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We're now one step closer to America's coming civil war
FoxNews.com ^ | 12/3/2012 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 01/04/2013 9:35:28 AM PST by RoosterRedux

The New Year has started with a monstrosity of a budget deal, one that proves that neither political party, Democrats or Republicans, is really serious about controlling the growth of big government.

But soap opera dramatics about fiscal "cliffs" and sequestration shouldn’t deflect from where President Obama is really taking this country. Consider this story from the Wall Street Journal a few days before Christmas:

“Thousands of people in several Argentine cities ransacked supermarkets for a second day in the latest challenge to President Chistina Kirchner, who is struggling to revive a weak economy...In the central city Rosario, two people were killed during the incidents and 137 people arrested.

“The violence puts Mrs. Kirchner in a difficult position as the poor are [her] core constituents...Her government spends billions of dollars a year to help low income families, including free health care...[Yet] Argentine activists who claim to represent the poor traditionally block access to supermarkets in the month of December to demand free food and other items...The latest events were some of the worst acts of looting and vandalism in years.... Local media showed dozens of men, women, and children hauling away televisions, refrigerators, and food.”

Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated. It’s true that Argentina’s politicians have been waging class warfare since Juan and Eva Peron–and they aren’t fazed when it turns bloody. Obama and the Democrats are relative newcomers to the game. But Argentina reveals who really suffers when those who create a nation’s wealth get mugged by those who spend it–as just happened this week in Washington.

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1 posted on 01/04/2013 9:35:32 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
Hence, the feverish desire on the part of the State to seize powder and arms now in the hands of the citizenry.
2 posted on 01/04/2013 9:47:40 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: RoosterRedux; Jack Black; Travis McGee
Fox News Civil War Ping.

What is it called when People as a whole sense something coming?

The Guns that are being bought and the mere fact that we are discussing this bodes ill for the future.

3 posted on 01/04/2013 9:50:15 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: RoosterRedux

I think the realization explained in this article is spot on but too late. The media and Hollywood controls the message to the 49% of takers. Intellect and logic, let alone basic free market economics, will never reach the takers.

We breached the tipping point. Between the citizens dependent on the Fed for a job and the citizens and illegals that are dependent on the fed for food, housing, cash, healthcare and retirement. I don’t see more than 50% of the country ever voting for candidates that want to shrink government and reduce entitlements. They would be voting themselves a pay cut, or at least a lifestyle reduction.


4 posted on 01/04/2013 9:50:28 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: RoosterRedux

From a guy that lived through the Argentinian collapse:
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/


5 posted on 01/04/2013 9:51:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: RoosterRedux

History repeats itself, aggression against pro gun states.

Lincoln Part Deux declares Americans are too stupid to own weapons of mass destruction and urges the forced induction of miilions to be part of his Brown Shirt Militia.


6 posted on 01/04/2013 9:51:46 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: RoosterRedux
If it comes down to civil war, the people who brought it to pass should be the first to suffer the consequences.

The people I'm talking about know who they are.

7 posted on 01/04/2013 9:51:46 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If it comes down to civil war, the people who brought it to pass should be the first to suffer the consequences.

That stands to reason.
8 posted on 01/04/2013 9:54:53 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Doesn’t everyday bring us one step closer to something that may happen in the future?

That’s essentially what happens with the passage of time.


9 posted on 01/04/2013 9:56:55 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: RoosterRedux

We are devolving into a Nation of silly conspiracy theorists. Sadly, way too many have prominent positions in the media.


10 posted on 01/04/2013 9:58:10 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: PowderMonkey

Does anybody notice how non-responsive the Congress has become to the American electorate ?

Our Nation was built on freedoms which were protected by government in the ‘Bill of Rights’and the Constitution .
Now , government seems to have become larger , and the role of citizens is to financially support this engrossed bureaucracy .
Our rights are steadily being trampled , one-by-one .
We , and our rights , are now becomming subservient to government largess.


11 posted on 01/04/2013 9:58:26 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: RoosterRedux

Been predicting this for the last few years now. The seeds have been planted.


12 posted on 01/04/2013 9:58:26 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: stuartcr

This is what I have been predicting for the last few years.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 10:00:03 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: RoosterRedux
Those who collect some form of outright welfare and today's version of unemployment compensation should not be able to vote. Those who are receiving a Social Security benefit, not having earned those benefits, should not be able to vote.

Two wolves and a lamb, etc,etc.

14 posted on 01/04/2013 10:04:31 AM PST by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

and history shows us those people that are really the first to suffer and continue to suffer after the war...it generally ain’t those in charge, it’s the poor schmuck that gets dragged into it even when he didn’t want to and anyone living on/owning property where the battles are.


15 posted on 01/04/2013 10:05:16 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: RoosterRedux

Can we start photoshopping the tyrant and his wife as the Peron’s now? O Cry For Me Argentina, cause no one else is...


16 posted on 01/04/2013 10:06:13 AM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Why should they be responsive?

They’ve got an 8% approval rate and a 90% re-election rate.


17 posted on 01/04/2013 10:06:16 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: RoosterRedux

When the ships stop off-loading ..
when the trucks stop running ..
when the EBT card stops working ..
It’s time to lock and load !!


18 posted on 01/04/2013 10:07:44 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: stuartcr
My point exactly.

The perpetrators prosper while the peasants die.

We need to alter that equation a bit this time around.

19 posted on 01/04/2013 10:08:53 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: Biggirl

I’ll go one more step...

The seeds were sown years ago. The harvest is about to come in.


20 posted on 01/04/2013 10:10:11 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Did you really mean to say that? Congress is very repsonsive to the electorate. That is the problem. The electorate is composed of a majority who believe they are owed free s**t from cellphones to Social Security. Congress is giving them what they want.


21 posted on 01/04/2013 10:11:15 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: RoosterRedux

All the civil wars I can think of were started by the equivalent of progressives, not conservatives. Take the US Civil war; Democrats. Take the Spanish Civil War, Franco, Fascist. Conservatives to not start civil wars. Nor is there anybody who would finance it as Conservative causes don’t attract money so much as Fascist causes do. We will get incrementally stepped on until, 30 years from now, Conservatism will be illegal.


22 posted on 01/04/2013 10:12:23 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: RoosterRedux

Most Americans are too fat to jog once around the block, much less fight a civil war.


23 posted on 01/04/2013 10:12:40 AM PST by demas415
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To: Banjoguy

“-— and today’s version of unemployment compensation should not be able to vote.”

So my daughter,an MBA who had worked for over 25 years and was laid off and collected unemployment for about a year shouldn’t have been able to vote?

Ridiculous !

She is now working but the entire experience was very difficult for her.

.


24 posted on 01/04/2013 10:13:08 AM PST by Mears
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To: Kartographer; Clint N. Suhks; mylife; smokingfrog; WorkerbeeCitizen; lightman

SHTF Ping...


25 posted on 01/04/2013 10:17:55 AM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: Banjoguy

I call it “No representation without taxation”. That applies to those who dont pay.

Those who are recieving their sustenance from the government should be barred from voting while they are on the take. I need a nice phrase for that one...


26 posted on 01/04/2013 10:18:29 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: RoosterRedux

Do not give up your guns! NEVER!

The American citizenry is the best armed infantry in the world.

Once the guns get handed in, we are sitting ducks.

Expect no less than what the Jews got in the holocaust.


27 posted on 01/04/2013 10:19:10 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: RoosterRedux

Mark for later


28 posted on 01/04/2013 10:21:58 AM PST by ru4liberty
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To: RoosterRedux
"...Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated..."

Has anyone received their first paycheck for 2013 yet? I just did and the ‘takers’ just got a whole lot more of my money. WT!!! Looks like they're winning the war. Obama's going to starve out the Middle Class. I don't have it in my budget to take care of my family and Obama’s giveaways and deficits.

29 posted on 01/04/2013 10:22:11 AM PST by 444Flyer (Genesis 12:3)
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To: Mears

As kindly as I can say this... Some years ago, my husband lost his job due to the company going bankrupt. He was unemployed for a long time .. trying to find work anywhere. He would NOT file for unemployment, even though he could have. In those years, to some, there was a stigma to government ‘gifts’. He would not stand in that line for that handout (and yes, it was considered that back then). Did it gain us anything? Not much.. it just was a standard of principle for this one man.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 10:24:13 AM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: RoosterRedux

Mark for later


31 posted on 01/04/2013 10:24:38 AM PST by ru4liberty
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To: KC_Lion

“The Guns that are being bought and the mere fact that we are discussing this bodes ill for the future. “

Or well. Depending on the outcome.


32 posted on 01/04/2013 10:24:38 AM PST by Augustinian monk
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To: demas415

Oh please. A ma deuce mounts handily on a golf cart. I think.


33 posted on 01/04/2013 10:25:22 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: RoosterRedux

I wrote “Surviving Civil War II: Preparing For Economic, Political and Social Collapse”.
We are already in a civil war, it is just being fought differently (new territory is the Internet). It is still over slavery, the debt slavery of future generations to the decaying welfare state. It is being fought with proxy armies of union brownshirts, OWS anarchists, illegals, EPA regulators. It is as inevitable as is the economic collapse.
http://www.futurnamics.com/civilwar.php


34 posted on 01/04/2013 10:25:38 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: RoosterRedux

ping


35 posted on 01/04/2013 10:28:27 AM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m sure the media is at the top of that list.


36 posted on 01/04/2013 10:34:29 AM PST by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Mears
I understand that.

When I got out of the Navy it was 39 weeks. I got a job pronto.

One of the reasons she had trouble is because of the damage the "tax and spend" Democrats have done to the economy. Yes, I feel extended benefit receivers should be denied the vote while getting benefits since they're most likely to be getting them during an election cycle.

37 posted on 01/04/2013 10:36:04 AM PST by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: frnewsjunkie

Sounds like your husband spent years paying into the unemployment fund for nothing in return.

Much better to try and get at least some of that money back than to be happy with that kind of lose-lose situation in the name of principle.


38 posted on 01/04/2013 10:39:35 AM PST by demas415
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To: RoosterRedux

Here we are after 236 years - A hard core racist/socialist illegal alien in the White House, a certified buffoon as Vice President, 535 arrogant do-nothing clowns in the senate and half the Supreme Court think they are gods.

How far we have fallen!

Even an old fashion military coup is starting to look like a better alternative than what we now have.


39 posted on 01/04/2013 10:47:28 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America !!!!)
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To: Iron Munro

Careful what you wish for. Military dictatorship will not be any better for any one.

If the military did march on Washington and clean house so we could reset the gov’t, it would not work. We would have elections and the same morons would get to the same place.

The only thing we can hope for is that the states get hit so hard by the Feds that they call a constitutional convention or ratify ammendments.

Otherwise, we are all screwed eventually.


40 posted on 01/04/2013 11:02:43 AM PST by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: RoosterRedux
You’ll have to forgive me for a little bit of nitpickery .. knowing that it’s part of the pop culture … at least those who know history beyond 10 minutes ago.

But a Civil war is when both sides attempt to take over the central government – I don’t think would be the case here, this case would be more akin to divorce or better yet the removal of a leeches.

The Confederacy didn’t really want to run the whole country – They just wanted to separated from the rest of the states.

I prefer the term War of Feral Aggression myself.

41 posted on 01/04/2013 11:09:27 AM PST by HammerT (The Obama Recession, you bone it you own it.)
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To: demas415

Ya’ just have to understand a man back then... even though the government took it out of his paycheck all that time.. he considered standing in that line and drawing that check, ‘welfare’, in some fashion. They were taught to work for a living.


42 posted on 01/04/2013 11:13:54 AM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: RoosterRedux
"Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated."

The author's warnings are only misplaced. Kirchner opposes production on Argentinian soil in favor of foreign imports while pretending to be working for the poor. Most working class, once-private-sector folks in Argentina are not fond of her or any of the other political so-called choices there.

Yes--misplaced. The poor of the former private sector won't go after the middle class in general. Most private-sector poor folks are accustomed to simply trying to survive.

Many government-supported (regulators, government teachers, pensioners, all), falling middle class people in an immoral society, on the other hand, are accustomed to pride, comforts and entertainment. When unemployed, many of them will throw tantrums and go where the loot is.


43 posted on 01/04/2013 11:15:27 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Tenacious 1
I think the realization explained in this article is spot on but too late. The media and Hollywood controls the message to the 49% of takers.

Where my free healthcare at?

44 posted on 01/04/2013 11:17:44 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: demas415

Wars are fought and won by the determined. Only 30% of American’s supported our War of Independence. Many of the rest went to Canada.


45 posted on 01/04/2013 11:21:51 AM PST by Amberdawn
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To: RoosterRedux; PowderMonkey; carriage_hill

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/something-funny-happened-on-the-way-to-the-tyranny/


46 posted on 01/04/2013 11:27:42 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
"Does anybody notice how non-responsive the Congress has become to the American electorate ?"

Most members of Congress are in an occupation where many call themselves, "Esquire." They do special tasks for special constituents.


47 posted on 01/04/2013 11:30:50 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: crosshairs
If it comes down to civil war, the people who brought it to pass should be the first to suffer the consequences.
That stands to reason.

Yeah, but I feel guilty that I'm starting to become eager to dish it out, LOL.

48 posted on 01/04/2013 11:36:55 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: frnewsjunkie

Working for a living is good, but the belief that you are not entitled to money you paid in is nothing more than the slave mentality.


49 posted on 01/04/2013 11:40:04 AM PST by demas415
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

But that’s how wars, especially civil wars, work...


50 posted on 01/04/2013 11:43:38 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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