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TRENDING: Ron Paul: Santorum is 'very liberal'
CNN Politics ^ | January 2nd, 2012 | CNN Political Unit

Posted on 01/02/2012 1:14:10 PM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk

(CNN) - Ron Paul dinged rival Rick Santorum Monday for being a "very liberal" candidate, saying the former Pennsylvania senator and staunch social conservative voted for too much spending during his time in Congress.

Speaking to CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash before a campaign event with his son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, the White House hopeful said his rival had taken positions counter to true conservative ideas.

I mean, have you looked at his record? Go look at his record," Paul said.

He continued: "He spends too much money. He wasn't leading the charge to slash the budgets and vote against big government."

Rand Paul added that Santorum's vote history proved he wasn't a true conservative.

"He voted to double the size of the Department of Education," Rand Paul said. "He voted to expand Medicare and add free drugs for senior citizens and he has voted for foreign aid. Those are not conservative principles. Seventy-seven percent of the American people are opposed to foreign aid and Rick Santorum has voted for it every time it's come down."

Paul also spoke in some of the strongest terms to date about the potential of a third-party bid should he fail to secure the GOP nomination.

"I have no plans in doing that," Paul said. "Tomorrow is a big day. We'll see what happens but I have no intention of doing that, no plans and no desire."

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


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To: VicVega
Santorum had little choice, really.
He made the best deal he could make: he got Spector to promise a fair hearing, and preference for, any Conservative SCOTUS nominee.
I had to support Bob Dole, for President, since I am from Kansas.
Bob Dole is and was a great man, but he is no conservative.
Politics is a BUSINESS and decisions must be made.
If we, as conservatives, do not do a few things every now and then to cooperate with the moderates, we will not win.
Expecting a sitting officeholder to endorse AGAINST a sitting officeholder, in the same Party, in the same STATE, is too much to ask.
Had Spector WON, and if Spector was STILL in the Senate, why would Spector feel he owed conservatives anything at all?
Again.
Politics is a business.
You do what you have to do to move the ball forward.
51 posted on 01/02/2012 1:50:14 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: VicVega
Santorum had little choice, really.
He made the best deal he could make: he got Spector to promise a fair hearing, and preference for, any Conservative SCOTUS nominee.
I had to support Bob Dole, for President, since I am from Kansas.
Bob Dole is and was a great man, but he is no conservative.
Politics is a BUSINESS and decisions must be made.
If we, as conservatives, do not do a few things every now and then to cooperate with the moderates, we will not win.
Expecting a sitting officeholder to endorse AGAINST a sitting officeholder, in the same Party, in the same STATE, is too much to ask.
Had Spector WON, and if Spector was STILL in the Senate, why would Spector feel he owed conservatives anything at all?
Again.
Politics is a business.
You do what you have to do to move the ball forward.
52 posted on 01/02/2012 1:50:26 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Roninf5-1

Truth clearly doesn’t matter anymore. Let me know if anyone actually does substantiate this. I have yet to settle on candidates. It seems to me that several candidates have a couple of very conservative things and are liberal on others. I guess we are so desperate for any conservative we are willing to overlook a few clearly liberal things. No ideal candidate.. la la la. I think there is no ideal candidate because we have not stood up and insisted on one. We have held our noses and voted establishment. I have done that for the last time.


53 posted on 01/02/2012 1:51:27 PM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: VicVega
Santorum had little choice, really.
He made the best deal he could make: he got Spector to promise a fair hearing, and preference for, any Conservative SCOTUS nominee.
I had to support Bob Dole, for President, since I am from Kansas.
Bob Dole is and was a great man, but he is no conservative.
Politics is a BUSINESS and decisions must be made.
If we, as conservatives, do not do a few things every now and then to coooperate with the moderates, we will not win.
Expecting a sitting officeholder to endorse AGAINST a sitting officeholder, in the same Party, in the same STATE, is too much to ask.
Had Spector WON, and if Spector was STILL in the Senate, why would Spector feel he owed conservatives anything at all?
Again.
Politics is a business.
You do what you have to do to move the ball forward.
54 posted on 01/02/2012 1:51:33 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: VicVega

Thune? I think you mean Toomey.


55 posted on 01/02/2012 1:52:53 PM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for posting all of that. Very eye opening!


56 posted on 01/02/2012 1:53:18 PM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Fresh Wind

LOL. Yes. Thank you for the correction.


57 posted on 01/02/2012 1:53:53 PM PST by VicVega ( GEAUX LSU TIGERS, GEAUX SAINTS)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

He is my second or third choice (Bachmann is first), but Paul is right - he has a very liberal voting record.


58 posted on 01/02/2012 1:54:26 PM PST by impimp
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To: SunkenCiv; Afronaut

Great list ‘o links!

I am tired of paul-bots lying on this and so many other forums.

I know his record and sometimes get information that I misplace — and a day later the rupaul supporters are at it again. It is good to have a starting spot to prove just what a antisemitic, isolationist, pro-terrorist nut job he is.

His supporters make romneybama cheerleaders look almost sane. Almost.


59 posted on 01/02/2012 1:55:17 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: Kansas58

Problem with your droid? (x4)


60 posted on 01/02/2012 1:56:51 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Politics is a business.
There were positive benefits in getting K.S. OUT of KS!
Brownback did the right thing.
There was no chance that any conservative would ever be the head of HHS under Obama.
Now?
Now there is little chance that Sebelius will ever win elective office again, in Kansas!
And, have you looked at all the conservative legislation we have passed, and Brownback has SIGNED, in KANSAS, after getting rid of the Sebelius machine?
61 posted on 01/02/2012 1:56:54 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Rick Santorum is a little boy like Obama. Not a real man or a leader, which we need right now.


62 posted on 01/02/2012 1:58:37 PM PST by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: ex-snook

You do not understand the Constitution.

Neither does Ron Paul.


63 posted on 01/02/2012 1:59:20 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

“If we, as conservatives, do not do a few things every now and then to cooperate with the moderates, we will not win.”

After more than two decades, this siren song is worn out.


64 posted on 01/02/2012 2:00:56 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: momincombatboots

I thought that Cain was a good candidate but we all know what happened there. I feel like the Republican establishment was behind his departure more than the Democrats were. I’m sure that Rick has done some things in his career that aren’t wonderfully conservative, but he certainly isn’t as bad as the rest.

We need to choose somebody who is as close to being as Conservative as we would like. I know what you mean about not wanting to vote for anybody who is lukewarm or a moderate, but if we don’t vote at all, we are giving that lunatic in office another vote when he runs for re-election. I will not do that!


65 posted on 01/02/2012 2:01:15 PM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: VicVega

I give Santorum a pass on endorsing Specter because Specter endorsed and helped him and Rick was repaying the favor.

What I don’t give Santorum a pass on is exactly what Paul is talking about here: Santorum is a Bush-Huckabee type Compassionate Conservative who is good on social issues like abortion but is horrible on fiscal restraint. That is the issue of our time—cutting government. Santorum was the Senate leader of the Republican K Street Project. Remember that was DeLay’s project to build ties between Republicans and lobbyists. Santorum voted for every one of Bush’s programs and spending increases too. The last thing the GOP needs is another Christian Socialist.


66 posted on 01/02/2012 2:01:15 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: petercooper
Santorum in NH, 3.5%.

In SC, 2.7%,

in FL, 1.5%.

Santorum will have to repeat his surge in these states without the benefit of spending two years there campaigning. Pass the popcorn.

67 posted on 01/02/2012 2:02:34 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. | FR Class of '98 |)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Thanks. You make a good case. Jack Abramoff comes to mind.


68 posted on 01/02/2012 2:04:11 PM PST by VicVega ( GEAUX LSU TIGERS, GEAUX SAINTS)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

I won’t vote for Romney, or the like. I smile when I see JimRobs no romney, no way in Red Letters on this site.


69 posted on 01/02/2012 2:04:31 PM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: the_Watchman
I think the media may be behind the latest attention given to Santorum. The “surge” may be timed in order to dilute the opposition to Romney in Iowa.

Bingo!

70 posted on 01/02/2012 2:07:43 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ez
"Santorum will have to repeat his surge"

There was or is no surge, please do not believe everything that the media tells you. You will see on Tuesday night that I am right.

71 posted on 01/02/2012 2:08:39 PM PST by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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To: Longbow1969
Santorum lost his home state by 18 points last time around. There is a heavy stink associated with any incumbent who loses in that kind of landslide defeat

Stink doesn't come with losing. A bit might come from running for higher, much higher, office on the heel of such a loss. I like Santorum, I hope he succeeds in gaining elective office, and that I'll see him again on the nation stage. He's not a winner this time around.

72 posted on 01/02/2012 2:09:57 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims¬óDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: VicVega

Exactly. Rick was good friends with Jack before Jack got in trouble. Its stuff like that that caused the GOP to lose the Senate and House. Rick is way too cozy with government and lobbyists. I don’t want 4 or 8 more years of what we had from 2001 through 2008.

Even though neither Santorum nor Paul is my first choice, if someone forced me to choose between Santorum and Paul, I’d choose Paul.


73 posted on 01/02/2012 2:10:14 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Ron Paul? Give me a break.

So Rick Santorum voted for some spending? As opposed the “principled” Ron Paul who gets others to vote for his spending and makes sure it gets in there and passed while personally voting against it so he can claim he opposed the pork?


74 posted on 01/02/2012 2:16:32 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: mylife

I think, too, that Santorum’s “surge” is media driven. What else could it be when Perry is within a whisker of Gingerich and Santorum and he is almost never mentioned by the pundits and newsreaders.

Fervently hope Perry pulls off a big surprise in Iowa and in S. Carolina where he is headed on Wednesday. Perry 2012!


75 posted on 01/02/2012 2:16:39 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Rick is a flash in Iowa. He is having his moment and by the end of the month he will be pleading for a V.P. spot.


76 posted on 01/02/2012 2:17:53 PM PST by mmanager (Reagan Revolution + Republican Revolution = Bury Obama in 2012 - Go Newt!)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

We really have some interesting choices this year and in 04. The big joke is on us.


77 posted on 01/02/2012 2:17:59 PM PST by VicVega ( GEAUX LSU TIGERS, GEAUX SAINTS)
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To: varina davis

Just as Paul’s rise has been media driven.
They are trying to keep us fractured.


78 posted on 01/02/2012 2:18:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: varina davis

Not sure if it’s media driven, but he did have 30 people show up at one of his rallies and Bachmann had 9.


79 posted on 01/02/2012 2:19:36 PM PST by VicVega ( GEAUX LSU TIGERS, GEAUX SAINTS)
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To: Psalm 144

It is an eternal truth.
You are bored with reality, it seems.


80 posted on 01/02/2012 2:26:48 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Psalm 144

It is an eternal truth.
You are bored with reality, it seems.


81 posted on 01/02/2012 2:26:58 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

The Pork King whines about someone else spending too much money, that’s rich!

Get back on that Thorazine Ron!


82 posted on 01/02/2012 2:43:00 PM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: petercooper

You said: ‘Rick Santorum is a little boy like Obama. Not a real man or a leader, which we need right now.’

You obviously didn’t see Santorum show Pelosi up for the blithering idiot she is when he hammered her re: partial birth abortions. She was reduced to caterwauling that it was okay to kill a baby when the entire body, save the head was out of the mother’s body. He pushed her hard and did not let up. Santorum, overall is the best conservative. BUT what he could use is Newt Gingrich’s ability to kick Obama and the media right in the mouth when required. I just hope Santorum, should he be nominated have the fire in his belly to realize that he can’t be ‘Mr. Nice’ expecting the Lamestream media to challenge Obowmao, because they won’t. HE (or whomever gets the nod) will have to put a full court press on Zero and not expect others to do it. Overall, I’d go for a Santorum/Gingrich ticket.


83 posted on 01/02/2012 2:49:10 PM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

It is 200+ year tradition and senatorial courtesy for a senator to support his fellow US senator for president (when from the same party).

Santorum did what he had to do in that circumstance, and I am sure he hated every moment of it.

But it is not something to hold against Santorum.


84 posted on 01/02/2012 2:51:06 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: Kansas58

“It is an eternal truth.”

Actually it is a packaged lie. Collaborating for two decades cost conservatives -everything-.


85 posted on 01/02/2012 2:51:34 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: mylife

‘Just as Paul’s rise has been media driven.
They are trying to keep us fractured.’

Exactly right. For instance, it really irritated me that Cain was getting all that publicity and airtime while more serious politicians like Santorum weren’t. It was obvious that Cain had NO POLITICAL experience. Was in no way versed in Foreign affairs etc. I’m sorry, but if you’re running for the top political office in the land, you better have at least run for dog-catcher before. (Same with media hyping Trump.] The ONE type of exception I’d make is for a general,. Eisenhower, etc. That is pretty unique and those people are no dummies and are well versed in geopolitical affairs and running huge organizations. The media wants the white noise of types like Cain and Paul.


86 posted on 01/02/2012 2:58:28 PM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: Kansas58
There was no chance that any conservative would ever be the head of HHS under Obama.
Now?
Now there is little chance that Sebelius will ever win elective office again, in Kansas!


You may be right, though she would have easily been confirmed with our without his recommendation.

I do remember how we were patting ourselves on the back after shooting down Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood. over nannygate issues, not realizing that the only female Dem AG liberal Democrat would be someone who apparently doesn't like boys much, and can be all the tougher in her version of law enforcement. The nation would have been better served by a Kimba Wood than a Janet Reno.
87 posted on 01/02/2012 3:03:18 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: VicVega
Arlen Spector wasn’t liberal either who’s biggest cheerleader was Ricky.

Ricky was hardly the biggest cheat leader, that Title belong to George Bush and the Republican Party.

88 posted on 01/02/2012 3:52:31 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Ronald Reagan signed many liberal things into law, because they came in the package.


89 posted on 01/02/2012 3:58:45 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Santorum had a 96% from ACU his last year in Congress, the same as DeMint (who I really want to be our next president), and a 87% lifetime rating. He was also always given high marks by the National Taxpayers Union.

At least relative to the rest of Congress, he was a fiscal conservative.


90 posted on 01/02/2012 4:05:31 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk; freedumb2003

My pleasure
91 posted on 01/02/2012 4:15:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: mmanager
Rick is a flash in Iowa.

Right, not like that Newt guy who once in front never loses momentum ...oh wait...

Paul, Romney and Santorum are the only ones who have never really dropped back. Bachmann, Perry, Cain and Gingrich all were up and then faded. Maybe it means something?

92 posted on 01/02/2012 4:15:50 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: cripplecreek
He’s my second choice and will be my first choice by the time the race gets to Michigan.

Santorum wasn't even in consideration for me until he started rising in the polls. If he is still on the ballot by the time Texas gets its chance to put in our two cents worth he too will be my number 1 pick. I always liked him but never figured the MSM and the RNC would never let him get this far. Go Rick!!

93 posted on 01/02/2012 4:20:31 PM PST by Ron H. (Social conservatism is the only way!)
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To: Roninf5-1; momincombatboots

Yeah. It’s all correct. Santorum was front and center in voting for Republican backed spending increases. That was over and above the baseline. He is, or at least was, a big government conservative. It seems like our choices this year are big government conservatives, a poor debater or a crazy libertarian.

My hope is that Santorum’s gotten religion on the spending issue. He may have. He talks like he has. I’d like a reporter to put that kind of question to him but that requires a reporter to think that the government is doing too much and apparently that’s too much to ask for.


94 posted on 01/02/2012 4:41:29 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Ron Paul and Trump are two losers who’d take the country down for their own egos.

If anyone is a liberal, it is Paul...look at his view of Islamic terrorism...it simply doesn’t exist.


95 posted on 01/02/2012 5:29:07 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Prokopton

:) Got to love the primary’s.


96 posted on 01/02/2012 5:34:39 PM PST by mmanager (Reagan Revolution + Republican Revolution = Bury Obama in 2012 - Go Newt!)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Whine Paul is a nut.


97 posted on 01/02/2012 7:33:57 PM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Ron Paul, accused Rick Santorum of being a liberal?? Ron, you should join the AMERICAN NUTJOB PARTY.


98 posted on 01/02/2012 8:00:21 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: ExCTCitizen

Join? He IS the ‘American Nutjob Party’!!!!


99 posted on 01/03/2012 4:01:02 AM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: mkjessup

Ron’s running mate would be either Cindy Sheehan or Cindy McKinzie.


100 posted on 01/03/2012 7:49:10 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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