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Dobson: Where have GOP values gone? [GOP was AWOL on conservative values]
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 16, 2012 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 11/17/2012 12:24:28 PM PST by fwdude

The 2012 election was an open door for the GOP to lead America back to its roots in faith and morality, and the Republicans were AWOL, says Dr. James Dobson, founder of Family Talk and a brand new political outreach arm called Family Talk Action.

“I waited throughout the campaign for Mitt Romney to declare himself, to at least identify with the moral issues that are before us. He would not touch them,” Dobson said on a two-part radio program in which Penny Nance, head of Concerned Women for America, joined.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012rncstrategy; christianvote; conservatism; elections; romney2012
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To: daniel1212

“SSPX or a sedevacantist”

I would have to look those terms up, so as far as I know, I am not. Just Catholic.

So once again, believe what you want, you are undoubtedly right in your own reality, as someone I know used to say.

You know, intelligent people know that the scriptures are true on many levels, and that a shepherd uses his rod to guide, not to strike or beat and that symbolism is used again and again—a caution to the literalist............


61 posted on 11/17/2012 8:15:17 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Oh he probably does mean well, you’re right, in his own self righteous way..........

love the hammer and nail thing, these shrinks ought to really get additional degrees so they can get some perspective on things.


62 posted on 11/17/2012 8:16:56 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: All

And here you are all piling on yldstrk because she had children that were easy to raise. That’s just plain stupid. There isn’t a literal one size fits all answer that goes in every family — temperaments DIFFER between children. And... Proverbs are generalities that are true often enough to be worthy of consideration; they are not promises or literal boxes into which the whole world can be forced.


63 posted on 11/17/2012 8:16:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: yldstrk

Watch those generalities. I don’t think he and Sigmund Freud would get along too well....


64 posted on 11/17/2012 8:19:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

now now Hitech, I had one that was definitely NOT easy to raise, a lot of what I did with him was continue to wait him out, treat him lovingly and love him unconditionally as God loves us and the job is not done yet. I can only imagine what mr. quiverful would have done with this one. No it hasn’t been easy, it has at times been downright dreadful, but I prayed scripture over all of them, that they would grow in stature with God and man, and I set an example of someone who lives a virtuous life, works, worships, tithes.
In fact, Quiverfull’s argument about God loving conditionally applies better to his approach than it does to mine it seems to me.


65 posted on 11/17/2012 8:24:39 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk; metmom; boatbums; caww

If you reject V2 then you fit into at least one. And by excluding any literal meaning of discipline by the “rod” then you reveal yourself to be a liberal who is conforming Scripture to your doctrine.

“Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. “ (Proverbs 23:14)

“A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool’s back. “ (Proverbs 26:3)

And which again, physical spanking is a reluctant but sometimes necessary Biblical use, and teaches a fuller real consequence to defiant disobedience than passive measures, which also have their place.


66 posted on 11/17/2012 8:26:14 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Hi Tech, I realize that dobson is a psychologist and Freud was a physician, and Freud is the bigger evil, but anyway, whatever. Here

http://www.jeffreymasson.com/books/against-therapy.html


67 posted on 11/17/2012 8:27:40 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tau Food
Trying to out-liberal the left is a recipe for disaster.

Bang!!! Post of the month.

68 posted on 11/17/2012 8:29:45 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: daniel1212

suit yourself danny boy


69 posted on 11/17/2012 8:29:50 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Many conservative Christian pundits across many denominations are skeptical about psychology as it is practiced today. And I think a healthy skepticism is good, especially when they start telling normal people what they ought to do. When in their specialty of helping abnormal people cope better with life, the “Christian psychologist” quite often outshines the rest.


70 posted on 11/17/2012 8:31:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

ok


71 posted on 11/17/2012 8:32:47 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: fwdude
I didn't say to support a GOP candidate because that's all there is

"Scuse me. Did you previous post NOT say "Until the TEA Party, or another movement of real conservatism, gains critical mass, we are stuck with working within the GOP"? That's the same thing as saying this is what we got and we do this or nothing.

The GOP-E has become both corrupt and contemptible. In 2010, we worked pretty hard to send Tea Party candidates (under the guise of being "Republicans") to the Congress. Once there, the GOP-E leadership, essentially, told them that if they didn't play ball the way the GOP-E told them, they would not get any of their legislation passed.

I don't know how that sounds to you, but that sounds like Democrat strong-arm tactics to me. And, this was Bawling Boehner telling them this.

That's NOT how conservatives are supposed to act (although it would be a positive turn of events if Bawling Boehner would address Democrats that way!). I welcome the GOP-E getting in the gutter and going mano-a-mano with the Dems like that, but NOT the people we sent to address the wimpy Republican Party.

When we ALL stop donating money to the linguini-spined, limp-wristed do-nothings in the RNC and let it die a REALLY nasty death, maybe . . . . . . . just MAYBE we can get a political party that represents the values of true conservatives instead of Mitt Romney moderates.

72 posted on 11/17/2012 8:34:41 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: daniel1212

As best as I have been able to understand, V2 didn’t forbid Roman Catholics from continuing their extant practices. It opened up more options and more relaxed modes of religious practice. I’ve seen a lot of Catholics that think V2 opened up a bigger can of worms than it put to rest, and choose the older practices, but who are not in congregations that are dedicated to opposing it.


73 posted on 11/17/2012 8:36:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The root of psychology is godless humanism. It cannot be Christianized any more than the alter of Satan can. It claims to answer questions and solve problems that only Scripture holds answers to.

Yes, it is a usurper, and has no place in Christian life.


74 posted on 11/17/2012 8:41:45 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Barnacle
As to that dog story you posted... In my opinion, that dog is lucky to be alive. He showed more mercy than it deserved.

I know a little girl who was backed up the stairs one at a time with a spanking at each step because every time her father told her to go to bed, she said *NO!*.

So she got spanked, backed up ONE step and sat down again. It continued all the way to the top of the stairs.

It left a lasting impression on her siblings. I don't remember it at all.... :)

75 posted on 11/17/2012 8:44:27 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: yldstrk
that stop sign is a good one, thanks, yeah dobson is a control freak like a lot of psychologists

Unlike you, of course....

ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

76 posted on 11/17/2012 8:52:01 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: John Leland 1789
Nope! You do not sound like a "monster". Those who are able to raise their children without ever having to use any form of corporal punishment are blessed indeed! I respect James Dobson very much and, contrary to the dirt being thrown at him for daring to suggest spanking for the "strong-willed child" as well as the defiant, top-dog-wanna-be spaniel, what he advises IS sometimes the only method that works. There are some children who come out of the womb thinking the world revolves around them and NO ONE better dare try to get them to submit to authority. And there are other children that are docile and calm, loving and obedient. A good parent better know how to deal with either type because they don't come with care labels.

Praise the Lord for parents like you who love their children enough to raise them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord and according to each's "bent". I don't doubt that a large part of the problem we have in public schools with discipline and challenges to authority stems from those who bought the liberal lie that kids can raise themselves and don't need parental guidance and discipline. Like Scripture says:

    In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

      “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”

    Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. (Hebrews 12:4-11)


77 posted on 11/17/2012 8:53:26 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: metmom

what?

either you are saying I am a psychologist or I am a control freak?

suit yourself metmom, but I am neither and since ubama won I am even less in control of anything


78 posted on 11/17/2012 8:55:15 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: daniel1212
Proverbs 23:13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
79 posted on 11/17/2012 8:55:39 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DustyMoment
In 2010, we worked pretty hard to send Tea Party candidates (under the guise of being "Republicans") to the Congress.

Which is exactly what I pointed out. THERE HAS NEVER, YET, BEEN A SEPARATE TEA PARTY CANDIDATE WIN AN ELECTED OFFICE. They have ALL run as Republicans, Tea Party Republicans.

I welcome the day that the Tea Party, or some other conservative alternative, absolutely buries the GOP for good. Until that time, the two-party system is what we have to work with. And, at this time, it is the Republican and Democrat Parties.

80 posted on 11/17/2012 8:56:28 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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