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WH gets unexpected backup: Romney camp says it's a penalty, not a tax
Politico ^ | 7-2-12 | DONOVAN SLACK

Posted on 07/02/2012 7:12:19 AM PDT by raulgomez05

Prominent Dems including White House chief of staff Jack Lew and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi have repeatedly argued in recent days that the fee for not buying insurance under the health care law is in fact a penalty and not a tax.

They got support from an unexpected quarter on Monday: the Romney campaign.

Mitt Romney's senior adviser Eric Fehrnstrom told Chuck Todd on MSNBC's Daily Rundown that he agrees - the fee is a penalty and not a tax, as the Supreme Court ruled last week.

"The governor disagreed with the ruling of the court," Fehrnstrom said. "He agreed with the dissent that was written by Justice [Antonin] Scalia, which very clearly stated that the mandate was not a tax."

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The tax attack is dead now that Romney disagrees with it.
1 posted on 07/02/2012 7:12:21 AM PDT by raulgomez05
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bullsht, this Politico spinning for its master


2 posted on 07/02/2012 7:13:45 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: raulgomez05

The problem is, if it’s a tax for purposes of the courts it stands.

If it is not a tax for the purpose of legislative repeal, it stands.

It seems that the Alinsky-ites are going to ram this home and force it on us, no matter what.


3 posted on 07/02/2012 7:15:31 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: raulgomez05
This has sinister implications for Rodney's "Repeal and Replace" scheme.

We do not want it "replaced," Rodney.

We want government OUT of health care.

Tort reform, interstate sales of health insurance, and privatization will solve all the problems.

Government only knows how to create problems.

4 posted on 07/02/2012 7:15:55 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: raulgomez05

IMHO, the issue before us still stands: The need to get a last-choice RINO to be president, along with the most conservative House/Senate as possible to lead our top RINO. He’ll act and say stuck-on-stupid RINO things along the way, but he must defeat zer0, and then conservatives put aside boner and mcconnell, and lead Romeny and force the agenda.


5 posted on 07/02/2012 7:17:41 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: raulgomez05
romney is acting just like mccain... he is NOT supposed to win and he is acting like it.

LLS

6 posted on 07/02/2012 7:19:51 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: raulgomez05

Hi Noobie. I don’t read Politiho.

Romney agrees with the dissent. So do I. Obama and the Democrats have created a new monster—A PENALTY TAX. The federal government will now tax you for anything you do or don’t do.


7 posted on 07/02/2012 7:20:03 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Perdogg
bullsht, this Politico spinning for its master

If you quote Mitt Romney you don't have to spin.

8 posted on 07/02/2012 7:20:07 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income. Starve the beast.)
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To: raulgomez05

It’s a Breath Mint! It’s a Candy Mint! It’s Two Mints in One!


9 posted on 07/02/2012 7:20:52 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: raulgomez05
"The governor disagreed with the ruling of the court," Fehrnstrom said. "He agreed with the dissent that was written by Justice [Antonin] Scalia, which very clearly stated that the mandate was not a tax."

And if it is not a tax, then it is unconstitutional. Roberts hung his hat on the taxing power to justify his decision--not the Commerce clause.

It really isn't a tax the way the Congress passed it and it is exempt from the anti-Injunction Act. Roberts engaged in sophistry.

10 posted on 07/02/2012 7:21:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: raulgomez05

This is spin by the author.

if Romney say it’s a tax thn he is agreeing with the Court liberals.

if Romney says its a penalty, he’s agreeing with Scalia, Thomas and most of us who believe its a coercive tool of tyranny.

He can still use the tax hike argument as long as he provides the caveat that its a tax per the Left of the Court.


11 posted on 07/02/2012 7:22:04 AM PDT by Jake8898
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To: raulgomez05

Who cares what anyone calls it? Roberts said it was a tax, congress can do whatever the heck it wants to, and it is “constitutional”. All we have to do is elect the people on our side and hope they won’t screw us over. It’s in our hands right? /sarcasm


12 posted on 07/02/2012 7:22:20 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: raulgomez05

This is spin by the author.

if Romney say it’s a tax thn he is agreeing with the Court liberals.

if Romney says its a penalty, he’s agreeing with Scalia, Thomas and most of us who believe its a coercive tool of tyranny.

He can still use the tax hike argument as long as he provides the caveat that its a tax per the Left of the Court.


13 posted on 07/02/2012 7:22:57 AM PDT by Jake8898
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To: raulgomez05

I don’t really consider that a boost for Obamugabe. We disagree with SCOTUS because it kept the mandate. Even if we disagree with their reasoning (which we do) the fact of the matter is the DeathCare law was upheld ONLY on the basis of Congressional power to tax.

So Politico can kiss Obamugabe’s backside all it likes—Romney’s plan all along was to kill it via reconciliation.


14 posted on 07/02/2012 7:23:04 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: raulgomez05

I don’t really consider that a boost for Obamugabe. We disagree with SCOTUS because it kept the mandate. Even if we disagree with their reasoning (which we do) the fact of the matter is the DeathCare law was upheld ONLY on the basis of Congressional power to tax.

So Politico can kiss Obamugabe’s backside all it likes—Romney’s plan all along was to kill it via reconciliation.


15 posted on 07/02/2012 7:24:09 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: KansasGirl

Romney’s senior adviser Eric Fehrnstrom is quoted as saying it’s not a tax. Instead of guessing that Romney disagrees with his senior adviser, then show me where Romney contradicted him, or call for this senior adviser’s resignation for saying things with which Romney disagrees.


16 posted on 07/02/2012 7:24:31 AM PDT by raulgomez05
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
We do not want it "replaced," Rodney. We want government OUT of health care.

True. And voting won't do the job.

If we want to get the government out of our affairs, we have to stop putting our money into the government.

Unfortunately that would require more than most people are willing to do: retire early, deliberately lower income, or outright refuse to pay taxes and face the legal repercussions.

17 posted on 07/02/2012 7:25:11 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income. Starve the beast.)
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To: raulgomez05

It will be defined by the day and need that the elites want. If they say it is a tax today, it still can be a fee tomorrow. The elites think you will believe any thing they will tell you no matter if is changes every hour.


18 posted on 07/02/2012 7:25:29 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Why is it Politico’s fault that Romney’s senior adviser said something and they quoted him?


19 posted on 07/02/2012 7:25:38 AM PDT by raulgomez05
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To: raulgomez05
What foolishness.If it's mandated by law and collected by the Infernal Revenue Service it's a tax.Full stop! Romney knows that,the voters know that.This is a non-issue and Politico,a wholly owned subsidiary of the Rat Party,is just doing Headquarters’ bidding in publishing the “story”.
20 posted on 07/02/2012 7:26:20 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: raulgomez05; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”Mitt Romney's senior adviser Eric Fehrnstrom told Chuck Todd on MSNBC’s Daily Rundown that he agrees - the fee is a penalty and not a tax, as the Supreme Court ruled last week.
“The governor disagreed with the ruling of the court,” Fehrnstrom said. “He agreed with the dissent that was written by Justice [Antonin] Scalia, which very clearly stated that the mandate was not a tax.

Who??

Romney's problem is he is on youtube saying that his MA mandate was not a tax. So how can he call this a tax?
Pitfalls of a RINO

21 posted on 07/02/2012 7:27:47 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

if Romney “knows” this is a tax he should contradict his senior adviser.


22 posted on 07/02/2012 7:28:32 AM PDT by raulgomez05
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To: raulgomez05

Romney agrees with the dissenting opinion as do I and most other FReepers. ROMNEY PROMISES TO REPEAL THE LAW! That’s all I need to know. Now, get lost Obama shill.


23 posted on 07/02/2012 7:29:22 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl

I never said Romney disagreed with the dissent, dummy.


24 posted on 07/02/2012 7:30:28 AM PDT by raulgomez05
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To: raulgomez05
I believe they have clips of Romney making the same arguments about Romneycare and his mandate that Obama has made about Obamacare. He really has nothing to say on Obamacare which is one of the reasons he was the worst choice this time around.
25 posted on 07/02/2012 7:32:42 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: raulgomez05

You must be an 0bama supporter for pushing Politico’s out of context garbage.

Politico is an 0bamatron mewspaper.


26 posted on 07/02/2012 7:33:58 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: raulgomez05

They got support from an unexpected quarter on Monday: the Romney campaign.
__________________________________________

LOL

No not unexpected...

youre speaking of Willard of RomneyCare after all..


27 posted on 07/02/2012 7:34:58 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
We want government OUT of health care.

Actually that is the very best solution. All US government out of health in every way. Let the market do it. There will be a period of adjustment but ultimately such an approach will succeed.

28 posted on 07/02/2012 7:36:54 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Defy by silence)
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To: Perdogg
bullsht, this Politico spinning for its master

Anybody who believes Romney will do anything to bolster republican ideas is living in a dream world. He will do nothing but support dem positions where ever he finds them...just take an honest look at his history. Campaign to the right lead to the far left...He and his family are dem through and through, for some strange reason he just stuck rep. in front of his name. No way is he going to anything against Romneycare and Obamacare is built on his blueprint....he will never attack his own legacy of leading this country down the path of socialism.

29 posted on 07/02/2012 7:37:27 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: ConservativeDude
The problem is, if it’s a tax for purposes of the courts it stands.

If it is not a tax for the purpose of legislative repeal, it stands.

It seems that the Alinsky-ites are going to ram this home and force it on us, no matter what.

"Heads I win, tails you lose."

30 posted on 07/02/2012 7:39:11 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Perdogg

Agreed. I think this adviser said that Romney agreed with Scalia and not Roberts and Politico is trying to spin that.


31 posted on 07/02/2012 7:40:35 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lady Heron

How is your statement relevant the conversation?


32 posted on 07/02/2012 7:40:52 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: raulgomez05

ObamaCare won’t go away unless We the People go yank it out by the roots. Personally. Nobody in DC will unring that bell.
The whole deal is simply too good for them


33 posted on 07/02/2012 7:42:10 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Labyrinthos

Right.

And mostly this will leave Republicans scratching their heads wondering just how they got snookered so easily


34 posted on 07/02/2012 7:42:33 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

BTTT!


35 posted on 07/02/2012 7:43:50 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: raulgomez05
Penalties should be enacted only for actual wrong doing.
I like the fact that it's now legally a tax, but it's wrong to use the tax code for punitive purposes.
Due Process and personal freedom is completely forgotten.
And the WH is not listening.
The fact that the Supreme Court have now changed the meaning of the law, matters not at all to those who had no intention of following the law in the first place.
Remember, they're all lawyers, twisting law is their profession.

36 posted on 07/02/2012 7:43:50 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Rapscallion

yes, but there has to be a law passed in Congress to allow interstate portability of insurance. Romney is in favor of this.

Goverment can implement policies to allow free market choices.


37 posted on 07/02/2012 7:45:10 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: bmwcyle
From the article:

"While Fehrnstrom diverged from that line of attack, he took issue with President Obama's various positions on the tax vs. penalty issue, saying that Obama first said it wasn't a tax to get it through Congress, then argued at the Supreme Court that it was, before switching again and arguing that it wasn't."

38 posted on 07/02/2012 7:52:47 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Calvin Coolidge - "Patriotism is looking out for yourself by looking out for your Country.")
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To: raulgomez05
if Romney “knows” this is a tax he should contradict his senior adviser.

The point is that this issue is irrelevant to the campaign.The voters know that they don't like OsamaObamaCare for many reason...one of which is that it's gonna cost them very serious $$$$.It doesn't matter whether they call it a skunk or a weasel...it's still wildly unpopular and that's all that matters.

39 posted on 07/02/2012 7:54:04 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: Tennessee Nana
LOL No not unexpected... youre speaking of Willard of RomneyCare after all..

You're faulting Romney for agreeing with the conservatives on the court?

What would you have said if he agreed with the liberals on the court?

40 posted on 07/02/2012 7:56:29 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: torchthemummy

They think we are all uneducated fools.


41 posted on 07/02/2012 7:56:44 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: raulgomez05

Agreed. That was a foolish thing for the Romney-bot to do.

Romney now sez....

“I promise to take action to repeal Obamacare the first day I am in office...in my SECOND term.”


42 posted on 07/02/2012 7:57:56 AM PDT by moovova
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To: raulgomez05

Nonsense. This is nothing more than the Romney camp repeating Krauthammer’s assessment.

The bottom line is, IF the obummercare stands, it is a tax. Getting away from that reality helps zero.


43 posted on 07/02/2012 7:59:01 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: raulgomez05

Politico is a RAT controlled site, F*** them, all connected to Soros.


44 posted on 07/02/2012 8:00:07 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: raulgomez05
Sorry RATS, you cannot have it both ways. It is either a tax or if not, the SCOTUS opinion is invalid. Also what about the decision on day one of the SCOTUS oral arguments that said the mandate was NOT a "tax" - if it were a tax the SCOTUS would not have even been able to hear the lawsuit.

The Anti-Injunction Act
Mar 24, 2012 4:45 AM EDT As the health-care law goes before the Supreme Court, there’s an 1867 statute that could end the constitutional debate—for now. How the Anti-Injunction Act might end the argument....
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...That issue arises from a longstanding federal law called the Anti-Injunction Act. Enacted in 1867, the law provides that “no suit for the purpose of restraining the assessment or collection of any tax shall be maintained in any court by any person.” If you think the IRS has imposed a tax on you improperly, you must first pay the tax and then request a refund from the IRS. Only then can you file a lawsuit challenging the tax.

This SCOTUS ruling just cost the SCOTUS validity in the court of public opinion.
45 posted on 07/02/2012 8:09:48 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: raulgomez05
F'ing Moron!!

So now Obamah & Romney will both agree that the Supreme Court got it wrong?

Figures....

46 posted on 07/02/2012 8:12:01 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Lady Lucky
If you quote Mitt Romney you don't have to spin.

Excellent!

47 posted on 07/02/2012 8:15:00 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If you quote Mitt Romney you don't have to spin.- Lady Lucky)
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To: TexasCajun
F'ing Moron!! So now Obamah & Romney will both agree that the Supreme Court got it wrong? Figures....

Almost every single conservative in America, except you apparently, agrees that the Supreme Court got it wrong.

Obama's position is that the Supreme Court got it right. But they still don't want to call it a tax for political reasons, so they just won't.

"How many divisions does Judge Roberts have?"

48 posted on 07/02/2012 8:30:34 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: raulgomez05; Jim Robinson; ConjunctionJunction; Al B.; SolidWood; Leisler; greyfoxx39; ...
Has there been any time when Mr. RomneyCARE
did NOT defend Obama? from TARP to Sharia to Soros.

ROMNEY = OBAMA


49 posted on 07/02/2012 8:32:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

Ebony And Ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard oh lord why don't we?
We all know that people are the same where ever you go

50 posted on 07/02/2012 8:39:50 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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