Posted on 06/13/2012 9:13:03 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
Well “pulling the plug” to me means the person is artificial life support. Me and my wife have made it clear we don’t intend to be kept alive by life support unless it is just temporary due to an accident. Extended life support - no way. These kind of questions have to be dealt with by the family on a case by case basis. “Pulling the plug” sometimes has to be done.
I finally found the one subject that will push me back into the arms of the Catholic Church. Whatever that institution’s failings, they are merciless in their condemnation of this stuff.
Yep! “Every man over 40 is a scoundrel.”
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1925/shaw-bio.html
Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness don't mean much to the dead.
“These kind of questions have to be dealt with by the family on a case by case basis. “Pulling the plug” sometimes has to be done.”
That’s what living wills are for - it should be an individual’s decision, or the immediate family’s in the event there is no living will (but even then, hopefully the family is loving, knows that person’s feelings on the subject and will honor them either way).
It should NOT be decided by government death panels, Godless progressives or those brainwashed by them.
It’s the leftist trajectory, although it appears to be shaped by American culture as it proceeds with its predictable outcome of mass murder and mayhem.
The Russians and the Chinese came from cultures that already had a long history of genocide and tyrants, and, sure enough, they got Stalin and Mao. The Cubans come from the tradition of the strongman, and there’s swaggering Castro. When the Italians embraced the left under Mussolini, it was a lot more laid back than the German technocratic model.
So here we are. We’re hiding our genocide under a layer of laws and legal precedent with abortion, and calling it “choice” to reflect a culture of individual freedom. I expect the slaughter of the old to be a lot like the slaughter of the unborn. Lawsuits will be filed. People will protest. There will be emmenations of penumbras. Supporters will call it a “choice.” The murders themselves will take place in clean, quiet places surrounded by “compassionate” helpers from the private institution in charge. No one will be forced, but the pressure of culture, media, and government will be unbearable for many. It’s almost as if the Americans had come up with a way for the population to willingly, even happily, step in the concentration camps, for their own good, of course, and the good of everyone else.
The next step after this will be the normalization of suicide. People have a right to control their own bodies, don’t you know, and since the old and infirm have a “right” to die, then everyone has the same right.
I guess I’ll live long enough to see if this prediction comes true. God help us.
In my opinion, ObamaCare/DeathCare/AuschwitzCare was designed to be the next Holocaust via Death Panels with Big Bro and Big Sis deciding who lives and who dies based on their criteria.
I know, it was his call to receive all these treatments but it is not the “quality” of life I want when I get to that point.
She is now living in a nursing home but because her meds are regulated, she eats properly, and has adults her age to socialize with (all her needs are physical, not mental) she is thriving. She practically runs the place! The Grand kids can visit Grandma in a healthy environment and are learning so much from her! I feel like I have my mom back, I wish at home but she needs 24 hour care. But mentally she's doing great! She hasn't looked so good in years! She uses a wheel chair but with physical therapy can now get around on her own. She helps other patients with various stages of dementia and Alzheimer's find there way around and visits those that can't get out of bed. I think she deserves a pay check!
If you can't tell I visited her this evening and was amazed at her progress. My children have made friends with the patients, my youngest one wants to help out so much, I think we have a nurse in the making! My daughter actually chatted with a 107 year old today! Learning about history, her memories, first hand, was such a wonderful thing for my children or anyone’s children! On Memorial day, they had a picnic and brought in a guitarist/singer that sang Patriotic songs and I swear even the patients with advanced Alzheimer's sang every word! My children listened to their stories and helped out with refreshments and the like. It was a priceless experience for them! I had to stop myself from crying like a baby! These people are actually not a drain on society, but a priceless resource!!!
Which shows no signs of reversing if people do not pry themselves away from the television.
You might add insurance companies to your list who are doing this as we speak.
Folks cant depend on anyone but their selves to deal with this issue.
As for the cost of his care, so what? Why do we assume there is only a limited amount of medical care available? Where there is demand, the market will increase the supply. More demand, higher wages for the doctors, medical technicians, etc. Higher wages, more people are eager to enter the field. It's only when the government steps in that the whole system breaks down.
“or those brainwashed by them.”
That’s the very sort of nanny-state condescension the libs do. “These people aren’t smart enough to make their own decisions.” Maybe they aren’t, but in a free society we respect their decisions about certain personal life choices. Signing a DNR order is one of those cases where we dare not second guess the individual’s choice.
If they were to off me, the scum bags who now make multiple millions on my diabetes meds. will be ruined. No more gravy train from THIS little old lady.
Karmic.
Is there a difference between "cool" and "trendy"?
Everyone should be allowed to decide for themselves whether they want to continue living.
The more relevant question of this article is whether anyone has the right to make virtual slaves of strangers to prolong their own life. Can you demand healthcare that you have no way of paying for, knowing that it will lower the quality of life for hundreds of other people ? Isn’t that what is really happening when the government must tax hundreds of other people thousands of dollars each to pay for $500,000 of longterm nursing care for a comatose octogenarian ?
I was born with no hair, no teeth, poor eyesight and could not understand what was spoken to me. All I could do was eat, sleep and cry when I pooped my pants.
I am now old and I have no hair, no teeth, poor eyesight and can only understand half of what I hear. All I can do is eat, sleep and cry when I can’t make it to the potty and poop my pants.
I long for an end to the pain that is a constant companion at this end of the circle of life for I know that there is a new life awaiting me when the circle is complete.
I pray that government will not allowed to intervene or interfere in any way with my passing.
If an individual pays their own health care, they have the right to make their own health care decisions. If an individual relies on insurance, the insurance contract governs what is and is not covered. The individual has no moral right to demand anything beyond what’s covered in the policy.
Now the poor and elderly who depend on government provided care are an entirely different matter. If you do nothing to prepare yourself for independence in your retirement, don’t expect other citizens to provide a bottomless pit of money to take care of your health needs in old age. For example, you have no moral right to demand that someone give you $10 million (or anything really) to extend your life a few months.
While I think we are morally obliged to help others, I don’t think that means the individual can help themselves to whatever they want at other people’s expense. In other words, if Mr. Taxpayer is paying, Mr. Taxpayer — not the patient — determines the level of care. People should keep this in mind, because if they don’t like Uncle Sam making the decisions, don’t depend on Uncle Sam for care.
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