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Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate Is Legit
Fox News ^ | 4/29/11 | Jana Winter

Posted on 04/29/2011 5:52:16 PM PDT by Nachum

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

Related Links Obama Birth Certificate Moved to More Secure Location Months Ago

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

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To: Nachum

“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

“I’d be more afraid it’d be fake if it was one in piece. It would be harder to check if it’s a good one if it’s a fake,” Tremblay said.


That’s one reason to believe it was a sloppy use of an OCR scanner than a faked document. The “it’s so bad it can’t be a fake” excuse.

One real reason its not a fake is the AP version is from the other physical document and has none of the obscure squirrelly PDF layer artifacts and otherwise has all of the same image on the document.


161 posted on 04/29/2011 7:51:45 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Nachum

Right down to the signature of u.k.le.Lee.


162 posted on 04/29/2011 7:51:51 PM PDT by databoss
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To: IMR 4350

So you think that in 1961 a woman could give birth in Kenya, and a couple of weeks later be in Washington state with the baby?


163 posted on 04/29/2011 7:53:30 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: RS_Rider

“Now Trump’s all happy that he doesn’t have to answer all of those birth certificate questions anymore....smell a rat?”......smell rat(S) i smell the odinga/obama connection, the massacre @ waco, the successful Charter School in Chicago, Sally Purdue’s pretty legs, the Chryler and GM Dealers, and Kathy Ferguson, the Mena Boy’s, the Cummin’s Blood Scandal, 57 States of islam, Jim McDougall’s demise, where der reader’ll stand when the evil winds blow, Jerry Parks, and that’s off the top of my head, and I have a cold and runny nose.


164 posted on 04/29/2011 7:54:10 PM PDT by stickywillie
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To: jonrick46

Here is write-up.

1) The bend in the certificate image on the left side. Any certified copy of a HawaiiLFBC created recently does not have this ‘left side bend’. This phenomena seems to from when certified copies where made from actual photos of an actual document. Modern creations show this image as very flat oriented. Likely because they are stored in a digital document library and were scanned on flatbed scanner individually. The Nordyke Twins (born the day after Obama) certified copies are well known. These certified copies are well known. These DO have
the left side bend in them. Certified copies made in the 2000s – do not.

2) The X’s in the boxes on 2 of the lines in the Obama LFBC are completely misaligned from the rest of the type on the same line. No other LFBC certified copies show these phenomena. None. The known authentic LFBCs show the X
lined up with the text on the same line – as you expect when someone uses a manual typewriter.

3) The centered vs. left tab alignment. The Obama LFBC has text centered in the form fields. But comparison to known real images of LFBCs from that period clearly show that mechanical typewriter was used and aligned the text via
mechanical tabs. The Obama form is the only one known to show centered text – an all but impossible feat to do with mechanical typewriters in 1961.

4) There are different types of commas in the Obama document. Impossible if the same typewriter was used.


165 posted on 04/29/2011 7:54:24 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Peter Libra
Your point acknowledged and well taken here. I presume if someone gained a copy of the original long form, that stamp would state "TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT".

I would still stay with the view that a rubber stamp signature and a statement, does not tell us that the Doctor himself actually stamped the document.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your comment, but are you assuming that the actual original document bound in the records book contains the stamp?

The actual original document does not contain the stamp or raised seal. The stamp (and seal) is placed on the sheet of paper that is sent when a BC is requested. The purpose of the stamp (and seal) is for the current State Registrar to confirm that the document being sent is an official, accurate copy or representation of the original, which remains bound in the records book.

166 posted on 04/29/2011 7:54:33 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: SpaceBar
When Fox News examines a dead-tree version

They did. Obama ordered two certified copies of his long-form birth certificate. His personal attorney from Perkins Coie flew to Hawaii and picked up the copies.

One copy was for Obama's personal records. The other copy was distributed to the WH Press Corp in the WH Briefing Room. Reporters were allowed to see, touch, feel, photograph, and photocopy it. They examined it. The Fox WH reporter got his own copy and spoke on the air about examining the physicial document.

167 posted on 04/29/2011 7:55:19 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

Exactly. I’ve been using these tools from the beginning, too. There is no software I know of on the planet that can successfully extract the handwritten elements and the printed form elements plus the form lines then plunk them down onto a modern green hatched background. That would all require a lot of hand processing and could not be implemented at large scale to convert all the BCs on file. Plus, why would they do that? BC’s have never required non-copyable secure backgrounds before.

The State of HI should publicly describe their technology and protocols for converting their BCs to digitized records. A simple graphics image such as tiff or a photographic RAW image would do the job nicely.

There is absolutely NO legitimate need I can think of for the state or anybody else to go to the trouble to create all those layers and recomposite the image. I can only think of nefarious designs — perhaps something as simple as keeping the controversy intentionally alive through Nov. 2012.

What an absolute low-morals, zero character dirtbag we have in office.


168 posted on 04/29/2011 7:56:15 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: over3Owithabrain

I looked at a COLB that was printed in 2007 and it had the same certifying statement as there is now. I’m thinking maybe they switched to that statement when they started printing out computer-generated abstracts, so their certifying stamp would work with either a long-form or a short-form. Sure makes it seem like Onaka’s 2001 order that they wouldn’t print long-forms any more seem like a fabrication, if the registrar’s stamp used specific wording that could apply to both long-forms and COLB’s.

What hinders everything is the fact that both the HDOH and Obama are liars who break laws and rules as easily as they blink, and almost as often. And that is the problem. Post-modernism, where everybody decides on their own truth, doesn’t work in real life, but that’s what we’ve got in the White House right now and in government offices all over the country - people who make up their own truth as necessary so nobody can ever know anything.


169 posted on 04/29/2011 7:57:39 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: null and void

You betcha!


170 posted on 04/29/2011 7:57:52 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: moehoward
If it was OCR the text in the certificate could be editable. Clearly not desirable in a document of this nature.

Someone else just said that in order for it be OCR there has to be text files present and they were all graphic files. (don't remember who to credit for that)

171 posted on 04/29/2011 7:57:58 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

The Fox WH reporter got his own copy and spoke on the air about examining the physicial document.

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They better be careful. The last person to make a claim of doing that is now apparently missing....

Anyone seen Jess Henig?


172 posted on 04/29/2011 7:58:48 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Brown Deer

You are on to what actually happened. The entire document could have been generated by Madelyn Dunham by filling out a form provided by the hospital. You will notice on this COLB there is a check box for the “Attendant” that designates “Midwife.” Now if a midwife was an attendant, that means the birth was a home delivery. Also, a private practitioner could have done the birth in his private office. This form could have been done while Stanley Ann was with Baby Barack a thousand miles away in Seattle, Washington.

We need to look carefully at the way the “D” was written in the word “Dunham.” That is not how Stanley Ann wrote the “D” in her name. Check it out for yourself, folks. Does anyone know where one could find any hand writing samples of Stanley Ann’s mom, Madelyn Dunham?

Finally, I think that Stanley Ann applied for state assistance when she was in Seattle, Washington. If she did, I think she would have to supply a COLB of Baby Barry to the State of Washington. That COLB should be on file in the archives at Washington State. It is my theory that the COLB had to be produced and Stanley Ann called upon her mother to send a COLB from Hawaii. Being a bank vice president, Madelyn Dunham knew how to get one.

As far as I am concerned, I am still not convinced we saw a real COLB from Zer0. Like his nickname, we will get Zer0 from him.


173 posted on 04/29/2011 7:59:10 PM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

This was posted above. Of course it’s BS. Everything about him is BS as it is with most usurpers and dictator wannabes.

_________________________

Google Jean-Claude Tremblay+Obama Campaign and here is some of what you will get....

‘Yes We Did! An inside look at how social media built the Obama brand
Jul 28, 2010 ... In Yes We Did, new media strategist and campaign volunteer ... Jean-Claude Tremblay. Rahaf Harfoush have done a remarkable job in this book ...’

http://www.amazon.com/inside-social-media-built-Obama/dp/0321631536

In short, he is a paid Obama hack.


174 posted on 04/29/2011 7:59:18 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: RS_Rider

“Why would you scan the document using OCR when you have no need to edit the text? It seems funny to me why you would scan the document in this manner.”

The PDF artifact shows they used Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext to create via Print-to-PDF, out of an Adobe tool, which apparently got it from the scanner. Why use OCR? Because the user didnt know better.

Now here is the REAL lesson:
We have morons at the White House. Here we have inflation creeping up, the dollar down, jobs down, mideast aflame, the Taliban revived and ... gulp, the White House cant even operate office equipment. And why did they bother anywhat instead of just giving the hard-copy original to the press?

you know what the Obama White House is hiding? Incompetence.

Be afraid, be very afraid.


175 posted on 04/29/2011 7:59:23 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Texas Fossil

i wish barry had been adopted.


176 posted on 04/29/2011 8:00:18 PM PDT by stickywillie
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To: visually_augmented
I was kind of thinking about this yesterday. The document we see for Obama and the Nordyke twins are not the documents that the Hospital would generate - at least I don’t think they are. The reason I say this is that the Hospital generates a true Birth certificate that includes weight, footprint, and other vital info which is not part of these documents. But none-the-less, these documents are signed by the mother and doctor. So they could be done by the hospital or maybe another, more administrative body? I don’t really know exactly how this worked in 1961 but there does seem to be quite a delay between the birth (Aug. 4) and the mother’s signature (Aug. 7). This is true in the case of Obama and the Nordyke babies.

The Obama and Nordyke COLB's were generated by the HDOH, not the hospital. I know the BC's I have in my house have all been generated and provided by the state, not the hospital. In fact, I have never been given a hospital generated BC, neither for me nor my son. I don't doubt that the hospital maintains medical records, but that is a completely different thing than a state generated BC.

177 posted on 04/29/2011 8:00:26 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: EyeGuy

“Where is the original PAPER document?”

Great question. One theory is that the Obama WH is holding it back, knowing the birthers would doubt it, so they can release it and once again embarrass the birthers.

Our lapdog media should have asked this on Wedsnesday.


178 posted on 04/29/2011 8:01:05 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: matt1
instead of all these so-called experts, why aren’t the original documents being submitted to an independent, certified document forensics lab and then have those results released publicly?" Thank you for pointing this out.

This kind of thing is dealt with by courts of law every day. The most recent BC released by Obama wouldn't even be ALLOWED in a court because of the Best Evidence Rule. Still, it could (theoretically) be determined pretty definitively in court.

The problem we face now is that no court, no judge, no defense, no prosecution, no document expert, no jury, can any longer be trusted to render an objective verdict. And no television media outlet can be trusted to report any verdict truthfully.

There is no one left to trust. There are only levels of distrust. And Obama & Co. reside in the bottommost of those levels.

179 posted on 04/29/2011 8:02:38 PM PDT by PENANCE
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To: BuckeyeTexan

More proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. INS documents and Harvard University letters show that Obama Sr. was a polygamist and that Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii.

Harvard and State Department colluded to get rid of Obama’s father
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2712426/posts

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54015762/Barack-Hussein-Obama-Sr-Immigration-File


Page 34 at this link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/54015762/Barack-Hussein-Obama-Sr-Immigration-File is a INS memo from Obama Senior’s file.

This memo is dated 8/31/61 and says the following regarding “Obama, Barack H.”

Claims to intend to attend University of Hawaii for at least one more year to gain B.A. in Economics.

U.S.C (United States Citizen) spouse to go to Washington State University next semester. When finished school he plans to go to a mainland school for a Doctor Degree (sic) in Economics - after that to return to Kenya. They have one child born Honolulu 8/4/61 - Barack Obama II, child living with mother (she lives with her parents & subject lives at 1482 Alencastre Street.)


Barack Hussein Obama
DOB: 6/18/34
SSN: 575-44-4342


Page 39:

Mrs. McCabe, Foreign Student Advisor, University of Hawaii informs INS on 4/10/61 that Barack Hussein Obama married Stanley Ann Dunham in Maui, Hawaii on 2/2/61 and that there is a problem because he has a wife in Kenya. She further notes that Obama Sr. has been running around with several girls and that she cautioned him about his “playboy ways.”

Obama Sr. told Mrs. McCabe that he divorced his wife in Kenya via tribal custom of verbally telling wife she is divorced.

Memo discusses that Obama Sr. cannot be deported for polygamy but that if they can get a bigamy conviction then they may be able to deport him. Memo recommends thorough questioning of Obama Sr. before granting extension of stay and to consider denial. Further advises that if U.S.C. (United States citizen) wife tries to petition for an extension on his behalf that the bona-fides of the marriage be thoroughly investigated.


180 posted on 04/29/2011 8:03:48 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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