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We're now one step closer to America's coming civil war
FoxNews.com ^ | 12/3/2012 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 01/04/2013 9:35:28 AM PST by RoosterRedux

The New Year has started with a monstrosity of a budget deal, one that proves that neither political party, Democrats or Republicans, is really serious about controlling the growth of big government.

But soap opera dramatics about fiscal "cliffs" and sequestration shouldn’t deflect from where President Obama is really taking this country. Consider this story from the Wall Street Journal a few days before Christmas:

“Thousands of people in several Argentine cities ransacked supermarkets for a second day in the latest challenge to President Chistina Kirchner, who is struggling to revive a weak economy...In the central city Rosario, two people were killed during the incidents and 137 people arrested.

“The violence puts Mrs. Kirchner in a difficult position as the poor are [her] core constituents...Her government spends billions of dollars a year to help low income families, including free health care...[Yet] Argentine activists who claim to represent the poor traditionally block access to supermarkets in the month of December to demand free food and other items...The latest events were some of the worst acts of looting and vandalism in years.... Local media showed dozens of men, women, and children hauling away televisions, refrigerators, and food.”

Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated. It’s true that Argentina’s politicians have been waging class warfare since Juan and Eva Peron–and they aren’t fazed when it turns bloody. Obama and the Democrats are relative newcomers to the game. But Argentina reveals who really suffers when those who create a nation’s wealth get mugged by those who spend it–as just happened this week in Washington.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; corruption
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To: RoosterRedux
You’ll have to forgive me for a little bit of nitpickery .. knowing that it’s part of the pop culture … at least those who know history beyond 10 minutes ago.

But a Civil war is when both sides attempt to take over the central government – I don’t think would be the case here, this case would be more akin to divorce or better yet the removal of a leeches.

The Confederacy didn’t really want to run the whole country – They just wanted to separated from the rest of the states.

I prefer the term War of Feral Aggression myself.

41 posted on 01/04/2013 11:09:27 AM PST by HammerT (The Obama Recession, you bone it you own it.)
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To: demas415

Ya’ just have to understand a man back then... even though the government took it out of his paycheck all that time.. he considered standing in that line and drawing that check, ‘welfare’, in some fashion. They were taught to work for a living.


42 posted on 01/04/2013 11:13:54 AM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: RoosterRedux
"Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated."

The author's warnings are only misplaced. Kirchner opposes production on Argentinian soil in favor of foreign imports while pretending to be working for the poor. Most working class, once-private-sector folks in Argentina are not fond of her or any of the other political so-called choices there.

Yes--misplaced. The poor of the former private sector won't go after the middle class in general. Most private-sector poor folks are accustomed to simply trying to survive.

Many government-supported (regulators, government teachers, pensioners, all), falling middle class people in an immoral society, on the other hand, are accustomed to pride, comforts and entertainment. When unemployed, many of them will throw tantrums and go where the loot is.


43 posted on 01/04/2013 11:15:27 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Tenacious 1
I think the realization explained in this article is spot on but too late. The media and Hollywood controls the message to the 49% of takers.

Where my free healthcare at?

44 posted on 01/04/2013 11:17:44 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: demas415

Wars are fought and won by the determined. Only 30% of American’s supported our War of Independence. Many of the rest went to Canada.


45 posted on 01/04/2013 11:21:51 AM PST by Amberdawn
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To: RoosterRedux; PowderMonkey; carriage_hill

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/something-funny-happened-on-the-way-to-the-tyranny/


46 posted on 01/04/2013 11:27:42 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
"Does anybody notice how non-responsive the Congress has become to the American electorate ?"

Most members of Congress are in an occupation where many call themselves, "Esquire." They do special tasks for special constituents.


47 posted on 01/04/2013 11:30:50 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: crosshairs
If it comes down to civil war, the people who brought it to pass should be the first to suffer the consequences.
That stands to reason.

Yeah, but I feel guilty that I'm starting to become eager to dish it out, LOL.

48 posted on 01/04/2013 11:36:55 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: frnewsjunkie

Working for a living is good, but the belief that you are not entitled to money you paid in is nothing more than the slave mentality.


49 posted on 01/04/2013 11:40:04 AM PST by demas415
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

But that’s how wars, especially civil wars, work...


50 posted on 01/04/2013 11:43:38 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr
But that’s how wars, especially civil wars, work...

Surely you jest.

Soros will be exempt.

Obama will be exempt.

Pelosi will be exempt.

Reid will be exempt.

Need I continue?

51 posted on 01/04/2013 11:49:53 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: laxcoach
The only thing we can hope for is that the states get hit so hard by the Feds that they call a constitutional convention or ratify ammendments.

IMHO a constitutional convention is the last thing we would want.

For one example - Do you think something like the 2nd ammendment would survive a rewrite of the constitution when we have an electorate dumb enough to elect Obama twice? When we have federal, state and local governments rushing to use the reaction to the recent school shooting to pass more gun control laws?

Imagine what a new constitution written and approved by our current moocher, politically correct culture would look like,


52 posted on 01/04/2013 11:50:13 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America !!!!)
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To: laxcoach

Oh no, no constitutional convention, no sir. Not with the current make-up of the country and states. A new Constitution would read like a thousand-page-long transcript of Occupy Wall Street protest speeches and would completely and perfectly invert “rights” and “wants” just for starters.


53 posted on 01/04/2013 11:56:04 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Gen.Blather

You might want to look at the most extreme conservative actions ever taken. Singapore’s government is the most extreme conservative case that I know about. During the threat of communism they locked up the socialists and communist that were government officials. Ever since then the conservatives has been in control.


54 posted on 01/04/2013 11:59:19 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Correct. And if you talk to the average Singaporean, they would all be willing to do it again, including the Marxist cheerleaders in the press.

It is not that they don't think their government suffers from corruption. If you are fortunate enough to have a Singaporean friend, they will freely volunteer the excesses of their own government. But they are also willing to cut them some slack due to the bigger picture of keeping the Communist disease out.

The day will come that we will have to take similar drastic action if we wish our nation to recover from the terminal disease it has voted into office.

55 posted on 01/04/2013 12:11:35 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: demas415
Health clubs are booming. My small town of 25,000 now has 6 and they are all thriving.

Git thee to thy health club...or go for a jog at the very least.;-)

56 posted on 01/04/2013 12:17:57 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Liberty and Freedom!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Staying in as good a physical condition is absolutely mandatory and necessary to ride out this depression/obamageddon


57 posted on 01/04/2013 12:19:16 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Bon mots

“Do not give up your guns! NEVER!

The American citizenry is the best armed infantry in the world.

Once the guns get handed in, we are sitting ducks.

Expect no less than what the Jews got in the holocaust.”

You’re exactly right. There’s a reason why murderers and tyrants want you defenseless and unarmed. History is full of these examples—we have no exemptions to the lessons of history by virtue of being an American. It can and is happening here.


58 posted on 01/04/2013 12:28:00 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That’s what I said, the little guys always lose, besides, if we did have a civil war, it probably wouldn’t be in the near enough future for any of these people to be involved.


59 posted on 01/04/2013 12:31:44 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: KC_Lion
The Guns that are being bought and the mere fact that we are discussing this bodes ill for the future.

I say it bodes "Hope and Change".

FMCDH(BITS)

60 posted on 01/04/2013 12:38:45 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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