Posted on 12/15/2011 5:54:32 AM PST by floridarunner01
For the fifth straight survey, the GOP field has a new frontrunner in Iowa.
Great idea, count me in. Now, where are we going to get enough like-minded voters to win an election?
Mad at the GOP establishment is an understatement. I’ve voted exclusively GOP my entire voting life. But after the past three years of watching them trash the Tea Party, Palin, and conservatism in general... I could truly go third-party at the drop of a hate. Never would have remotely imagined this a few short years ago.
We did it in 2010 when several Tea Party conservatives first pushed away establishment GOP in the primaries and then went on to win elections.
Consider this: Bachman, Santorum, Perry, Palin and Cain (yes Cain) get together and form a conservative group that consolidates to one “real” conservative candidate. A single GOP conservative might displace the RINO and the kook and move a lot of conservative Gingrich support back to a full conservative.
It is, sadly, very possible that Ron Paul will win the Iowa Caucus because of Dems re-registering as Republicans on caucus night to vote for him. However, there is no chance that he will get the nomination. Conservatives may split among several candidates, leaving Paul-Romney (or Romney-Paul) in first and second place.
If Romney wins Iowa and New Hampshire, does he become the inevitable nominee? I don’t think so. Both Bachmann and Santorum have bet everything on Iowa and will likely be forced out without a win there. I do not see Perry as a credible candidate, although others may disagree. Gingrich may well survive as the conservative alternative to Romney in SC and FL. Newt is almost certainly the only one who can stop Romney. Romney sees this also, which is why he and his people are gunning so hard against Newt.
I sure hope you’re right, Iowa, about a 1-2 of Iowa/NH not being the ballgame for Romney.
I place a lot of weight on the media’s ability to shape the sheeple.
They will crown him, and then promote him through the remainder of the primaries until it’s sewn up.
Then they’ll begin the attack on his Mormonism, his bankrupting companies, his flip-flopping, and his RomneyCare versus Zero’s ObamaCare.
True to form, Romney holds steady at revolting 77% of the party.Yes, and wouldn't it be ironic--ironic in a sad, grim, depressing sort of way--if that 77% could never unite itself sufficiently to prevent 23% Willard from winning Iowa.
As recently as a week ago, Newt and Romney were less than 10 points apart at Intrade. Now Mitt leads Newt by more than 40 points.
It is just too convenient leading into the FOX debate tonight. Yawn!!!
I agree. And I don't see Romney winning SC or FL.The problem is that because of RNC rules the delegates will get split for all of the primaries held before April. After that it is winner take all.
I'm hoping some clever Freeper will do an analysis of the likely impact of this on the Romney vs. Newt delegate count. Knowing nothing else it would seem to favor Romney and that may have been part of the intent of the RNC. Split the early southern delegates and let the liberal state delegates go to Romeny.
As I said: Interesting times we live in. Keep the faith.
So am I. I went toe to toe with the SEIU infront of Rep. Lois Capps office during the Healthcare Debate.
I am extremely active in the fight to save America. We may disagree about how to go about it but I will put my bona fide conservatism next to anyone on this site.
Obovine excrementula
more razzmussen propaganda
Wheeeee.....
I'm not surprised the polls are up and down. Everyone wants obama out!
IA is not a strong conservative state. IA is more of a swing state, so the "moderates/independents" have a big voice. Gingrich is great to listen to if you're tuned in to politics and know the players. However, he can appear to be "too strident" to the person who is not tuned in. They seem to want the "uniter" type.
FWIW, I think Newt overcomes this negative if he gets the nomination. I think the country will want real leadership after looking at 4 failed years of "leading from the rear" by obama.
Anyone who’s learned much about politics, propaganda and history shouldn’t be surprised.
Zeitgeist
http://www.archive.org/details/ZeitgeistTheMovie
Zeitgeist: Addendum (2008)
http://www.archive.org/details/Zeitgeist.Addendum
After watching the second video, “Addendum,” and seeing the many calls to support Ron Paul in that, go to the “Venus Project” (as also advertised in the video) to see what they’re about (”resource-based” world economy with all the world’s people owning the resources, and so on).
Then you’ll know the truth. BTW, anarchists paved the way for communist organizations during Europe’s decades past.
Mao wanted to destroy husbands and monogamy by putting all of the Chinese women to work away from their homes. He wasn’t as successful at that as our business, political and academic leaders in the Midwest. Thus,...the Midwestern political situation.
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But, let’s be fair: Michele’s mouth and mean-spirited attacks against everyone in the GOP field took her out.
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Please refresh my memory here because I honestly don’t remember Michele Bachmann making any mean-sprited attacks.
The truth is, she may be the last trace of hope for a true conservative GOP nominee in this race. Rick Santorum for whatever reason just can’t seem to gain any traction.
No matter what, we can be sure IA will again make the wrong choice.
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i agree with you
all (possible Paul exception) would be better than Obama and whoever wins will get my vote even if it is Romney
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I’m not a Ron Paul fan at all, but even HE would be a far better alternative than that evil despicable Marxist Obama.
It isn’t perfect, but I tried my best.
I am working on an even bigger project at the moment. I’m going through every single state, county, metropolitan statistical area looking at voter make-up from 2004, 2008, and 2010, trying to run a General Election simulation. That one is probably going to take several weeks, but I hope to have it completed before the Iowa Caucuses. It’s slanted towards the Anti-Romney candidate.
This is just an excellent project. The sort of thing that FR was built for IMHO. Good luck with it and I suggest you start posting a regular update. Put me on your ping list if you do.
Hope the Newt haters here are happy. I know the Republican Establishment is.
“Mean-spirited” may not be the right word, but Michele Bachmann has acted very aggressively toward the other candidates.
Remember her skirmishes with T-Paw?
How about Rick Perry and Gardasil?
Turn 9-9-9 upside down and the devil’s in the details?
Her constant attacks have grown so tiresome and shrill that I would never dream of supporting her were we not so desperate for someone to topple Romney. If she can make a comeback, I’ll support her.
Santorum is easily the best conservative in the race, but he’s not necessarily the most likeable person. I think someone around here said that he sounds “like a hall monitor.” That’s not inaccurate.
Iowa is very relevant this year. With Romney almost assured of winning New Hampshire, Iowa provides the best chance of boosting an alternative that can beat him. If Romney wins Iowa and New Hampshire, he'll likely be unstoppable.
So this is what’s its become? The GOP elitists force their cod liver oil down our throats every election cycle? This nation has become a zoo full of demented hyenas!
The whole primary process is fluxed up. Why does Iowa get to lead off and count so much? Hold a national primaries election day and tally up the votes. Then again they’ed flux that up too.
Of course, conservatives could if people like you weren't cannibalizing every conservative candidate and helping divide the conservative.
Michele Bachmann was destroyed by lunatics that claimed she part of the establishment because she hired the evvvilll Ed Rollins. Idiots claimed she was Mitt Romney's stalking horse and was a gaffe-prone nut. IT WAS CONSERVATIVES THAT DESTROYED HER.
Perry was ripped apart on trivial issues like in-state tuition for illegals, which is a minor problem compared to Romney's liberal record.
Now, the only mildly conservative alternative to Romney, Newt, is being lied about and called a progressive by new world order, paranoid fanatics like you.
Congratulations, then, you're helping Obama win reelection.
I've been wondering that for a long time. I grew up in a neighboring, conservative state. Nine times out of ten, the Iowans I met were liberals that loved their farm subsidies.
That gives him support from a variety of upscale republican smokers, closet conservative/smokers, hippies, collegiate smokers, and independent smokers.
You may laugh but I think this reflects a lot of his support. I sure do. I can think of no other reason a band of gypsies follows him around like the Grateful Dead.
Wrong, no one has won a damn thing, no one has voted. Do you believe in letting people vote.
Really, when did the election take place.
This is ridiculous. These polls are all over the place. One has Gingrich trouncing everybody, another has Paul shooting upward and Romney in 4th place, and now this one has Romney in 1st? I’m not bothering to vote if Romney wins the nomination. Newt, kick their butts tonight!
Rasmussen has some crazy stuff going on. Today the gallup Poll has Obama’s approval dropping to 42%. Rasmussen has him rising to 47%.
Rasmussen today has Romeny ahead. A new Newsmax/IA Poll has Romney in freefall in Iowa *Newt 27%, Paul 17%, Perry 13% and Romney 12%)
No way does Romney have that many people willing to come out to the caucuses and (literally) stand up and be counted as his supporters. Ron Paul might — his little band will walk through fire for him — but not Romney.
Does it involve sending the RINO Establishment on a one-way trip to Venus? If so, count me in.
Welcome to FR.
NH is pretty much Romney’s home state so toss that out the window, nobody down here ever cares what they do up there ask McCain.. it’s SC where you will see if Perry or Gingrich are going to pop him good
I think that PPP poll is skewed. I’m not paying much attention to it. I wonder what Zogby is saying?
Santorum is fine when he is leading or at least in contention. His problem is that he sounds too whiny when he’s losing (one debate against Casey stands out in my memory). He could be a strong candidate if he learned how to handle adversity.
For the record, I am undecided but have narrowed my choice down to three (Santorum is one of them).
All polls now handle cell phones, so that issue is no longer relevant.
Except neither Bush, Dole, or Huckabee won New Hampshire after Iowa. An Iowa win and a New Hampshire win back to back would melt the field.
We're less than three weeks away from the Iowa caucus and one of those weeks is Christmas week. There isn't enough for anyone other than Gingrich, Romney or Paul to win Iowa. If Romney or Paul wins Iowa and then Romney wins in NH, Romney will have unstoppable momentum.
We ARE in real trouble. You can’t trust Rasmussen. And Newt, thankfully, will not be our nominee.
Iowa and NH don’t matter that much. When Newt gets into SC he will be kicking butt....hopefully. The Iowa caucus should be done away with.
The posts on this thread are hysterically funny, everything from anguished drama to frantic spin.
There was no suspicion of Gingrich being nefariously ‘anointed’ when he was leading in the Iowa poll. He’s still leading national polls, btw. Does that mean the media and/or GOP ‘establishment’ have picked him?
Here’s an idea: Let the actual voters in the actual primary decide who they want.
The people in SC and other states aren’t going to vote for Romney. The only hope Romney has of winning anything is Iowa and NH. Neither represent America
I will NEVER vote for Bachmann. Newt, Perry or Santorum..yes. The rest you can have
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