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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!

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To: xzins

I’m with you. The GOP needs to go the way of the Whigs.

This isn’t a token thing for me either. I need a new home, even if I have to build it from the ground up.

There is great irony in that Romney, the grandson of a polygamist, will be the one to bring down the party that was founded to abolish Polygamy and Slavery.

521 posted on 05/04/2012 10:55:20 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: cuban leaf
assuming the R’s have grown a pair since the Trent Lott days.

And that is exactly where my major problem is: look at the "victory" of 2010. We were so proud. Sarah worked so hard and we did it. What is the result? The whole house keep on voting with obama. As soon as they get in Congress they bail out and follow the flow and lose their guts.

That's the problem. What can we do about that??? Seems hopeless all the way.

Without a strong conservatives as president, we will keep on seeing the Senate and the House acting like cowards, even with new blood, like they are doing now.
522 posted on 05/04/2012 10:55:46 AM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: presently no screen name
What part of his background did you overlook that you so easily believe. . . .

In what part of my post #72 did I say that I "easily believe" Romney? Answer: In no part. In fact, I specifically said that I DON'T trust him.

523 posted on 05/04/2012 10:56:21 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Constitutional and social conservative Republican who wants to win)
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To: chopperman

“FR page that compares and recommends candidates in the local races”

I sincerely hope that will happen. As a conservative, pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty, and pro-tea party candidate for Congress in Texas District 13, it would be nice to have a venue of true discussion with like-minded individuals!!!

As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend.
Proverbs 27:17

524 posted on 05/04/2012 10:56:21 AM PDT by LTC.Ret (You'd think I would know better than to volunteer!!!
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To: dirtboy; backwoods-engineer; reaganaut

...”A Romney win will entrench the GOP-E socialists in the party....... A President Romney would form a coalition between Congressional RINOs and Dems and hang the Tea Party out to dry......

...... And he will use the power of his office to get more GOP-E candidates in 2014 and fight the rise of the Tea Party tooth and nail - and will be hard to dislodge in 2016,.....leading to yet another electoral disaster in 2018 and 2020 like we saw in the end years of the Bush Admin, due largely to the inherent RINO problems infesting that administration”......

Possible and more than likely...especially with Romneys “other” agenda also in play and positioning of those players...he will be stacking his deck.

525 posted on 05/04/2012 10:57:48 AM PDT by caww
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To: MSSC6644

Romney cannot be stopped, live with it.

526 posted on 05/04/2012 10:58:05 AM PDT by unique1
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To: Lazlo in PA

I’m guessing by now you know I was not IBTZ’ing to English Con.

527 posted on 05/04/2012 10:58:05 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Magic Fingers

It isn’t about me ‘feeling special’ it is about me stand up for what is right.

Supporting Romney is supporting his views and his views are liberal.

Take your chances, you will regret it.

My view may not be popular, but I will sleep with a clear conscience.

It would be completely hypocritical of me to ever vote for Romney, so I will vote against him and Obama both.

528 posted on 05/04/2012 10:58:12 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: reaganaut

To refuse to vote for the “lesser of two evils” puts one in the position of support for the greater of the same two evils by the simple act of not standing in the way of the greater evil’s eventually triumph.

From Realville

529 posted on 05/04/2012 10:58:29 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: LTC.Ret

And you, you alone, are the judge of your own actions.

Kinda scary that, isn’t it.

No appeals to authority. Just you and a pen.

Crap - I was told conservatives think for themselves. Someone lied - who was it?

530 posted on 05/04/2012 10:59:48 AM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, we are back in the business of a grassroots awareness and education campaign. I send links to FR posts all the time to friends and relatives, primarily to show them how much misinformation comes from the MSM, but also to promote FR. Everybody who is a believer in what we stand for here at FR should do that.

I hold to one premise: that most people eventually recognize and follow the truth when they hear and see it.

We at FR just need to keep putting the truth forward.

I think our most pressing message is that America loses if Republicans continue to relent and compromise toward the left. Continued compromise lets them win and destroys our country.

I heard Rumsfeld say in an interview one time, “You go to war with the army you have.” I don’t like him any better than you do, but unfortunately, Romney “is the army we have”. Instead of alienating him, we should set about to influence him. Just turning him on two or three issues during the course of his presidency could make a world of difference later on.

Above all, we are more effective when we can have a common, tangible goal. Trying to influence him just might be the goal we should have for now.

Thank you Jim Rob for you leadership and dedication. We all should re-dedicate ourselves to promoting our virtuous conservative principles and values.

531 posted on 05/04/2012 11:00:35 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: prisoner6
"Do what you must but I am not prepared to vote Romney. I am not covinced it will be a Romney vs Obama matchup in the general."

I certainly hope you are right ... and if you are, all bets are off. But it certainly APPEARS AT THIS POINT that the election will be Obama vs. Romney, and I am planning accordingly. But I would be delighted to have another realistic choice.

532 posted on 05/04/2012 11:00:35 AM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: Zman

You needn’t worry about Romney winning and destroying the conservative movement. Romney is a loser and he will lose.

And, I am going to help him.

533 posted on 05/04/2012 11:00:40 AM PDT by Tau Food
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To: caww
which means voting AGAINST Obama and Romney. That's pretty clear.

The majority of conservatives are going to vote for Romney. Not just the majority, the overwhelming majority. Most of us aren't happy Willard is the nominee, but it is the only vote one can cast that has a chance of helping remove the dog eater from office. If people are free to express their opinion on the subject now, you will quickly see that voting for the Republican nominee has been the majority opinion all along. Hussein is so loathed that the vast majority of conservatives would vote for a tree stump if it was the only candidate that could beat him. There is little appetite for sitting this election out or wasting votes on 3rd party's or write-in's.

534 posted on 05/04/2012 11:00:51 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: caww

Sounds good, so vote for Romney, just as he is or against Obama because he needs to go home and get off my TV!

535 posted on 05/04/2012 11:01:26 AM PDT by unique1
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To: Bigun
False logic. My vote will not put a tally count in either Obama's or Romney's column. I will not vote for evil.

And pro-abortion, big-government, anti-gun Romney is evil.

No sale.


536 posted on 05/04/2012 11:02:10 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Bigun

New tagline ...

537 posted on 05/04/2012 11:02:31 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The most fearsome words in the English language 'I'm from the Romney campaign and I'm here to help!")
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To: RitchieAprile

Just because you probably got Zotted before, doesn’t mean you can come and start throwing your slime back on us.

538 posted on 05/04/2012 11:04:09 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Jim Robinson

A truce sounds good.

539 posted on 05/04/2012 11:05:35 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Bigun
4 years ago we reacted the same way. Never again. And we did it again. Same same why would you think we will be different in 4 years? We keep on accepting the GOP choices and we keep on voting for "it" for the same reason - we have to defeat the evil in the White House.

That's where nothing will ever change because they know we always obey at the end.

They knocked down Sarah, Newt etc..and we did not fight for them enough anyway to keep them standing. And now we have romney, like we had mccain.

Why should I believe it will be different in 4 years? The only way to save the country is to send the GOP the way of the whigs and build a new party with Sarah at the wheel and as much in Congress as possible from the same party. That way the GOP will not be able to get rid of us each time.
540 posted on 05/04/2012 11:06:07 AM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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