The Dangerous Self-Delusion of Some Conservatives

markamerica.com ^ | June 30. 2012 | Mark America

[rogue yam]

If Obama is re elected, there is a zero percent chance of repealing obamacare. If romney gets elected, there is a greater than zero chance of Obamacare getting repealed. Good enough for me.

This simple logic completely escapes the Mitt Haters.

[Tau Food]

Yet every one of us here has a duty to vote. There is a better, smarter, alternative: forfeit any influence in deciding Coke over Pepsi, and vote for a plurality to weaken the victory of whichever menace wins, as either way a menace is going to be in the White House.

Indeed, Finny, that is still another excellent reason for voting third party.

Whenever we do what we know to be right, God thanks and assures us by showing us the many different paths which lead to the proper result.

I trust God.

[Finny]

Whenever we do what we know to be right, God thanks and assures us by showing us the many different paths which lead to the proper result.

Do you know, I've been trying for awhile now to find the words to say just that, and ... you found them for me! EXACTLY RIGHT!

[CharacterCounts]

Time to vote ABO.

If ABO stands for anybody but Obama, why are you not satisfied unless the person votes for Romney?

You should really just change the label to RNO, which can mean two things:

Romney not Obama, and;

Republican - Name Only!

Both are accurate.

[Sola Veritas]

“vote for a plurality to weaken the victory of whichever menace wins, as either way a menace is going to be in the White House. That is what I will be doing by voting third party at the top of the ticket in order to help all the conservatives I’ll be voting for down-ticket.”

Oh how I wised all 50 states were required, in both primaries and general elections, to have “none of the above” as a tabulated choice. To me, that would send the clearest message! Unfortunately, this is not so. Therefore, what you propose sounds like a good COA to me.

[rurgan]

So you prefer that Obama win?

We have 2 choices : Obama or no Obama(Romney). That is our lot in life now because the media controls the U.S.A and the world. We don't have a 3rd choice . so what would you want Obama or no Obama?

What is it that you like about Obama?

Obamacare that transforms the U.S.A. into a socialist country? Obama taking away our freedom.

Obama passing the Dream Act by decree against the will of Congress and of the people?

Obama suing Arizona?

Obama heaping upon us 5 trillion in debt.

Obama unconstitutionally growing government and government power with czars etc and a million other ways as with the EPA?

A milion other crimes against freedom ,America and the American people, too numerous to list here. this is just the beginning : This marxist POS Obama will do even worse to us in the 2nd term as it now has more flexibility.

I want to see Obama and the media defeated and humiliated. I guess you all don't care if Obama wins then the media and Obama gloat?

[rurgan]

I know you aren't an anti-romney. But I write this also to any anti-Romney here. They provide negatives for Obama for free, bashing Romeney 24/77.So These anti-Romneys prefer that Obama win?

We have 2 choices : Obama or no Obama(Romney). That is our lot in life now because the media controls the U.S.A and the world. We don't have a 3rd choice . so what would you want Obama or no Obama?

What is it that anti-Romneys like about Obama?

Obamacare that transforms the U.S.A. into a socialist country? Obama taking away our freedom.

Obama passing the Dream Act by decree against the will of Congress and of the people?

Obama suing Arizona?

Obama heaping upon us 5 trillion in debt.

Obama unconstitutionally growing government and government power with czars etc and a million other ways as with the EPA?

A million other crimes against freedom ,America and the American people, too numerous to list here. this is just the beginning : This marxist POS Obama will do even worse to us in the 2nd term as it now has more flexibility.

I want to see Obama and the media defeated and humiliated. I guess you all don't care if Obama wins then the media and Obama gloat?

[svcw]

You said in post 398 on this thread The Dangerous Self-Delusion of Some Conservatives, Romney was not a conservative, using the term “I disagree” when referring someone same he is a pretend conservative.
In post 39 in this thread A Conservative's Despair of a Romney Republican Ticket, some one said Romney is a liberal you called them a liar.
Those are just two examples where I gleaned you believe Romney is not a liberal.
As a side note I had forgot all the times you called people insane, deranged or delusional who do not support your candidate and nearly always say directly “either support Romney or you are campaigning for BHO”.
Just to make it very clear - I do not support Romney OR BHO. I want neither to be president. So see sweetie I am neither stupid or despicable or a liar. You beleive Romney is conservative apparently. You further beleive apparently that anyone who disagrees with your position is a liar, stupid or despicable as evidenced by your many posts.

[CharacterCounts]

I don't know if we are government slaves yet.

However, the Robert decision has done away with the phrase by Lincoln: "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

and changed it to:

people of the government, by the government, for the government.

And, eventually it will perish from this earth.

[BlackElk]

Unlike you, no one will ever reliably report that I was kissing Romney's ass or that of phony "conservatives" who are Romney love slaves. I take it that JimRob has given you no reason to doubt that he despises Romney like every actual conservative does and that, like them, he will not vote for Romney. Your point????

Opposition to Romney means that some mushball faux "conservative" contributors will be replaced by many more actual conservatives appreciative of this website, its founder and proprietor, its conservative principles, and of the actual conservatives who post here.

BTW, is it some sort of crime in your eyes to agree with the man who provides you the hospitality to allow you to make an obvious fool of yourself here. Romney or JimRob??? No brainer, I am going with JimRob and against Romneycare and all of Myth's other ideological crimes against conservatism and against our way of life.

Before the lightning strikes, you might want to create a site with a name like "Cowardly mushballs terrified by Obozo.com" and take your spineless pals with you. That will happen a lot sooner than this website of JimRob's genuflecting before the degenerates who bring us Romney, including the GOP National Committee.

What I REALLY like to do is to KICK certain people's (that would be the likes of you and the Romney pom pom girls) asses. I don't just disagree with the likes of you. I despise the likes of you and your poster boy and hero Myth Romney for precisely the same reasons that I despise Obozo.

[MHGinTN]

You've been painted as a rominy lover regardless of despising the liberal man, because it is easier to hold onto the vitriol if they can marginalize you by defining you the way they want you to be rather than the way you are. I get it daily at FR now. I even go out of my way to define Romney as a liberal by his history and I call him a wet finger int he wind liberal when calling him the only viable alternative to having little barry bastard commie in power for four more years. And still they call me a Romney lover, a liberal in hiding, a stealth Mormon, and various other degrading things they feel will shut me up. It is growing to the level of irrational. ... Are they havin' fun yet? I'm going to start calling them the all or nothing tantrum troops.

[rogue yam]

You have posted quite a mess here.

To wit:

You said in post 398 on this thread The Dangerous Self-Delusion of Some Conservatives, Romney was not a conservative, using the term “I disagree” when referring someone same he is a pretend conservative.

This is pretty much incoherent, but the fact is the poster to whom I replied implied that he thought Romney's "default shape" is leftist. That is what I disagree with. I do not think that, generally speaking, Romney is an ideological leftist.

In post 39 in this thread A Conservative's Despair of a Romney Republican Ticket, some one said Romney is a liberal you called them a liar.

You must mean some post other than post 39. Be less sloppy, will ya?

Those are just two examples where I gleaned you believe Romney is not a liberal.

Well, the count stands at one, but what's your point?

As a side note I had forgot all the times you called people insane, deranged or delusional who do not support your candidate and nearly always say directly “either support Romney or you are campaigning for BHO”.

I have never said that all who do not support Romney are campaigning for Obama; I have said that some who hate Romney are. Also, I have never described someone as "insane, deranged or delusional" merely for not supporting Romney.

Just to make it very clear - I do not support Romney OR BHO. I want neither to be president.

One of the two will win the election in November. Everyone knows this.

So see sweetie I am neither stupid or despicable or a liar.

Opinions differ.

You beleive Romney is conservative apparently.

False.

You further beleive apparently that anyone who disagrees with your position is a liar, stupid or despicable as evidenced by your many posts.

False.

Many statements, each of them false, incoherent, or irrelevant.

Total fail.

[svcw]

Ok, what ever you say.

You say it’s ok if we disagree - right.

You support Romney, I do not.

I say Romney is a liberal, you say he is not.

I say I do not support BHO or Romney for president.

And you will say what?

[rogue yam]

I get it daily at FR now. I even go out of my way to define Romney as a liberal by his history and I call him a wet finger int he wind liberal when calling him the only viable alternative to having little barry bastard commie in power for four more years. And still they call me a Romney lover, a liberal in hiding, a stealth Mormon, and various other degrading things they feel will shut me up. It is growing to the level of irrational. ... Are they havin' fun yet? I'm going to start calling them the all or nothing tantrum troops.

The hatred and abuse directed at Romney and at those who have made a political decision to support the GOP nominee for President in November exhibit all of the rationality and respect for the truth that one would expect from a cult. Weeks ago I dubbed them the FR He-Man Mitt Haters Club because they were so childish and short-sighted. Tantrum troops works too.

Mitt Romney is nobody's idea of an across-the-board ideological conservative but there were never any of those who ran for the GOP nomination this time. Romney beat all of the others and now we must choose between him and Obama, or else sit this one out.

The fact remains that no candidate is perfect, every candidate is a compromise, every vote is a vote for the lesser of evils, and the only thing that categorically distinguishes Romney from McCain, GWB, and Bob Dole is his Mormonism.

That is the plain truth of this ugly situation.

[BlackElk]

You have some objective reason or actual proof that Myth Etch-a-Sketch is one bit more reliable for conservatives other than those concerned with Muffy's trust fund or those corruptocrats in elephant suits who have financed his despicable primary campaign of lies, slanders and libels against each and every conservative in the race in order to be the recipients of oceans of taxpayer money in the party they intend to throw after the election.

I absolutely will not reward Myth Romney for his disgusting tactics and I am quite surprised and disappointed in you who I have always seen as a consistent pro-lifer here but, if you can vote for an abject serial liar and babykiller on autokill on the subject like Myth Romney, I guess I misjudged you.

Your position on all or nothing proves the thesis of your unreliability. Tell us how many babies it is OK to see killed by the policies of Myth and his appointments who will just know better than to pay any attention whatsoever to thee much less to me on the subject since, as his ideological twin Obozo has said, we are "bitter clingers" and are therefore beneath being paid attention except insofar as outright lies might corral the votes of Pollyannas and gullibles. The death toll of the unborn will reach 60 million in the next term under Obozo or under Romney. If you hallucinate that Myth is reliable to save so much as one baby, you are in way over your head, politics is not your thing and you should find new hobbies. How many babies is it OK for Myth and the Junior Leaguers and polo players to arrange to be murdered?

BTW, take the late term abortions off the table and they are no more common than abortions resulting from rape and you accept the argument of the death cult that some babies (the overwhelming majority) need not be saved. The SCOTUS case of Webster vs, Planned Barrenhood resulted from EXACTLY this accommodationist (Can't we all just get along???) slimeball mentality and resulted in a ratification of Roe vs. Wade as "settled law" around which American women had arranged their lives and their was no going back on baby-killing, at least according to Sandra Day O'Kennedy, Sandra Day O'Connor and, I believe, David "Swish" Souter each and every one a "Republican" appointed by better men than Myth Romney. Now we can add Sandra Day O'Roberts as a new swivel-hipped treasonweasel to the cause for which he was appointed.

Do you actually think Romney is less of a globalist than Obozo??? Or that he will have an Attorney General who will not persecute churches and support baby-killing? Your proof is????

The day will come when you will hang your head in shame for believing Myth Romney any more worthy of support than is Obozo. Cristo was another "all or nothing man." Or do you think He had an "acceptable" quota of sliced, diced and hamburgerized innocent infants in utero in mind??? When I say I am pro-life, I REALLY mean it.

[MOgirl]

Hello,

“and changed it to:

people of the government, by the government, for the government.”

Means we are slaves, our masters just haven't fully exposed the depth of their ownership yet. We have a small window to fix this, or at least slow it down....and I believe we can if we work hard enough.

MOgirl

[MHGinTN]

When the partial birth abortion ban was passed, according to Guttmacher stats there were more than 20,000 partial birth abortions per year BEING REPORTED, much less the ones being done and not reported because democrats like little barry had PREVENTED reporting oversight for abortuaries.

Do you think --I'm not asking for proof-- how many alive unborn children are alive today after being born because partial birth abortion got banned by the Congress and signed into law? Your hero, Eternal Vigilance opposed that law because it did not ban ALL abortions.

You can denegrate my pro-life creeds all you want because being irrational is not subject to censorship.

Have nice day

[Gene Eric]

We know what Obama has done to this Country. We can only speculate the effects of Romney. You appear to be rooting for Obama if by default. Good luck pushing that rope.

>> By posting on FR, you pose as a conservative. You may even imagine that you are a conservative

I’m a small govt, Pro-Life, Conservative Libertarian. So you can now forgo the clever innuendo.

What are you hoping for with another Obama term?

[Gene Eric]

Perot gave us two terms of Clinton. McCain himself gave us Obama. And then Romney.

It seems weak GOP candidates reliably produce Leftwing CICs by virtue of the split on the Right. The effect would no doubt repeat itself for as long as it’s tried.

I appreciate your point of view, and it’s a tempting proposition, but a difficult one believing it would yield to Obama.

Something of a conundrum.

[Gene Eric]

>> You can denegrate my pro-life creeds

It’s fun having one’s concern for Life called into question, isn’t it?