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Zimmerman 'does not properly respect the law,' judge says in order revoking bond
Orlando Sentinal ^ | June 12, 2012 | Jeff Weiner

Posted on 06/12/2012 9:02:42 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara

The judge who revoked George Zimmerman's bond did so after he determined that it was "apparent" that Zimmerman's wife had lied under oath, and clear that Zimmerman "does not properly respect the law."

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester revoked Zimmerman's bond on June 1, but his written order was filed Monday. In it, Lester lays out his rationale.

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KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Dead Corpse

That was 1/2 way through the conversation. All the time he was giving the dispatcher his info. Just think if he’d turned then and finished the conversation in his car?


201 posted on 06/12/2012 10:49:39 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: little jeremiah

He’s been outed as a leftist.

See #166.


202 posted on 06/12/2012 10:49:39 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: cricket; Cboldt
Has not this Judge crossed the boundaries of his job classification/description?

He certainly has in my opinion. Here is a link to his order revoking bond

Here are the facts:

Shellie Zimmerman offered to get the brother-in-law on the phone to discuss the amount in the PayPal Account, but the prosecution deceptively edited her testimony in its application to revoke bond.

At the April 27th hearing disclosing the approximate size of the PayPal account, Judge Lester claimed to not know if the PayPal account was usable for bail. How could GZ know if it was available if Lester didn't??

At the bail revocation hearing on June 1, Lester refused O'Mara's request to postpone the hearing, telling O'Mara he could defend the motion "on the spur of the moment, you can do this on the fly" (at about 23 minutes into the clip).

At the original bail hearing, Judge Lester dismissed the importance of George's run in with the plain clothes officer in the bar, but now he seems to think it is very important.

At the original bail hearing, Judge Lester dismissed the importance of the mutual restraining orders between George and a former girlfriend, but now seems to think it is important.

At the bond revocation hearing on June 1, Lester also dismissed concerns about the state's problem with the 2nd passport (at about the 45 minute mark), and does mention it in his revocation of bond ruling, but does not appear to give it much weight for the bail revocation hearing.

Lester's ruling said that George lacks respect for the law for all those factors, especially for the failure to disclose the PayPal account total, which he did not give GZ any chance to explain. A travesty of justice (in my never to be humble opinion).

203 posted on 06/12/2012 10:49:52 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: treetopsandroofs

Seems like it.


204 posted on 06/12/2012 10:50:26 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: treetopsandroofs

I don’t watch Fox News. Am I a Leftist?


205 posted on 06/12/2012 10:51:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Hulka

Of course the dispatcher can’t give an order.

What do you think the dispatcher was trying to convey to Zimmerman with that phrase?


206 posted on 06/12/2012 10:51:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: trisham

“I don’t watch Fox News. Am I a Leftist?”

Is Fox Right Wing?


207 posted on 06/12/2012 10:52:16 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: butterdezillion

Yes it is


208 posted on 06/12/2012 10:52:34 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: little jeremiah

Very childish.

An imbed from 1999.


209 posted on 06/12/2012 10:53:34 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: stuartcr; papertyger
You’re saying the dispatcher did not advise him to stay in the car?

No, the dispatcher DID NOT advise him to stay in the truck.

As a matter of fact, Zimmerman got out of his truck in response to the dispatcher asking him for an address. Later, the dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he is following the drugged-up Fight Club wannabe:

At one point in the call it seems clear Zimmerman is walking and the dispatcher asks him whether he’s following the teen. “Yeah,” answers Zimmerman. “OK, you don’t need to do that,” the dispatcher says.

You're obviously only familiar with what NBC & ABC "news" told you, stuart.

You should stop posting your nonsense.

210 posted on 06/12/2012 10:53:57 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Tublecane

I don’t believe either of us can say for certain what really happened, can we?


211 posted on 06/12/2012 10:54:03 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr
Yeah, all citizens should know better than to report suspicious strangers, should not check strangers hanging our in their own neighborhood, and should just be good little sheep and do exactly what the nice operator tells them.

This is not a free nation. This is not a nation in which citizens have rights. We are all to OBEY.

What in the world are you doing on FR?

It was nothing more than a sad tragedy which need never have happened had the kid not jumped Zimmerman.
212 posted on 06/12/2012 10:54:19 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

???


213 posted on 06/12/2012 10:55:09 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: trisham

As I said in #198....

Look at the way he refers to Fox News and has no clue that Fox News is not Right Wing, and view that in the light of all his posts on this subject.


214 posted on 06/12/2012 10:55:15 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Ratman83

Probably so


215 posted on 06/12/2012 10:56:15 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr
You can hear him on the tape hoofing it. Dispatch asks him what he's doing, he tells them, they say "we don't need you to do that", he says "ok", and starts heading back to his truck.

It was right after that when your hero Trayvon jumps him and gets plugged for his thuggish behavior.

There is no way for you to win this one. You aren't using facts, just your opinion.

216 posted on 06/12/2012 10:56:40 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: stuartcr

I get a small thrill exposing ultra-leftists here, if it hasn’t been obvious to everyone except you.


217 posted on 06/12/2012 10:57:05 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: stuartcr

Right, because no citizen has the right to walk around in his own neighborhood.


218 posted on 06/12/2012 10:57:19 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Eaker
Dispatcher or 911 operator?

Zimmerman called the non-emergency Sanford police number and talked with a dispatcher. The media has used '911 operator' either because they're too dense to understand the difference, or because it was easier and like a shorthand reference to them, or both.

The City of Sanford made it clear back in mid-March that Zimmerman did not speak with 911, but a non-emergency dispatcher.

Angela Corey's charging affidavit is careful to make that distinction as well.

219 posted on 06/12/2012 10:57:19 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: stuartcr
Just think if he had followed directions to not go after the kid that nite...he wouldn’t be in jail, he wouldn’t have $100K and a kid would still be alive.

He did break off pursuit. He said "Ok" in response to the dispatcher. Zimmerman was headed back to his vehicle, when Martin intercepted Zimmerman and began the felonious assault which resulted in Martin's death.

220 posted on 06/12/2012 10:57:37 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Hodar
"When your ENTIRE case rests heavily on your credability,...."

If it did, you may have a "credable" point. Physical evidence and known forensics, support George.

"When you are in jail, and you know your phone calls are monitored, and you use code like “What should we do with the $100” ($100 = $100,000 - that’s one tough code, eh?)..."

The transcriptions show they knew they were being recorded. Using an elementary "code" and KNOWING you're being recorded just doesn't track with trying to hide anything. I'd be looking for other possible explanations, like George not wanting some to overheard by some of the other jail guests.

All that aside. O'Mara should have disclosed this information. I find it VERY unlikely the subject wasn't explored thoroughly before the bail hearing.

221 posted on 06/12/2012 10:57:37 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Red Steel

Well yeah, I can pretty well figure out what it was. I just never got to see it, so I was hoping you would send me a link to it, as it must be fresh in your mind to have mentioned it.

What year was it? I’d like to think I’ve been getting better.


222 posted on 06/12/2012 10:58:33 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

Looking at the evidence we have on hand, there isn’t enough to counter Zimmerman’s account and the initial police findings. There is MUCH more than a reasonable doubt to uphold Zimmerman’s innocence.


223 posted on 06/12/2012 10:59:02 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: stuartcr
What do you think the dispatcher was trying to convey to Zimmerman with that phrase?

"What you're doing is not necessary for our purposes."

224 posted on 06/12/2012 10:59:14 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Tublecane; wtc911
I could say the most reasonable supposition from the evidence, including Zimmerman’s version, the medical reports, and eye witness testimony, is that Martin attacked Zimmerman. And it’s not so easy as you think to brush it off as Zimmerman being a bad fighter. He would have had to start the fight and not only lose but also not land a single blow, besides the one from his gun. That is incredible.

Tublecane FTW!

wtc411 for the FAIL!

225 posted on 06/12/2012 10:59:33 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: butterdezillion
So was Judge Lester LYING IN A COURT PROCEEDING when he falsely accused George Zimmerman of testifying under oath that he was penniless?

Judges have immunity.

226 posted on 06/12/2012 11:00:00 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara

They’ll get him one way or the other. And as far as I’m concerned these are republicans going after him.


227 posted on 06/12/2012 11:00:53 AM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Grifin, FAMILY GUY)
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To: Elpasser
"...so how could there have been an intent to cover this up?"

Whenever I want to cover something up, the first thing I do is, talk about about it when I know the one I supposedly want to keep it from is listening.

228 posted on 06/12/2012 11:01:07 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: stuartcr
If you read what I wrote, then obviously that isn’t at all what I’m saying, it’s what you are saying.  I don't mind if you place blame where it doesn't rest.  I will respond as I see fit.  If you don't like it, then don't place blame where it doesn't belong.

When you say someone seems to be saying something, that means you hear what you want, not what was said.  Nope, but nice try.  If you place blame where it doesn't belong, it opens the door to all the reasons why you're wrong.  I touched on some of them.  You don't like it.  Tough.  If you don't like getting called on saying something stupid, then don't say something stupid.

I am saying that if he had stayed in his car as the dispatcher directed, then none of this would have happened.
  Oh really?  Is that what you meant?  LMAO  Yes, that's exactly what you meant.  And that is as stupid a thing to say as I have read here in a long time.

If someone is suspicious, you're going to keep him in your sight until he is off the property.  The police have no authority to tell you you can't get out of your car from a remote location.  If they are on scene and can intervene, a person should defer to them.

This is like an officer telling you you don't have a right to own a gun.  "We'll take care of it.  Just call us."  Ten minutes later when the police cruiser pulls up, you're alread dead.

Lets take the very worst case scenario.  I don't think this is what happened by the way.  All accounts state that Zimmerman was near his own car, but lets go down the road you seem so anxious to.

Lets say Zimmerman did confront Travon.  All Travon had to do was explain what he was doing, perhaps tell Zimmerman where he lived, explain that his dad lived right over there, and it would all have been handled without any problem.  Travon obviously became furious and attacked Zimmerman.  Where's the outrage directed at Travon for his actions?

The answer in your mind is to always let a possible perp go on down the road.  Who cares if they continue to rob units in the complex?  At least nobody will get killed?  Of course that's until the perp goes into the wrong unit that is occupied, and is confronted.  And then a person that wasn't charged with helping out with security, isn't wide awake, and is in a very vulnerable position, is then compromised and very likely to be killed to cover up the crime.

Zimmerman did his community a service, and you're miles off base.

If Travon hadn't become furious, none of this would have happened.  Zimmerman had a right to confront if he so desired.  If you don't like it, too bad.  If the police don't like it, too bad.  If the judge doesn't like it, too bad.  They will never convict this guy.  Deal with it.


229 posted on 06/12/2012 11:01:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Ingtar

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/24/update-26-part-2-trayvon-martin-shooting-a-year-of-drug-use-culminates-in-predictable-violence/


230 posted on 06/12/2012 11:01:47 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: cricket
Incredible; that everything he says regarding Zimmerman; implies a guilty action on his behalf. This Judge has personally, made the effort to destroy any integrity that Zimmerman has; by saying that he LIED about his funds, et al and hence his recall to jail.

Yes, this judge has incredibly prejudiced this case. In addition to what you're talking about the judge brought up a past legal issue which is irrelevant to this case.

...he has been charged with one prior crime, for which he went through a pre-trial diversion program, and has had an injunction lodged against him" for domestic violence.

That incident was dropped because the cop he supposedly assaulted was an unproffesional asshat who exceeded his authority, assaulted a friend of Zimmerman's, and Zimmerman had no idea he was a cop.

George Zimmerman arrested for assaulting officer, charges dropped

This judge is crooked. He's been bought.

231 posted on 06/12/2012 11:03:09 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Hodar
Well, for starter; when you tell the judge at the Bail Hearing that you do not have any savings, you have no relatives that you can borrow money from, and tell him that you do not have access to any funds.

George didn't testify at the bail hearing except to apologize to the Martins. His wife did. So how is George responsible for whatever his wife said? And she actually offered to get the brother-in-law on the phone to confirm the PayPal account total, but no one was interested at the time.

232 posted on 06/12/2012 11:03:09 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Dead Corpse; stuartcr
You can hear him on the tape hoofing it. Dispatch asks him what he's doing, he tells them, they say "we don't need you to do that", he says "ok", and starts heading back to his truck.

Many people would consider that doing what he was told....

233 posted on 06/12/2012 11:03:09 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: stuartcr
What do you think the dispatcher was trying to convey to Zimmerman with that phrase?

Seriously? The dispatcher was following CYA training that's likely in its manuals for dealing with Neighborhood Watch. With that comment the dispatcher was making certain that the City of Sanford was separating itself from liability if Zimmerman were injured while following the suspect.

Do you think Sanford wanted to be responsible for Zimmerman's acts and injuries had it directed Zimmerman?

It doesn't mean the dispatcher wanted Zimmerman to quit following the suspect . . . only that the dispatcher didn't want to direct Zimmerman to do so.

234 posted on 06/12/2012 11:03:48 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Not particularly.


235 posted on 06/12/2012 11:03:53 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: stuartcr
Stupid! He was already OUT of the car when the dispatcher told him he didn't need to follow Martin. He was following Martin at the time--that's why the dispatcher said that.

Wow!!! Such astounding ignorance and willful misrepresentation of the facts.
236 posted on 06/12/2012 11:04:19 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: longtermmemmory

237 posted on 06/12/2012 11:05:58 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Hodar
given the Prosecution the best weapon they could possibly have hoped for, “reasonable doubt”.

Usually, you must be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

238 posted on 06/12/2012 11:07:33 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Uncle Chip

Obviously attacking someone.

What does that have to do with what I’ve been talking about?


239 posted on 06/12/2012 11:07:33 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr

“Didn’t the kid attack him when he was returning to his vehicle?”

Why yes he did. Zimmerman stopped chasing the “kid” and the “kid” was safely away from Zimmerman. The dispatcher “suggested” he stop following the “kid” which Zimmerman did. As Zimmerman was returning to his car the “kid” attacked him.

Understand, when you’re following someone, that is completely legal. You can follow people if they are acting suspicious. It’s lawful to do so.

If you follow someone and attack them like the “kid” did, then you are committing assault. That is illegal. You can not attack someone just because they were following you.

The “kid” would still be alive if he had returned to the house his daddy’s girl friend owned after Trey lost Z. But Trey couldn’t allow anyone to disrespect him so he went all gansta on Z and it proved to be the biggest mistake of his life.

Are you just not getting this on purpose or something? Because all of your posts have been answered and yet you keep saying the same crap as if it is the most important thing. Are you saying that it is OK to attack someone who was behind you and now is walking the other way just because you feel they didn’t show you enough respect?

I believe you’re proving all of the posters on here are correct when they call into question your intelligence. You seem to lack any.


240 posted on 06/12/2012 11:07:57 AM PDT by History Repeats (If Obama had a son, he'd have his picture hanging on the wall of the Post office wanted board.)
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To: stuartcr
The dispatcher told George TWICE to "let us know what he does" right? Sounds like more of a request than "we don't need you to do that" right?
241 posted on 06/12/2012 11:09:22 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: trisham

And just about all conservatives agree with you.

Stuartcr’s statement regarding Fox News and his subsequent endless repetitive posts explained it all for me.

I love the smell of fried jacktard in the afternoon!


242 posted on 06/12/2012 11:09:45 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Ingtar

ok with me


243 posted on 06/12/2012 11:10:03 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Aunt Polgara
I'm not impressed with the opinion and order either. Lester says that danger to the community is mitigated by bond amount. I believe that a finding of danger to the community results in a finding of no bond, not an upward increase in bond amount.

He's changed his position too, because on April 27th, knowing the amount was $200,000, and facing a state motion to revoke bond, he rejected the motion. Now he says the amount might have mattered.

He also states, without providing any support, that the state's murder case is strong, and by implication, that Zimmerman's self defense claim is weak.

Lester, channeling Cartman - respect my authoritah!

244 posted on 06/12/2012 11:11:15 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: wtc911; ozzymandus
Please provide proof (such as a neutral witness statement) that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Whoever threw the first punch started it and since the forensic reports show only Trayvon threw punches that night, then his first punch started it. Since Zimmerman was on the ground disabled by the first punch, every punch that Martin then threw was starting it again and again.

Zimmerman's injuries prove only that he can't fight (but he sure can scream).

Everytime that Zimmerman yelled out for help and Martin refused to call off his assault, Martin was starting it over again and again.

The witness statements that Zimmerman was on bottom again just prove that he can't fight, not who started the fight.

So then if he "can't fight" then why would he have started something that he can't do??? On the other hand, since Trayvon proved that he can fight, we know that he would think nothing of starting a fight, and the broken teeth in his mouth may very well indicate it.

Now return to your hood.

245 posted on 06/12/2012 11:12:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: treetopsandroofs; stuartcr

Sorry, I don’t think that’s at all relevant. However, if one looks at even a small part of his posting history, one would agree that he’s no conservative.


246 posted on 06/12/2012 11:12:34 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: History Repeats

“...then you are committing assault.”

Minor point........

Cocking your fist or pointing a gun is an assualt.

Throwing a punch or firing your gun is battery. Cocking your fist and throwing a punch is an Assualt and Battery.


247 posted on 06/12/2012 11:13:23 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: stuartcr
You’re saying the dispatcher did not advise him to stay in the car?

That's right. Zimmerman was already out of his truck when the dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that." He was out of his truck because the dispatcher told him to "keep an eye on him." You wouldn't look like such an ignoramus if you actually listened to the the call between the dispatcher and Zimmerman.

George Zimmerman 911 call about Trayvon Martin UnRedacted (not a 911 call)

248 posted on 06/12/2012 11:14:13 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: MileHi

Well, if he had stayed in his car...he wouldn’t be in jail would he?

Besides, that’s what an anonymous web forum is all about. Just think how boring some of these threads would be, if all anyone did was agree with each other? Don’t you remember how much fun it was before we were allowed to like Mitt? I haven’t seen any of the good old stuff about Mormonism in a while.


249 posted on 06/12/2012 11:14:53 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: treetopsandroofs

Because


250 posted on 06/12/2012 11:16:40 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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