro
Even an old fashion military coup is starting to look like a better alternative than what we now have

"It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone!

So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!"

Some things never change.

85 posted on 01/23/2013 2:29:51 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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