Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
I approached our state GOP party about running (for a state office) They said ‘no thanks’ because I was a Conservative and they were looking for ‘people close to center’.
.... and it is our right to question EVERYTHING when it comes to the government...... My Lord did not give me a brain to follow statists like Romney and Obama into tyranny.... I will fight it with my last breath, as did my sainted ancestors, alongside the Founders.".....
far too many conservatives throw away their ENTIRE ballot with a write-in protest vote.
Damn few understand that it will void their whole ballot!
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Exactly HOW will it void the whole ballot?! That doesn’t even make sense.
A very good rule indeed.
Hey, Ron Paul is still in the race. You still got one alternative to Mittens.
Sorry to see ya geaux Newt.
I just keep praying...
Lets face it - this thread is about surrender. Plain and simple.
Perhaps, unless of course, youre prepared for martyrdom!
Geez. What EnglishCon said is now a zottable offense in your mind? Discussing a hypothetical on the election? For your info, he was on my Santorum Ping and I also believe he liked Newt too. He is not a Truther or any such thing you paint him as. He was just making a point here.
I just keep praying...
Hows ‘bout you go back and read the posts that explain it.
I get tired of writing it out dozens of times for those that don't read.
If Palin does become POTUS in 2016 she will need a strong and capable VP, as she has shown that she cracks under pressure.
Of course we'll be fighting against Obama and his polices....at the same time against the move for socialism within the GOP Party....which means voting AGAINST Obama and Romney. That's pretty clear.
Absolutely correct. I think that is a great idea.
It could bhe STARTED as a special class in the Values of Western Civilization and the Evolution of Western Civilization and be offered by volunteers with history backgrounds and conservative credentials to school students on weekends.
THAT would counter the garbage the leftists in the Educational Establishment are pushing. It would be a good start.
It certainly would.
I will NEVER forgive the drivebys in this country for all but destroying Sarah Palin (and for far too many sheeple, even Republican sheeple, for believing their crap). If this were Romney vs. even Der Schlickmeister I could probably bypass it, but not vs. the Kenyan Antichrist.
The supreme irony of these pro-Romney conservatives is that they dont realize theyre using the same broken logic as the pro-choice movement to justify an insane position: they claim that theyre not actually in favor of the action, but they support it anyway.
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What was Mourdock's barrier to entry? Candidates that affiliate to any degree with the Tea Party will be more viable under a President Mittens, not less. I don't see anyone scared by Mitten's money, it's not like it kept 5 conservatives from running against each other...
Electoral history designates second-term mid-term losses for the ruling party, to some degree. But neither party is going to look the same by then.
Likely, but as always there's a difference between saying you're going to vote Romney and promoting him. If you do Promote Romney expect to be challenged....without getting your pants in a knot.
And if you find yourself having to contend with the iron fist of nationalized health care and punitive cap-and-trade regulations arrived at on a global scale with the authority and input of other nations (Romney SAID: "Any carbon plan has to be worldwide in scope. Let's have a worldwide solution, not an American one" at his CPAC speech in '08) -- IF you find yourself and America shackled by such tyranny advanced by THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, look in the mirror for the right person to blame.
I’m with you. The GOP needs to go the way of the Whigs.
This isn’t a token thing for me either. I need a new home, even if I have to build it from the ground up.
There is great irony in that Romney, the grandson of a polygamist, will be the one to bring down the party that was founded to abolish Polygamy and Slavery.
In what part of my post #72 did I say that I "easily believe" Romney? Answer: In no part. In fact, I specifically said that I DON'T trust him.
“FR page that compares and recommends candidates in the local races”
I sincerely hope that will happen. As a conservative, pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty, and pro-tea party candidate for Congress in Texas District 13, it would be nice to have a venue of true discussion with like-minded individuals!!!
As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend.
...”A Romney win will entrench the GOP-E socialists in the party....... A President Romney would form a coalition between Congressional RINOs and Dems and hang the Tea Party out to dry......
...... And he will use the power of his office to get more GOP-E candidates in 2014 and fight the rise of the Tea Party tooth and nail - and will be hard to dislodge in 2016,.....leading to yet another electoral disaster in 2018 and 2020 like we saw in the end years of the Bush Admin, due largely to the inherent RINO problems infesting that administration”......
Possible and more than likely...especially with Romneys “other” agenda also in play and positioning of those players...he will be stacking his deck.
Romney cannot be stopped, live with it.
I’m guessing by now you know I was not IBTZ’ing to English Con.
It isn’t about me ‘feeling special’ it is about me stand up for what is right.
Supporting Romney is supporting his views and his views are liberal.
Take your chances, you will regret it.
My view may not be popular, but I will sleep with a clear conscience.
It would be completely hypocritical of me to ever vote for Romney, so I will vote against him and Obama both.
To refuse to vote for the “lesser of two evils” puts one in the position of support for the greater of the same two evils by the simple act of not standing in the way of the greater evils eventually triumph.
And you, you alone, are the judge of your own actions.
Kinda scary that, isn’t it.
No appeals to authority. Just you and a pen.
Crap - I was told conservatives think for themselves. Someone lied - who was it?
Jim, we are back in the business of a grassroots awareness and education campaign. I send links to FR posts all the time to friends and relatives, primarily to show them how much misinformation comes from the MSM, but also to promote FR. Everybody who is a believer in what we stand for here at FR should do that.
I hold to one premise: that most people eventually recognize and follow the truth when they hear and see it.
We at FR just need to keep putting the truth forward.
I think our most pressing message is that America loses if Republicans continue to relent and compromise toward the left. Continued compromise lets them win and destroys our country.
I heard Rumsfeld say in an interview one time, “You go to war with the army you have.” I don’t like him any better than you do, but unfortunately, Romney “is the army we have”. Instead of alienating him, we should set about to influence him. Just turning him on two or three issues during the course of his presidency could make a world of difference later on.
Above all, we are more effective when we can have a common, tangible goal. Trying to influence him just might be the goal we should have for now.
Thank you Jim Rob for you leadership and dedication. We all should re-dedicate ourselves to promoting our virtuous conservative principles and values.
I certainly hope you are right ... and if you are, all bets are off. But it certainly APPEARS AT THIS POINT that the election will be Obama vs. Romney, and I am planning accordingly. But I would be delighted to have another realistic choice.
You needn’t worry about Romney winning and destroying the conservative movement. Romney is a loser and he will lose.
And, I am going to help him.
The majority of conservatives are going to vote for Romney. Not just the majority, the overwhelming majority. Most of us aren't happy Willard is the nominee, but it is the only vote one can cast that has a chance of helping remove the dog eater from office. If people are free to express their opinion on the subject now, you will quickly see that voting for the Republican nominee has been the majority opinion all along. Hussein is so loathed that the vast majority of conservatives would vote for a tree stump if it was the only candidate that could beat him. There is little appetite for sitting this election out or wasting votes on 3rd party's or write-in's.
Sounds good, so vote for Romney, just as he is or against Obama because he needs to go home and get off my TV!
And pro-abortion, big-government, anti-gun Romney is evil.
New tagline ...
Just because you probably got Zotted before, doesn’t mean you can come and start throwing your slime back on us.
A truce sounds good.
But I have been out and about on the ground, explaining to people that Romney is more of the same. I've convinced 5 so far to not vote for that liberal.
In re: Palin, I’d be happy to support her, but ONLY if she’s actually running. Same as any other candidate. They can get my support when they run.
Thanks for your efforts, there. That’s excellent.
I’d say go to the next level down, then. Or - better yet -try to replace the “They” that said “No Thanks”. Get local people to back you up, and show up with you. Get THEIR job at the next election and replace one of “them”.
I think the point is, we keep hammering and kicking on the door until the door caves in, then drag “them” out of a job and replace them with our people.
So am I and I won't be voting for him in the primary either but I WILL be voting for him in November! There is NO other choice short of all out armed revolution.
LOL, that's pretty much just one person spamming old anti-Romney stories people have already read or otherwise don't care about. It's like a daily temper tantrum resulting in useless dated material being sprayed out on to the forums. The primaries are effectively done, we know who the nominee is. Romney sucks, but he is our only shot at removing Hussein from office. Lets hope that sort of silly activity winds down now.
Care to point to a few? Because I read FR a lot and must have missed them.’
BTW, your response is a cop out. Instead of retyping you can cut and paste.
Fail on your part, mostly because your premise is incorrect.
Nope. The GOP is poisoned and not pro-conservative and never will be.
Time for something else.
Exactly....Romney and Obama are socialists...Conservatives don't vote for socialists. The Gop caused this mess...and further threw half the countries voters in the ditch when Romney claimed he didn't need thier votes and 'assumed' his win...with the press stepping on the gas to run it fast by the public! Without the press no true conservative candidate can win....we just saw this.
We lost in this Primary, and the Gop/Romneyand the Press made certain that would be so.
Otherwise grow the EFF up!
Very interesting remark coming from a newbie who’s over here laughing his ass off at the “problems” JR and FR are dealing with.
“U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton (1995): a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that states cannot impose qualifications for prospective members of the U.S. Congress stricter than those specified in the Constitution. The decision invalidated the Congressional term limit provisions of 23 states...”
Also, during the 1994 Republican Revolution, a lot of the Republicans elected to the House had signed a pledge to serve only 3-terms (6-years). When 2000 came, many broke their pledge.