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The Dangerous Self-Delusion of Some Conservatives
markamerica.com ^ | June 30. 2012 | Mark America

Posted on 06/30/2012 10:23:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: CharacterCounts
If ABO stands for anybody but Obama, why are you not satisfied unless the person votes for Romney?

Because, anybody in the GOP slot would have been better than Obama.

But at the moment Romney's our only chance to get ABO.

421 posted on 07/02/2012 10:03:55 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Gene Eric
I think you're kind of missing the point. So many are one-tracked into thinking only in terms of "getting rid of Obama." That's the premise of how ABO views the whole thing -- and it is a horribly flawed premise. It needs to be dropped in order to see the truth outside the envelope.

Obama wears the scarier mask, but the end results of Obama OR Romney are seeing our rights and freedoms trampled under amoral government tyranny. Whether or not Obama or Romney wins is not the point; one of them is going to win and many of us understand that those who demand we "choose" one or the other are along the lines of those who insist there's a profound difference between Coke and Pepsi that surely any wise consumer should be mindful of in "choosing."

Kneejerk reaction, after decades of thinking Republican = friend, Democrat = enemy, is to shrink back and say, "Why, you can't say that! They're totally different!" But I am sad to say, that is mistaken in 2012. Witness those otherwise moral folks willing to vote FOR a politician who has been responsible, for one example, for forcing adoption agencies to relinquish the innocents in their care to homosexual couples, as Romney has, because that is somehow "better" than voting for Obama. They are in essence arguing that there's a big difference between Coke and Pepsi.

We cannot vote against either Obama or Romney because in elections, you cannot vote "against" -- you can only vote FOR.

I will vote FOR making whichever guy wins as weak as possible, and I will do that by voting third party, my vote FOR weakening the mandate of the victor by splitting the vote into a plurality. Indeed, it is the only way I can in good conscience to God and America, vote in 2012. That it may or may not work is a Hail Mary Pass, but from where I'm sitting, it's the only option, and as it happens, the best one due to the unusual circumstances of extreme low regard for Obama among those who supported him four years ago.

Please ponder seriously the real world consequences of a Romney landslide, and ask yourself: Which has a better chance of preserving liberty -- an embattled, humiliated Obama against an empowered Republican/conserative Congress, or a "popular mandate" landslide progressive Romney supported by moderate Republicans, the GOP-E, and Democrats against Republicans who are conservative?

You are thinking in terms of ABO. I am thinking in terms of doing whatever it takes to prevent a Romney landslide, because ABOers' votes "against" Obama wouldn't mean a damned thing -- they would only be votes FOR Romney, and that referendum "against" Obama would very quickly morph into a popular-demand mandate FOR Romney's progressivism. What you vote FOR is the ONLY thing that counts.

422 posted on 07/02/2012 11:18:48 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: BlackElk


423 posted on 07/03/2012 5:44:36 AM PDT by GailA (IF U don't/won't keep your promises to the Military, U won't keep them to the public)
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To: BlackElk

Now is a time of choosing slavery for temporary pseudo peace or Freedom. We are in the same position our Founders were in and found intolerable. Both parties have their hands in the cookie jar, and do not have the interest of the USA at heart. Only their own greed and interest.

We voted the RINOS in because we drank the gop koolaide that the lesser of 2 EVILS was the better choice. A slower loss of Freedom and death panels, maybe, but NOT the better choice. EVIL is never the better choice. 2 Evils is still EVIL.

424 posted on 07/03/2012 5:53:08 AM PDT by GailA (IF U don't/won't keep your promises to the Military, U won't keep them to the public)
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“Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower

“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”
Thomas Jefferson


425 posted on 07/03/2012 6:26:40 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: GailA
Top pic ... makes me think of a Cowboy shooter and Cowboy Church preacher I know who goes by the name Colton Cross. {^)

He's a wonderful preacher. I've seen brave, manly, gnarled, rough old veterans covertly wiping away tears during his sermons.

426 posted on 07/03/2012 7:16:23 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Gene Eric; Finny; EternalVigilance; GailA; narses; NYer; Dr. Sivana; wagglebee; little jeremiah
Gene Eric:

You appear to be smoking crack if you think that worshiping Myth Romney on your knees and even VOTING for your leftist baby-killing, marriage destroying, gun grabbing, government expanding, tax-raping, job-destroying, $$$ obsessive, elitist idjit POS Romney will do ANYTHING positive for the babies, for "small government," for Western Civilization, for actual conservatism or even for any genuine form of libertarianism (other than Myth being a confirmed social revolutionary enemy of Western Civilization which often seems to be a "libertarian" priority).

Let's brush the foam off the beer. You are what and whom you support. You lust for Myth Romney and persistently proclaim your enthusiasm to vote for him. As my wise old grandmother (and probably yours) used to say: Show me your friends and I'll tell you what you are.

Cowering in a dark corner somewhere and being horrified and terrified of the incumbent POS is no excuse for actively supporting your leftist babykilling, church persecuting, faggot everything coddling, gun grabbing, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum ad nauseam pseudo-"Republican" POS Myth Romney. If and when he may be elected, have your supply of asbestos undies available for each and every instance in which your sorry SOB makes a policy decision of ANY sort because the actual conservatives here will NEVER let you forget that you are personally responsible as a Myth Romney sycophant.

My position is that NEITHER Obozo nor Myth Romney should be elected. Both have a tried and true track record for persecuting Roman Catholicism (the Church to which I belong) and each and every other pro-life and socially conservative religion. That's quite enough for me and trumps the thousands of other issues on which BOTH of them are utterly unacceptable. If you don't agree, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution whatever it may please you to hallucinate.

Therefore, whatever you may hallucinate, I want each and every Catholic, each and every member of each and every other socially conservative and pro-life church, and, indeed, each and every freedom-loving and conservative citizen to vote against BOTH of them. You are sucking up to Romney. I hate both of them equally.

I will not vote for Caligula even if his opponent is Nero or Diocletian or Hitler or Stalin or Chairman Mao and vice versa across the board.

IF either of these two enemies of God and of the human race and of Western Civilization is said to have been elected, the other will be finished and then we will RESIST the winner to the max until he is finished.

RESISTING Obozo is easier than resisting Romney because such renowned cowards and spaghetti spines as McConnell, Cornyn, Graham, McCain, Corker, Alexander, Cochrane, Chambliss, Isakson, Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy and a host of other "Republicans" in Congress have to and will not justify RESISTING the GOP potential $$$ King Romney and they would be far more likely to resist Obozo (not that you can depend upon ANY of them any more than actual conservatives can in futuro depend on this election season's other Romneybots for anything of importance).

427 posted on 07/03/2012 12:21:17 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk

>> You appear to be smoking crack

And you really expect me to take you seriously?

>> You lust for Myth Romney

You recklessly spread falsehoods.

Your tacit support for the Marxist Obama stands.


428 posted on 07/03/2012 1:00:24 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: dead
Pissing and moaning about it on the internet won't accomplish anything.

You're right, we should write a nice letter to our non-representative representatives. Then go vote for all these fine conservatives who've done such a good job over the past 10 years.


429 posted on 07/03/2012 1:07:31 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Finny

>> those who insist there’s a profound difference between Coke and Pepsi

Curious analogy. I used to drink Pepsi up until I learned it was doing business with a firm that uses aborted fetal taste receptors in research. I hope you’re not consuming Pepsi products.

>> Please ponder seriously the real world consequences of a Romney landslide, and ask yourself: Which has a better chance of preserving liberty

It’s an interesting strategy, and I appreciate the candor and detail. Ultimately, however, others will be deciding who gets seated, so I’m confused about the effective value of the third party vote other than providing a sense of involvement. If a deadlock is the goal, then one should vote for Obama according to plan.

I don’t completely agree with your thinking, Finny, but I hope you continue to evangelize your strategy; it’s worthy of our attention.


430 posted on 07/03/2012 3:23:00 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: rogue yam

If Mitt really, truly wanted to be less liberal then why in blazes did he run for governor of Gaytaxachusetts?


431 posted on 07/03/2012 9:40:46 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Finny

Your Ron Paul, or Virgil Goode, or whoever, “oar” won’t even tickle the “ship of state” as though, as in European systems, the vote were for a party which will get proportional representation.


432 posted on 07/03/2012 9:44:56 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Gene Eric

Pepsi jettisoned the Semtyx (?) fetal kidney cell “taste testing.” It sounded like an oversold, immature technology anyhow — none of these cells are going to be able to report back that yes, this sample tastes like authentic Pepsi or no, it doesn’t. Try culturing some taste buds if you want to get closer to that....

So I drink Pepsi products again sans guilt.


433 posted on 07/03/2012 9:48:55 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Good to know.


434 posted on 07/03/2012 10:39:07 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper
If Mitt really, truly wanted to be less liberal then why in blazes did he run for governor of Gaytaxachusetts?

Uh...because he lived there for decades, had his business there, and raised his family there?

435 posted on 07/03/2012 10:51:26 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: BlackElk; All

Salve

My dear friends, so many discussions, so many disagreements, I would like to make one very important statement: God is more conservative then we are, why?

Because he created us, and in funny way created other beautiful thing too, (Hold my drink, Brother :}}})

In serious note, this is chess game, much smarter, more elusive and more .. it acts as normal, yes friends I am talking absolute fight of fight.

True Conservative is humble, meek, God is his way of life, family is his feet, morality is his eyes, love is heart, and fight is his sword. Who lives by rules of rules, true conservative doesn’t cry, is not pessimistic, is not hinge by obstacles, true conservative lives and learns from history, of course for some is still Samson option, at the end what the outcome is? Once true conservative is pushed to a limit, then it is fight for life. At the end true Conservatives gives life to God in absolute trust. Why? Who is like God?

If soldiers or others were debating, should we fight, should we ask lawyers or should we know if this in proper way of doing things, therefore no intent of shall be giving, or will judge think that I am in content, rather should I explain to use my gear not to offend my enemy, or did I just fort, is that legal, or should I asked some blond fake bimbo on TV of suppose legal expert what she thinks? Please, give it rest o.k friends. Enemy is using your emotions, laws against you, what enemy doesn’t like is – being hit back, they living on fear, soon you have to realize things are going out of the bond. Not only in your country, it is all over the place, like hell gates are just wide open.

True conservative or any person with logic, doesn’t divide your own house, but stands up and moves accordingly. I can’t tell you what to do , I am in this distress that enemy is reading your divisions, and calculated their moves..

Bring enemy on your turf, and hit it hard, not in words, actions. While many believe it is sinking ship, some out of blue will step in to safe those they can. As I have written, fighter doesn’t give up, believes and moves on in chess game for check mate. We are all adults, this is your house, I can only give you scenario of analogy, what you will do with it, only you can do it. Don’t divide yourselves.

There is one thing in this life I despise totally – pessimism and apathy. Debates are great, once they are in emotions then is no debate, for it is abated. Logic has left the building.

Merci.


436 posted on 07/07/2012 9:16:52 PM PDT by MCSP2008 (Romanian native > ESL)
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