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EXCLUSIVE: Massacre suspect James Holmes' gun-range application drew red flag
foxnews.com ^ | 7/22/12 | Jana Winter

Posted on 07/22/2012 11:35:51 AM PDT by ColdOne

BYERS, Colo. – Less than a month before carrying out the midnight movie massacre that left 12 dead, suspected shooter James Holmes applied for membership at a private gun range, unnerving the club’s owner whose calls to Holmes’ apartment reached a “creepy, weird” Batman-inspired voicemail message.

“His answering machine message was incoherent, just bizarre, really bizarre -- slurring words, but he didn’t sound drunk, just strange -- I could make out “James” somewhere in it,” Glenn Rotkovich, of the Lead Valley Range, in Byers, Colo., told

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
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1 posted on 07/22/2012 11:35:55 AM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne
“I said, ‘Yes, this looks like it’s him,’” Rotkovich recalled. “Too many coincidences for it not to be him.”

In reading the article, it seems Mr. Rotkovich did a better job of determining the right person than Brian Ross did. It's not that hard if you really want to...

2 posted on 07/22/2012 11:45:20 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: ColdOne

Obviously we need to ban comic books.


3 posted on 07/22/2012 11:46:51 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: ColdOne

Well, there is one place he didn’t practice.


4 posted on 07/22/2012 11:48:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ColdOne
The one-line email to which he attached the application concluded with a curt and businesslike sentence signed in a way that further put off the rural Colorado gun range proprietor: “Cheers, James,” according to a copy obtained by FoxNews.com. "That also struck me as very, very strange,” Rotkovich said. “Who says ‘Cheers?’”

Uh.....

.... a lot of people?

Cheers,

Laz

5 posted on 07/22/2012 11:53:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

And you wonder why so many people think you’re a psycho, Laz?


6 posted on 07/22/2012 12:01:36 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Lazamataz

Well then, try not to use that limey poofery anywhere in the western US.

;-)


7 posted on 07/22/2012 12:01:44 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: ozzymandus
Well, I am the Joker on Free Republic.

"Are you speaking 'Bat'?....Rurhrrururuuhruhruhruhruhr!!!! Do you see what it sounds like???!?

8 posted on 07/22/2012 12:11:02 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Lazamataz

The term “cheers” is something that you pick up with the European base. A lot of Americans who spend years in Germany or the UK....end up using the expression a good bit. I used to work with a guy in my office who made twenty phone calls a day....and typically ended the call with “cheers” every single time.

I noted the kid played soccer a lot...so I’m guessing he picked up various European terms while hanging around the field.


9 posted on 07/22/2012 12:12:39 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Lazamataz; ColdOne

“Who says ‘Cheers?’”

Hey, whats so strange about ‘Cheers’? I say it sometimes, the British say it...

Cheers,
Gpa


10 posted on 07/22/2012 12:14:28 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: ColdOne
Think it is time to hear from his family or 'physician'. . .

Why did his Mother, confirm so readily; that this monster Joker; could well be her son. When did the 'split' begin?

And yes, for sure; was he 'aided' and abetted along the way; per this entire scenario.

Is schizohrenia and 'neuro science' a bad combination? Seems there is a threshold here; am wondering what is was; or whom. Maybe, only the 'Joker'; his guide; or, maybe not.

(Do wonder when the pic taken - with Holmes red hair, blazing.)

11 posted on 07/22/2012 12:16:20 PM PDT by cricket (http://voteron2012.com/)
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To: ColdOne

Seems to me that the “Gun Lobby” figured this guy out pretty quickly. It’s tragic that our “finest” could not do the same.


12 posted on 07/22/2012 12:21:09 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Lazamataz

The gun range owner must be Ron Swanson.
13 posted on 07/22/2012 12:33:38 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: ColdOne
Rotkovich planned to vet Holmes in person before he would be allowed to step on the range and pick up a weapon, let alone become a member.

We need to put him in charge of vetting presidential candidates and foreigners wanting flying lessons.

14 posted on 07/22/2012 1:00:28 PM PDT by bgill
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To: ColdOne

The slurring and withdraw from society really beginning to back up schizophrenia as a reason.


15 posted on 07/22/2012 1:03:15 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: pepsionice; Lazamataz

I’m certain Laz’s “Cheers” would be better received in the intermountain west than answering the phone with “moshi moshi” after spending some time in Japan.


16 posted on 07/22/2012 1:08:19 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: bgill

We need to put him in charge of vetting presidential candidates and foreigners wanting flying lessons.”

How about we let him run airport security. Maybe then some of us could return to flying.


17 posted on 07/22/2012 1:14:23 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Lazamataz; mrreaganaut

Exactly, many people use the word Cheers...especially Anglophiles.

Cheers Laz,

R


18 posted on 07/22/2012 1:15:53 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: struggle

The slurring was probably an attempt to impersonate that Joker persona.


19 posted on 07/22/2012 1:18:31 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Don’t forget gun ranges, guns, movie theaters, hair dye, and answering machines.


20 posted on 07/22/2012 1:26:29 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: pepsionice

I spent a year working in the UK in the late eighties, and picked up a lot of British slang. After I came home in 1990, it took years and years for me to lose the habit of using those words.

I still pop out with the occasional ‘crikey’.


21 posted on 07/22/2012 1:28:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ColdOne

I think the action necessary is to ban Hollywood from inciting riot and yelling fire in a crowded theater , It is the left in Hollywood that warp the minds of our youth with evil and they do it for money


22 posted on 07/22/2012 1:40:46 PM PDT by marygonzo
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To: ColdOne

I’d be curious to know if James’ parents knew or anticipated that he would do something like this. Obviously, James is responsible but his mother knows her son was a powder keg. “Was your son an OWS black bloc groupie?” would be a good question to ask her.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 1:48:03 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: P-Marlowe

***Obviously we need to ban comic books.****

Comic books ( movies, tv and army surplus rifles) were blamed for the two Kennedy shootings back in the 1960s.

Someone on the internet claimed to post some pages from a 1980s Batman comic in which a nut shoots up a movie theater.


24 posted on 07/22/2012 1:48:41 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Grams A
How about we let him run airport security. Maybe then some of us could return to flying.

Ain't that the truth.

Just got back from a he!! trip.

Stuck in Charlotte, spent the night in the airport.
At midnight they came through and ran all us poor boobs out of the concourses, into the ticketing area.

Why you ask?

Per:TSA you have to be screened the same day you fly.
Midnight was rollover to next day.
Hundreds of people sleeping on the floor until TSA opened for business at 4:30 AM.

I've told everyone that I'm taking all my carry on luggage to Goodwill so I'll never be tempted to fly again.

25 posted on 07/22/2012 1:51:05 PM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: Lazamataz

Who actually says “Sincerely?”


26 posted on 07/22/2012 2:02:17 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Vinnie

Thats “GOVERNMENT” for YOU! Wait till they take over Healthcare!


27 posted on 07/22/2012 2:04:55 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: JoeDetweiler

I do. I also say Cheers and Regards or even Kind Regards. Depends on who I’m writing to and the occasion for writing.


28 posted on 07/22/2012 2:05:50 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: struggle

I saw Prof Stanton Samenow on TV last night and he said this guy is most likely a criminal, sadistic sociopath, not schizophrenic.

That says it for me!

Samenow works at St Elizabeth’s (where Hinkcley was sent). I have seen Dr Samenow present in person..He has written the excellant book “The Criminal Mind”. he works with these types all the time and is well versed on this.


29 posted on 07/22/2012 2:06:52 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: ColdOne

As a very astute movie audience member stated “let’s face it, there are a few Fruit Loops out their that are going to kill regardless of the means, bombs, guns, gas whatever. You’re not going to stop this kind of thing unless you completely control ever single member of society.”

With liberty and freedom comes a certain degree of risk. Personally I’ll take that risk, thank you.


30 posted on 07/22/2012 2:14:37 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Lazamataz; ColdOne
That also struck me as very, very strange,” Rotkovich said. “Who says ‘Cheers?’”

English speakers. We find it less impertinant than "Have a nice day"

31 posted on 07/22/2012 2:17:16 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Literals will believe anything.)
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To: Scoutmaster

“Ciao Baby” probably wouldn’t go over too well either.


32 posted on 07/22/2012 2:17:16 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

There is always a well meant “have sexual congress”


33 posted on 07/22/2012 2:32:26 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Literals will believe anything.)
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To: Lazamataz

Cheers

I hated that show. Could tell Ted was a butthead, and I knew that broad was gonna get fat and fugly!


34 posted on 07/22/2012 2:34:05 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Lazamataz

Sometimes you want to go
where everybody knows your name.


35 posted on 07/22/2012 2:45:26 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Lazamataz

my neighbor says cheers

my neighbor is a leftist

Therefore holmes is a leftist?


36 posted on 07/22/2012 3:30:46 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Borderline Personality Disorder.


37 posted on 07/22/2012 4:08:43 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Lazamataz

I used to say it a lot back when I was drinking.

:)

Cheers!


38 posted on 07/22/2012 4:23:02 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: struggle

Half the pundits on FAUX News, including one female “Judge” have already convicted him of being evil. (I agree that what he did was evil.)


39 posted on 07/22/2012 4:24:55 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Election 2012- Epic Fail candidate vs Epic Fail President!)
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To: Vinnie

Sorry to hear about your misreable experience.

My line in the sand. Waiting to board flight in KC late at night with several others to return to Texas. Had already been groped once. Male Gestapo member of TSA said all of us had to be screened again because it was shift change time and there weren’t enough new people in line for them to complete their designated quota of complete searches at the beginning of each shift.

I completely lost it and didn’t care. Used to live in KC and have friends there that are attorneys. They left me until last and then waved me through saying it was because they had no female TSA agents available on that shift but they would make sure that I was screened at my destination before I was allowed to leave the boarding area. Once in the air, I talked with one of the flight attendants and the Captain and I was not rescreened in Houston but did walk out with them.

Neither I nor any member of my family will fly again until TSA is gone. If we can’t drive, we just won’t go. All of my business clients in other cities understand and are very supportive of my decision.


40 posted on 07/22/2012 4:27:42 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: netmilsmom

I think what we know of his history clearly points to Schizoid Personality Disorder possibly progressing into Delayed Adolescent-Onset Schizophrenia. Borderline Personality Disorder, OTOH, would ordinarily involve a lengthy history of stormy interpersonal conflicts and contacts with social agencies and/or law enforcement with impulsive acts (this episode seemed to be anything but impulsive as it was planned for months). This guy was just a “different” sort: a loner. Obviously the act itself involves sociopathic behavior. Whatever his correct diagnosis I do believe his ability to understand right and wrong was intact, although possibly distorted. His telephone message seems just like one a guy I knew in high school and college would make; that guy committed suicide after becoming increasingly more bizarre and being diagnosed as schizophrenic. He would do things like come and bang on my dorm room door late at night for no reason and giggling like The Joker.


41 posted on 07/22/2012 4:29:20 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
"...I knew that broad was gonna get fat and fugly!"

Yikes!

42 posted on 07/22/2012 4:57:35 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: steve86

>>involve a lengthy history of stormy interpersonal conflicts and contacts with social agencies and/or law enforcement with impulsive acts <<

My sister is diagnosed with BPD. Short of a suicide attempt or rather a fake one that she told a friend about, she has never had contact with social agencies nor law enforcement.

My SIL as well. Never in trouble. The big thing about BPD patients is they refuse to believe their diagnosis. They just walk away from it. No follow up, no post care. If it’s an adult, even the parents can’t do anything to help. In most states, they can only be held for three days in a Ward.

They KNOW how to play people, they are quiet and dangerous. They cling when they need to and are easy to come up with a past that fits their plans.

I worked Psych. I saw lots of them as well. P/S are easy to work with as long as they stay on their med and don’t drink away their monthly Prolixin depot. BPD patients are the planners. As long as their end task is at hand, (like stalking someone) they will do whatever it takes to complete it.


43 posted on 07/22/2012 5:28:46 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: ozzymandus; Lazamataz

>> “And you wonder why so many people think you’re a psycho, Laz?” <<

.
Most of us do not think he is a psycho.

We think he is a funny guy that we enjoy having around; what do you imagine we think of those that exist to attack our friends?
.


44 posted on 07/22/2012 5:45:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: BobL

>> “Seems to me that the “Gun Lobby” figured this guy out pretty quickly” <<

.
They keep those ‘useful idiots’ in store for when they need them to influence public opinion, just like the guy in Tucson that assassinated the judge, and Tim McVey, and they’re always liberals, or had you noticed?


45 posted on 07/22/2012 5:51:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor; ozzymandus

Dude, I think ozzy was jokin’. Holster that weapon. ;)


46 posted on 07/22/2012 5:52:51 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I hate the Universe, and it hates me.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

>> “ I knew that broad was gonna get fat and fugly!” <<

.
Shelly?

She got skinny and old looking.


47 posted on 07/22/2012 5:56:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Lazamataz

So many of our old timers here have gone bad lately, I must be getting flinchy.


48 posted on 07/22/2012 6:00:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Shelly?”

No! not her! The other one that so many guys thought was hot! Her pic is in post#42


49 posted on 07/22/2012 6:21:04 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: ColdOne
What I haven't seen is any mention of who bankrolled this guy. I've seen figures from $8K to almost $20K for his gear. How did an unemployed graduate student get that kid of money?

Leads one to suspect this might be a false flag operation. Reichstag fire, anyone?

50 posted on 07/22/2012 6:47:52 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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