Posted on 06/30/2012 10:23:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
>> a logical answer.
I make my living in logic, but I’m also married.
Romney = Obama Lite?!
bfl
I don't.
Not voting at all at the top of the ticket (I assume that's what you mean by "blank") is the equivalent of being nothing, gone, disappeared, non-existent. Each vote is like an oar in the water of a huge ship. Not voting is withdrawing your oar (so to speak) and not using it at all when you're called upon to help set the course for this ship of state.
I believe that informed folks like us have a DUTY to vote, even when we don't want to. To go blank at the top of the ticket while voting down-ticket would be, to me, a dereliction of duty. Men didn't fight and die for us to suddenly become non-existent at the ballot box.
Enough third party votes -- official ones, not myriad write-ins that could easily invalidate those ballots on the slightest pretense, but marking the ballot at the top of the ticket for any name other than Romney or Obama so that is officially counted in the final tally, would mean VOLUMES to both God and man. VOLUMES.
To God, it would mean that we feared Him more than we feared a mere mortal Obama, and to God it would mean that we loved Him more than we loved our illusions of "pragmatism."
To man, it would mean one more oar's pulling power away from a leftward course, because both Obama AND Romney are heading left.
The term "voting against" is a euphemism for "voting FOR this in order to prevent THAT from winning." Mathematically, there is NO SUCH THING as voting "against," a fact instinctively grasped by those so disheartened that they are willing to just not vote at all at the top of the ticket. When we vote, we can only vote FOR something; the problem with voting FOR Romney in order to vote "against" Obama, is that we'd end up with Romney and those who voted for him to vote "against" Obama would learn, one year into a Romney term, that the only thing that counts is what they voted FOR, because Obama and ABO would be ancient history.
A third party vote has the power to split the end numbers into a plurality that would necessarily weaken the victor. Witness Bill Clinton, whose 43% plurality meant a full 57% of voters essentially thought he stunk. Two years later, Clinton was steamrolled by the Republican Revolution in Congress; the Republican Revolution would probably never have happened if Clinton had won with a majority or if HW had won.
A third party vote forfeits having any voice in influencing whether Obama or Romney wins -- the vote is absolutely neutral on that front, mathematically and materially. HOWEVER, a third party vote at the top of the ticket is the ONLY way you can use that vote to help the conservatives you've voted for down-ticket. Enough third party votes could potentially make it so whichever menace wins, Romney or Obama, takes office with it ON RECORD that nearly two in three Americans rejected him. If the winner happened to be Obama, Obama would be deeply humiliated, scorned, mocked, and vulnerable, especially as the dynamics for Conservatives would be immeasurably strengthened in the Republican party as moderates saw Romney LOSE.
So in fact, a blank or third party vote would mean CONSIDERABLE to both God and man.
I have a responsibility to vote, even at the top of the ticket. I will be voting FOR a plurality, and the only way I can do that is to vote for an official, on-the-ballot third party candidate.
Absolutely wonderful post.
I want whichever authoritarian government statist who wins, Obama or Romney, to be as weak and vulnerable as possible. In order to vote for that, I must forfeit any influence over which of the two menaces wins, but the pay-off is that my on-the-ballot official third-party vote (guaranteed not to disqualify my ballot, as a write-in might) will count toward a split vote plurality, and a plurality win will weaken and hurt the next president -- a good thing since either one is an enemy of freedom and limited government conservatism.
As a matter of strategy, I will be voting FOR a plurality. It's the ONLY way I can use my vote at the top of the ticket to help all the conservatives I'll be voting for down-ticket.
It sounds nice but it is mistaken. The hard cold truth is you're HIRING a new one. No matter how much you wish it was simply firing the old guy, no matter how much you wish you could vote against Obama, you and every American who votes lacks that option -- you can only vote FOR a different candidate to prevent Obama from winning. The price of Romney, especially risking a Romney landslide which would quickly morph from "firing Obama" into a "popular mandate for Romney's progressive style of governing" -- is so steep and so risky as to be a losing proposition.
Yet every one of us here has a duty to vote. There is a better, smarter, alternative: forfeit any influence in deciding Coke over Pepsi, and vote for a plurality to weaken the victory of whichever menace wins, as either way a menace is going to be in the White House. That is what I will be doing by voting third party at the top of the ticket in order to help all the conservatives I'll be voting for down-ticket.
We all should be more afraid of the message that would be perceived if we elected Romney on a landslide.
Because it would be perceived as a popular mandate for all of Romney's liberalism. Just ask English FReeper gzzimlich what happens when a "conservative" party starts rationalizing abandoning its principles in the name of voting for the "lesser of two evils."
“JR - the worst part is that even if ObamaCare is repealed - the legal precedent is still there that the taxing power can be used to coerce social behavior and manadatory purchases of good and services from private companies as dicatated by the Govt under force of law.
What Roberts did yesterday was “FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM’ the USA as we knew it.
Many people have no idea the disaster Roberts unleashed”
That’s a good post. I thought almost the same things. However you put it really well into words. some morons even here are telling me that I”m being negative! lol what idiots.
No, what you are confused about is your wild hallucination that Romney is one whit better than Obozo except for Muffie's trust fund and contracts and taxpayer money for Myth's cronies. The tyranny will be the same and only that handful of spoiled rich brat cronies (D or R) will differ.
Furthermore, Myth Romney's nomination is quite enough of a disaster for the GOP and America. His election would deprive the USA of a future and the GOP of any pretense of relevance.
By posting on FR, you pose as a conservative. You may even imagine that you are a conservative. Supporting Myth Romney, lifelong leftist spoiled brat is no better than supporting his father Brainwashed George, Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller, John Vliet Lindsay (who at least was honest enough to formally register as a Demonrat), Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (who left the GOP being driven out as Myth should have been), Lincoln Chaffee (ditto), and the rest of the spoiled leftist brat set who still infest some minor sectors of the "GOP." See spoiled little witch (sp.?) Christie Todd ("It's My Party, too!) Whitman.
Not satisfied that this monied trash has an ancestral preference (Civil War era???) for great, great, great, grand daddy's ancestral party, you are eager to elect one to be POTUS.
For folks like you, there is good news of a minor sort rising in the fashionable hills of Northwest Connecticut. Its bame is State Senator Andrew Roraback. Its family includes a famously successful ancestor who was state GOP chairman when, in the 1920s the CT GOP controlled about 325 of 350 seats in the CT General Assembly and a cousin or aunt, Katie Roraback, a major trial attorney for the ACLU, the Black Panther murder defendants at New Haven, and all things fashionably communist. Leftist excuse for a former GOP Congresswoman Nancy Johnson is just soooooo excited over Andrew Roraback who gets sexually excited over abortion, protection of faggotry posing as marriage and just about every other fashionable social cause (in his social set of Yale alumni of the early 1990s. Lowell Weicker will probably see Roraback as a potential vindication of Lowell Weicker.
In a now all too familiar scenario, Roraback, funded by obscene amounts of GOP-E $$$, is opposed by Linda Wilson Foley (pretty blonde ostensible Catholic but a babykilling enthusiast) who is otherwise conservative and supported by former Governor Jailbird John Rowland (a turncoat on the babies to please the GOP-E lest he be regarded as tooooo Catholic) and who is being investigated by another federal grand jury and two other conservatives. Guess who is favored. Clue: GOP-E scumbag. But, hey, that's the kind of GOP you want or you would know better than to support Myth Romney for anything but federal prison.
I know a lot of things you don't know. Have you stocked up on those asbestos undies yet???
If you loved CJ John Roberts' craven sellout last Thursday (Oh, if I don't save Obozocare, I will actually be CRITICIZED!!!), just wait until you see the trash that Romney will appoint to huzzahs and greetings from the brainless in the GOP Senate caucus.
No one will ever be able to credibly accuse Myth Romney of any sellouts, craven or otherwise, because he never believed in a single legitimately conservative principle in his utterly useless life. Romney = Obozo =Moloch = Obozo = Romney = same old POS, etc.
Somehow, I have every faith in JimRob that this website and his soul are not for sale. That crappy line of yours may intimidate spineless GOP-Es whom you enthusiastically support like Myth Romney. It does not begin to reach actual conservatives.
Ride the lightning, each and every one of you who have so little principle as to support Obozo in whiteface with an R after its name.
See #391, quisling.
I read your tagline. So, you are supporting the ‘all or nothing man’. Well, within three years the people will see what results from such a position. Sadly, we should have seen what Hoefling’s all or nothing means in the abortion issues, since he was even opposed to the partial birth abortion ban because it did not ban all abortions. Now we get to see that same all or nothing applied to allow little barry bastard commie to continue in power, with the accompanying gaggle of holderesque thugs and their globalist agenda.
There is nothing positive as to what Roberts did. Its a disaster beyond words.
The only thing though I think might happen though is that Obama will have a far weaker hand in trying to repeal the Bush tax cuts now that we know the truth about ObamaCare.
unkus:
Somehow, I have every faith in JimRob that this website and his soul are not for sale. That crappy line of yours may intimidate spineless GOP-Es whom you enthusiastically support like Myth Romney. It does not begin to reach actual conservatives.
Ride the lightning, each and every one of you who have so little principle as to support Obozo in whiteface with an R after its name.
I said this and you make statements like that?
Well it >is< paid for by donations.
unkus:
Somehow, I have every faith in JimRob that this website and his soul are not for sale. That crappy line of yours may intimidate spineless GOP-Es whom you enthusiastically support like Myth Romney. It does not begin to reach actual conservatives.
You sure like to kiss certain people’s a$$.
This is the key to evaluating a hypothetical Romney Presidency.
The Mitt Haters claim to be certain that Romney is a genuine leftist only pretending to be more conservative. They say that Romney's "default shape" (as you put it) is collectivistic.
I disagree.
You call this "self delusion", I call it "my opinion".
Even if this is true, it is certainly also true that Obama is not a conservative. What else is almost certainly true is that either Romney or Obama will win the election in November.
So the claim that Romney is not a conservative does not answer the real question which is "Will America, more likely than not, be substantially better off with Romney elected in November rather than Obama?"
I think the obvious answer to this question is "Yes." whatever label you apply to Romney.
If you genuinely believe what you say here then this is a stupid thing to believe.
If you are saying something you do not believe to be true (as seems more likely to me) then obviously you are a liar and this is a despicable thing to be.
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