Posted on 11/17/2012 12:24:28 PM PST by fwdude
The 2012 election was an open door for the GOP to lead America back to its roots in faith and morality, and the Republicans were AWOL, says Dr. James Dobson, founder of Family Talk and a brand new political outreach arm called Family Talk Action.
“I waited throughout the campaign for Mitt Romney to declare himself, to at least identify with the moral issues that are before us. He would not touch them,” Dobson said on a two-part radio program in which Penny Nance, head of Concerned Women for America, joined.
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If that was all it did then there would not be schisms because of it. www.the-pope.com/wvat2tec.html
Have a God night.
No, it is not because she had different types of kids, but because of her disallowance of corporal discipline, and attempt to conform Scripture to her belief by excluding any literal meaning in texts on discipline, including disallowing the “rod” to be use that way, which is unwarranted and a slippery slope.
Beside what has been shown as regards “rod” which negate renders it simply as a guide or protector, the following further establishes its use as means of chastisement, physical and spoirtul:
“And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. “ (Exodus 21:20)
“Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; “ (2 Corinthians 11:25)
“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. “ (Revelation 12:5)
“What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness? “ (1 Corinthians 4:21)
“I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: “ (2 Samuel 7:14)
“Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me: “ (Job 9:34)
“If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. “ (Psalms 89:31-32)
“O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. “ (Isaiah 10:5)
“I am the man that hath seen affliction by the rod of his wrath. “ (Lamentations 3:1)
And in real life there often is physical chastisement for sin.
Be back tomorrow by God’s grace.
EXACTLY what SHE is doing to those of us whose children inherited our not so easy to raise temperament.
If she had easy to raise kids, more power to her.
Those of us graced with strong willed tyrants needed to use stronger means of persuasion to get our kids to obey.
Very good. How perceptive of you.
People who rabidly rail at others they disagree with are control freaks.
nope nope
not what I was doing metmom
what I was doing was saying that the Bible does not have as a primary part of Christianity that you need to physically punish children. I can’t stand it when people act like that is more important than love and patience.
Oh yeah, what your dad did? How about going with you and reading you a bedtime story, wouldn’t that have been nicer than spanking you back up the stairs? I bet your mom was not happy, here she works all day and he has to come home and make things ugly right at bed time, great.
hahaha
you’re funny lady
Here's a newsflash - not all kids are the same! What works for one may not phase another. The Bible says to raise up a child in the way he should go - according to his "bent" - and when we do that, we are assured he will not depart from the good upbringing he had. Kids need love AND discipline - it proves to them that we love them. Discipline in no way means brutality. Parents should never strike out in anger against their kids, and if they do, they should apologize. But with certain children, the only thing that snaps them out of fits of pique and stubbornness is a spanking. Note...I said "spanking" - not slapping, beating, bruising, bloodying or scarring. It CAN be done and, when necessary, it works.
You don't like Dobson, we get it, don't buy his books, don't listen to his teaching. This thread, however, is about VALUES. Those values that we once considered normal and society as a whole was unified on what was right and wrong. We have strayed away from moral values and there is a heavy price to pay. We need to do all we can to return our country to those moral standings if we ever hope to get back the blessings of God. I hope you can at least agree with James Dobson on that point!
ok thread police.
we will only talk about values, got it
There’s a world of difference between something that’s morally wrong and something that is just a matter of personal preference.
When it pushes someone over the edge like that just because someone else does something different from them that is not morally wrong, that person is a control freak.
If others spanking their kids pushes you over the edge like it has, you’re a control freak. If you weren’t, it wouldn’t bother you so much.
So here you are on this thread railing against spankings and yet you did what.....
SPANKED your kids.
There's a word for people like you.
It's *hypocrite*.
wow, you seem like the one that has lost it
Still cheery-picking - Mitt lost, there's no reason to keep this inaccurate tripe up. You (and others) keep omitting his true stance, that even though he may have certain opinions, the Constitution gave the decisions to the States, who should be the ones making the call. Same with the Boy Scouts - he said the organization should make the call; not the Federal government. I guess wanting to follow the Constitution is only good and adequate when you like the person involved.
Pro 23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
That should be plain (see 82), but like as liberals charge all those who oppose things like affirmative action as being racist, and homosexual activists charge all those who will not affirm their sin as being homophobic, so there are those who believe all are to train up a child in the way he should go - and which pertains to more than outward actions - without the use of corporeal punishment, charge others as being control freaks who love to hurt their own because they believe that the Scriptural judicious use of corporeal punishment is sometime necessary, and that basic reverence of authority is important, .
Of course, then you have a parent who will abuse Scriptural texts in order to justify their abuse,and which allows those who engage in a false balance to broadbrush those who do as being abusers.
But as Scripture is often effectively only a secondary authority in such cases.
Well said.
Don’t be a hater, yldstrk.
If the way that you attack other posters as well as Dobson is an indication of your general behavior then it’s hard to believe your claims about love and patience.
You may spare the rod but you more than make up for it in verbal nastiness.
There has never been a Tea Party candidate YET, because the Tea Party continues to call itself a grass roots movement and NOT a political party.
THUS, my suggestion that we STOP giving ANY money to the RNC and put pressure on the Tea Party to register as a formal political party.
I’m not as dumb as you seem to think. I KNOW that the Tea Party candidates we elect have to run as “Republicans” because the Tea Party is not an official, formally recognized or registered political party. If we push them, they will probably register, hopefully before the next election (assuming that there will BE a next election!).
I have always been hyper sensitive about beating pets and spanking kids, ask anybody that knows me. I think parents have a duty to their kids to try to make the world at home peaceful, safe and provide for them.
So, if it makes you all feel better about spanking your kids, I will say this: I don’t have to like what you do. I don’t like it and you can’t make me like it. That being said, have at it, it’s your life, your kids, and you are the ones that will have to live with it. Not the way I’d do it, buy hey, I guess that’s none of my business.
Got it? Quote the Bible however you wish, act on it according to your own conscience. I don’t have to agree you are right and I don’t have to like it. You don’t have to like me not liking it. You don’t have to agree with me or try to convince me. That’s what makes horseraces.
Maybe when we all get to Heaven God will say “yldstrk you were wrong, you should have spanked your children more.” Or “you should have just shut up when people were holding forth about the Godliness of spanking.” But I don’t recall seeing Jesus spank anyone.
So, that is best I can offer. I am not of a mind to affirm anyone’s thinking the Bible says you have to literally spank your kids. So, go on about your business, and you don’t have to affirm my interpretation either.
After a whole day of dealing with me and my siblings, I'll bet she was thrilled to have some support from my dad. She had her hands full with the five of us.
And of course, I won't forget that YOU spanked your kids by your own admission, making you a hypocrite for condemning the rest of us when we do it.
If a parent follows Dobson’s suggestions consistently spanking isn't necessary because the parent doesn't get his buttons pushed.
One of the suggestions of Dobson that I found very useful was “practice”. For instance if a child slams the screen door, then a useful response on the part of the parent is to have him practice closing it quietly ten times.
If a child is squirmy in church or at the doctor's office, then “practicing church” or “practicing going to the doctor's office” for a few minutes a day for a few weeks helps a child learn expected behavior.
Also...His suggestion to use natural consequences worked wonders for our family. For example, one of our preschoolers whined about not going to Mc Donalds when the plan was to go for pizza. My husband quietly said to our son, “I am not having a good time.” He turned the car around, dropped my son off with a neighbor, and the rest of us went out for pizza. That never happened again with any of the kids. Throughout the children's childhood, all my husband and I had to say was, “I am not having a good time.” , and the misbehavior stopped immediately.
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