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Florida's January primary is a gamble [Jan. 31, 2012]
St Petersburg Times ^ | 9/30/2011 | Adam C. Smith and Mary Ellen Klas

Posted on 09/30/2011 11:02:14 AM PDT by pgyanke

TALLAHASSEE — State leaders on Friday set Florida's 2012 presidential primary for Jan. 31, bucking national party rules and ensuring that several other states will leapfrog Florida and set earlier elections.

The move was intended to ensure that America's biggest battleground state has a major voice in picking the Republican nomination, much as it did in 2008 when Florida's late January primary effectively clinched the nomination for John McCain.

"It is more important for states such as Florida not to be on the back end, but to be on the front end of these primaries," said former state Sen. Al Lawson of Tallahassee, a member of the primary committee who initially called for Florida to set its primary for Jan. 3.

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I have seen a number of articles posted on this subject but they were all about expectations. This one says it is done and set.

Don't know if we have to excerpt this one... but better safe than sorry.

1 posted on 09/30/2011 11:02:16 AM PDT by pgyanke
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To: pgyanke

Good. No reason for FL to take a back seat to IA and NH. States with substantial populations and diverse economies and demographics deserve their say.


2 posted on 09/30/2011 11:07:20 AM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: pgyanke

I don’t trust to click on it.

The big question, is, are they okay with reducing their delegation by 50% in exchange for the violation? or are they going to somehow fight that as well?


3 posted on 09/30/2011 11:07:40 AM PDT by ngat
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To: pgyanke

That will move the early states, Iowa, NH, SC, NV to Dec.

Politics and Christmas don’t go together well.


4 posted on 09/30/2011 11:08:46 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: pgyanke

This is good news. Why let the a northern or mid west state be first. It’s about time to stop letting the GOP control a state’s decision when to have their primary!!!


5 posted on 09/30/2011 11:11:01 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Lou Budvis

This isn’t a good move...

While I understand Florida wants to separate itself from Super Tuesday, all this does is force out under-funded candidates early, who can’t compete in such a high-cost state.

This is the exact same mistake we made in 2008. Why are we doing it again?


6 posted on 09/30/2011 11:12:32 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: shield

It’s not the GOP, the States of Iowa and New Hampshire have laws on the books that each party must hold their caucus (IA)/primary (NH) before any other State’s caucus or Primary.

Again, not a GOP issue, but an issue that these States require.


7 posted on 09/30/2011 11:13:29 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Good grief...sounds like Iowa and NH need to revise their laws. So what will these states do now? What happens with the military ballots now. Aren’t they close to being printed?


8 posted on 09/30/2011 11:17:43 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: shield

“It’s about time to stop letting the GOP control a state’s decision when to have their primary!!!”

You do realize that the national committee is made up of committee members selected by the states, don’t you?


9 posted on 09/30/2011 11:20:41 AM PDT by ngat
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To: tcrlaf

Sad to say, but the underfunded candidates should be forced out early. I like Bachmann, Santorum and even Newt, but at this point all they are is dilluting the anti-Romney vote. I’m not a big fan of Perry - he doesn’t seem to have the intellectual firepower needed - but he seems to be the most realistic, electable alternative to Romney right now.


10 posted on 09/30/2011 11:21:32 AM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I’ve never understood why those laws were honored. Those states are effectively reaching beyond their own jurisdictions. What would happen if other states passed laws that their primaries must be held before those of IA and NH?


11 posted on 09/30/2011 11:22:31 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

“It’s not the GOP, the States of Iowa and New Hampshire have laws on the books that each party must hold their caucus (IA)/primary (NH) before any other State’s caucus or Primary.

Again, not a GOP issue, but an issue that these States require.”

I did not know that. Do you know if that law has ever been tested?


12 posted on 09/30/2011 11:22:48 AM PDT by ngat
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To: pgyanke
So now, will New Hampshire and Iowa move their's up to December, 2011????

LOL

Why not have ALL States have their primaries on the same date, to eliminate the crap of playing games?

13 posted on 09/30/2011 11:24:13 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: ngat

I was told it was the state of Iowa and NH has laws that require them to hold their primary before any other state. It wasn’t the GOP. Sorry, I thought the GOP had made the rules for when to hold primaries.


14 posted on 09/30/2011 11:24:54 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Lou Budvis

Iowa and NH serve a valuable purpose. They allow candidates with little money to make a splash early. Iowa and NH and I suppose SC will not move their caucuses/primaries up to go before Florida. My guess is Iowa kicks things off in early January like they did four years ago.


15 posted on 09/30/2011 11:26:15 AM PDT by mcjordansc
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To: Charles Martel
What would happen if other states passed laws that their primaries must be held before those of IA and NH?

Either some sort of wormhole would open or we'd at least rip some sort of hole in space-time.

The whole thing is a big mess, imho. I really wish that states that went strongest for the party in the previous general would go first with the ones that went weakest going last. Why should an "Obama state" get to be at the head of the line in choosing a GOP candidate? A dynamic order would provide incentive to party leaders in every state to get a better turnout for every election.
16 posted on 09/30/2011 11:30:51 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: pgyanke

A break with tradition?

Upsetting the apple cart?

How about, in your face.


17 posted on 09/30/2011 11:31:32 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: shield

Yeah, me too. Now I’m hearing it was some state commission in Fla. requiring BOTH parties to hold the Fla primary election Jan 31, not the state GOP. I can’t seem to get the full accurate info either.


18 posted on 09/30/2011 11:33:42 AM PDT by ngat
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To: shield
It wasn’t the GOP. Sorry, I thought the GOP had made the rules for when to hold primaries.

But they CAN refuse to recognize the delegates right?
19 posted on 09/30/2011 11:34:12 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: shield

First, Iowa and New Hampshire will be required by their State laws to move their events forward in the calendar.

Second, this is not an election required by State law. Each party has it’s own rules for who and when people will vote. The Iowa caucus will have no absentee or overseas military vote, because that’s not how a caucus works. New Hampshire may, or may not, depending on the way State Law works concerning party elections.

These laws are very well known and understood in all election circles, so Florida knew that it was accelerating the pace by making this move.


20 posted on 09/30/2011 11:38:20 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: tcrlaf

I agree, once again, the Stupid Party lives up to its’ name.


21 posted on 09/30/2011 11:39:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Lou Budvis

I wouldn’t underestimate Perry or Cain. I think we’re about to see them roast Romney.


22 posted on 09/30/2011 11:45:03 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I understand ballots for military have to be printed and sent out before long especially Florida. This is probably more my concern since I have 5 active military and 4 will all be in Afghanistan soon.


23 posted on 09/30/2011 11:45:35 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: shield

Does the military get ballots for the Florida primary?


24 posted on 09/30/2011 11:46:58 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: mcjordansc

I could see IA, NH, SC, and NV all going first on the same day. But, it makes no sense that people in NH and IA get to meet all the candidates in person while the medium and large states that will actually decide the election have to sit on the sidelines.


25 posted on 09/30/2011 11:49:14 AM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: Crucial

I wouldn’t expect Cain to roast Romney...he endorsed him in ‘08 and is coming out against Perry. It’s almost like Cain is in cahoots with Romney against Perry.


26 posted on 09/30/2011 11:52:49 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

YES!!!


27 posted on 09/30/2011 11:55:22 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Lou Budvis

But they still will take a back seat. This is a good explanation. http://theiowarepublican.com/2011/get-ready-for-an-early-january-caucus-unless-the-rnc-gets-tough-with-florida/


28 posted on 09/30/2011 11:56:52 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: shield

It’s different in each State so I wasn’t for sure about the laws in Florida.


29 posted on 09/30/2011 12:01:29 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: pgyanke

That “major stake” in the convention was just cut in half. FL was told it would lose half of its delegates, if it violated RNC rules and scheduled a primary “too early.”


30 posted on 09/30/2011 12:03:41 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: mmichaels1970
IMO, the state that cast the greatest % of GOP votes for POTUS in the previous election should be first, and so on down the line.

Primaries could be grouped on that basis to have several in one day, but the greatest % of GOP votes would rule.

There is no reason to have primaries first in states that the GOP will never carry. The party should be governed by the voters that vote that way, NOT NE liberal puke states that vote for RATS.

31 posted on 09/30/2011 12:04:11 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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anybody on here going to be campaigning in NH IA NV ? Unless it becomes a ‘must’ event for freepers this year, I’ll go to observe the conservative spectators.

Yep, it usually a bunch of conservative spectators and observers watching each other without much campaigning getting done.


32 posted on 09/30/2011 12:04:56 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; Clintonfatigued; randita

anybody on here going to be campaigning in NH IA NV ? Unless it becomes a ‘must’ event for freepers this year, I’ll go to observe the conservative spectators.

Yep, it usually a bunch of conservative spectators and observers watching each other without much campaigning getting done.


33 posted on 09/30/2011 12:08:18 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: pgyanke

All this is going to do is move IA, NH, and SC into January.


34 posted on 09/30/2011 12:11:55 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-eyed killer of the deep.)
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To: pgyanke

This whole early primary thing is insane. The front-loading almost assures that an establishment waste will win, like Romney. He sucks, and I guarantee you that this jamming of sewage down our throats will engender a substantial third party effort. Bob


35 posted on 09/30/2011 12:13:31 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: pgyanke

Well, if it is official, then we will have 5 primary/caucuses before the end of January.

Great.

This is idiotic. And it also gives Romney a near lock.

(Can’t wait to hear the “Reagan didn’t announce till November” points yet again....forgetting that in 1980, the Iowa caucus was FEBRUARY 25. Not, like January 5).

This should put a nail into the “reconsiderations” of both Huckabee and Christie.

That puts Iowa at about 90 days away. And about 30 of those days are more or less “holidays”.

Like it or not, friends, the field is set.

Would that Jindal, Barbour, Daniels, DeMint and many others (and yes, even Huck and Christie) had run and gotten in back in the summer. We would have had more to choose from. Now the calendar is shortening, dramatically, and the field is set. Again, this gives a big advantage for Romney who has been running forever....way to go Florida.


36 posted on 09/30/2011 12:25:29 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Lou Budvis

An earlier FL primary clinching it for John McCain wasn’t really a good thing.


37 posted on 09/30/2011 12:29:12 PM PDT by No Socialist
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To: pgyanke

Doesn’t give us much time to campaign, my family supports Herman Cain.


38 posted on 09/30/2011 12:30:35 PM PDT by Tomato lover (We need an army of Herman Cain voters!!)
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To: pgyanke

Doesn’t give us much time to campaign,

This Florida family supports Herman Cain.


39 posted on 09/30/2011 12:31:21 PM PDT by Tomato lover (We need an army of Herman Cain voters!!)
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To: All

via twitter:

Senior RNC official confirms NH and SC would lose half their delegates by moving into January.


40 posted on 09/30/2011 12:32:36 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: pgyanke

Who benefits from this? Romney. He and the GOP Establishment are playing conservatives for fools, most recently by arguing with a straight face that Romney is more conservative than Perry. Only an utter moron would believe that Romney would be any better on illegal immigration than Perry. All of us conservatives dissatisfied with Perry had better be careful that we are not paving the way for the substantially worse Romney. And moving the Florida primary up hurts the chances of any the other candidates moving up. I smell an Establishment rat (an Establishment, Rockefeller Repubican rat).


41 posted on 09/30/2011 12:47:47 PM PDT by Stingray51
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg; shield

If my “Gays for Perry 2012” shirt is done in time, I’m planning on wearing that, a big styrofoam cowboy hat and a pair of chaps to the debate in NH next month.


42 posted on 09/30/2011 12:50:50 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (If not Perry, it's Romney. And if it's Romney, it's Obama.)
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To: Lou Budvis

I agree with you. I don’t know why people have their panties in a twist about this. If any particular candidate can’t get it together and win by then, that’s their problem. I’m tired of NH and Iowa getting to determine who goes on and who doesn’t.


43 posted on 09/30/2011 12:59:32 PM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Again you are too funny...


44 posted on 09/30/2011 1:08:09 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: shield
I understand ballots for military have to be printed and sent out before long especially Florida.

Florida doesn't bother to count military votes unless they help out the democrat. Remember the hanging chads? The painful recount probably would not have been needed if they had counted the Military absentee vote.

For that matter I think, that they won't be counted at all unless it would be expected to change an outcome. I suppose a state could count absentee votes before election day but, I don't know if any state does that.

45 posted on 09/30/2011 1:11:08 PM PDT by itsahoot (Amazon Fire--Apple is doomed. In other news, Timex will kill Rolex-News at 11:00)
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To: itsahoot

I doesn’t matter whether they count them or not...they still have to be printed and sent out.


46 posted on 09/30/2011 1:17:59 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: beandog
How is political party lineage any different than royal lineage, it they limit our choices to one of their own?

Or maybe that is what we really want, a king who lets us tend his land.

47 posted on 09/30/2011 1:20:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (Amazon Fire--Apple is doomed. In other news, Timex will kill Rolex-Details at 11:00)
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To: itsahoot

I haven’t got the faintest clue what you are talking about. Nobody is limiting your choices. In fact NH and Iowa limit everybody else choices.

I think all primaries should be held on the same day.


48 posted on 09/30/2011 1:24:43 PM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: pgyanke

Way to go Florida, looking forward to gracing you with my presence and my dollars very soon...


49 posted on 09/30/2011 1:28:43 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: tcrlaf
"While I understand Florida wants to separate itself from Super Tuesday, all this does is force out under-funded candidates early, who can’t compete in such a high-cost state."

Cain is underfunded, and Cain would upset Florida if the primary was tomorrow. As it is, it's only four months away, and he's still a good chance to upset.

Whitebread and Cornfed needed to be kicked to the curb. It's all about a CLOSED PRIMARY from a state with a REALISTIC SAMPLE POPULATION prominent in the early going. It's the best thing to happen to the GOP election process since Reagan turned NC on its ear in '76 and took it all the way to the convention...

50 posted on 09/30/2011 1:37:26 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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