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The Advanced Japanese teacher doesn't speak Japanese (watch movies)
Sacramento Bee ^ | Melody Gutierrez

Posted on 02/22/2011 3:14:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Kayla Chung sits in her advanced Japanese language class at Rosemont High School but learns nothing about how to read or write the language.

That's because Chung's teacher – a long-term substitute – does not know Japanese.

"All we do is sit in class, watch movies on Japan and take notes," said Chung, 16, who is in Japanese III. "I'm pretty sure that's not how Japanese is supposed to be taught."

The situation at Rosemont highlights the difficulties schools face when offering specialized programs that have relatively few qualified teachers.

Rosemont's popular Japanese language classes were previously taught by a woman who went on maternity leave in August. The substitute the school hired to fill in for her quit in November.

.... An art teacher with a background in Asian studies was brought on in December and will remain until April when the regular teacher returns from maternity leave.

The substitute, who is also teaching Japanese I, II and IV, does not know the language and instead focuses on the culture and history of the country.

.....Chung, the Rosemont student, said she will sit out Japanese III for the rest of the year knowing she won't be able to talk with the school's Japanese exchange student any time soon.

"I feel like we are just getting BS work so we can get class credits," Chung said. "To me, these credits don't mean anything because I'm not learning what I should."

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.....specialized programs that have relatively few qualified teachers.

Teaching credentials!

Can't teach until you're certified!

1 posted on 02/22/2011 3:14:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why don’t they bring that exchange student in there and have him (or her) see what can be worked out between them. I bet they’ll be gabbing pretty well, even if in atrocious English and Japanese, within a couple of months.


2 posted on 02/22/2011 3:16:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: All
On a related matter:

How government grows and grows! The massively expanding field of "Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages, Inc" -- TESOL -- Global Education Association.

3 posted on 02/22/2011 3:20:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Pathetic. You would think that in a place as diverse as California that the school system could easily find someone, anyone, who met the legal requirements to work and pass a criminal background check who is fluent in Japanese.

So stupid.

4 posted on 02/22/2011 3:23:36 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

5 posted on 02/22/2011 3:24:26 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

With today’s technology, remote learning.


6 posted on 02/22/2011 3:24:36 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The situation at Rosemont highlights the difficulties schools face when offering specialized programs that have relatively few qualified teachers.
z^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So?...Rather than hire an uncertified person who actually speaks Japanese, the school provides a totally incompetent “teacher” who doesn't speak any Japanese.

Welcome to Obamacare!

If anyone wants to know how bloated and incompetent our health care will be under government ownership, one only needs to glance over at our government schools.

7 posted on 02/22/2011 3:25:21 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"All we do is sit in class, watch movies on Japan and take notes," said Chung, 16, who is in Japanese III. "I'm pretty sure that's not how Japanese is supposed to be taught."

It could be worse. With me, I'd be feeding you a steady diet of the old Godzilla movies...

8 posted on 02/22/2011 3:26:28 AM PST by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Was wondering the same thing myself. Conversational Japanese for now.


9 posted on 02/22/2011 3:27:45 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: LRS

I bet American kids could learn from Godzilla movies.


10 posted on 02/22/2011 3:30:39 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

“Save the earth;
Save the earth.”


11 posted on 02/22/2011 3:32:46 AM PST by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oooooi. Ano kurasu oshieru yo!


12 posted on 02/22/2011 3:34:14 AM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: pepsionice
I bet American kids could learn from Godzilla movies.

I learned to never ride the train in Tokyo.

13 posted on 02/22/2011 3:38:44 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why not have the janitor teach nuclear physics?

Oh I know why. Because the janitor doesn’t have an “education degree”.

Government schools. What a joke.


14 posted on 02/22/2011 3:40:28 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"I feel like we are just getting BS work so we can get class credits," Chung said. "To me, these credits don't mean anything because I'm not learning what I should."

I like this kid. I don't get the impression that a trophy for completing the class and a "learning collage" would help Kayla to feel better about an empty class. She's learned the important lesson that self-esteem comes from accomplishment.

15 posted on 02/22/2011 3:40:33 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: pepsionice

“I bet American kids could learn from Godzilla movies.”

You’re right, plus it would help teach the all important anti-American theme.. e.g. ‘American imperialists bombed Japan, causing the radiation that produced Godzilla...’.


16 posted on 02/22/2011 3:41:29 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And prospects wonder why I am not interested in their “paper” when they apply for a job.
What value are these creds if you can’t speak word one on Japanese??


17 posted on 02/22/2011 3:42:09 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Pollster1

Chung sounds like a Chinese name — Asians tend to take their learning more seriously than the average gringo.

Yet, there’s far more in common between Chinese and Japanese, than between English and either one.


18 posted on 02/22/2011 3:45:01 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: samtheman

Gubmint skoolz..... the damn school system nor obviously the “teachers” give too hoots in hell whether or not kids learn, its all about head count for mo gubmint money.

Home School, your kids will be better off for it!


19 posted on 02/22/2011 3:48:09 AM PST by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: samtheman

The janitor could not even teach floor waxing for lack of an education degree, no matter how expert he might be in the subject.


20 posted on 02/22/2011 3:53:55 AM PST by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maternity leave from August to April? Wow! What’s up with that?


21 posted on 02/22/2011 3:59:33 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: RipSawyer

In modern Educationism, “real teachers” don’t need to know anything and those who actually know something are locked out of teaching.


22 posted on 02/22/2011 4:06:10 AM PST by samtheman
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To: LRS

Gojira!!! hey, are you a fellow big lizzard fan? What about Giant Robot?


23 posted on 02/22/2011 4:18:53 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: wintertime

Great point!!


24 posted on 02/22/2011 4:20:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: wintertime

And to add to that.

Can you imagine how LARGE the health care union will be?


25 posted on 02/22/2011 4:21:03 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
When it comes to Japanese language there are few teachers ~ end of story.

The reasons for that are buried deep in American history, but what it amounts to is that AFTER the Japanese-Americans were released from the government's camps they sought to more fully assimilate their children so that this was less likely to happen to them in the future.

So, nobody taught their kids Japanese language. A few did, but the overwhelming majority didn't.

Even the ladies brought back by GIs from the Orient didn't teach the kids Japanese either. The few Japanese immigrants or long term business representatives here didn't get into the teaching of Japanese. Japanese Americans in Hawaii may well have let their kids learn the local Creoles but they made sure they used English as their FIRST and ONLY language for purposes of education.

By the time you get through the years where the Ise are mostly gone and the Neisei have taken over and dominated JA culture, that third generation ~ and even moreso with the fourth and fifth generation ~ flocked to the professions of accounting, law, medicine, architecture, and to the arts. Japanese American artists and musicians abound in America and live in every city and town.

Those folks don't become Japanese language teachers, or even teachers!

Credentials aren't a problem ~

26 posted on 02/22/2011 4:22:02 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I don't know how to read either language and all I know is how to badly pronounce Banzai, Moshi-moshi and ohaio-gozama, dozo, but I think Chinese and Japanese are from different family trees -- the Japanese is more Tungushic, related to Korean rather than Chinese.

And the Chinese now right in modified Chinese, while the Japanese still retain the old Chinese script (Kanji) - of course the Japanese have 3 scripts - Kanji for old Japanese words, katakana for new words borrowed from other languages (Walkman, piku-niku) and hiragana for grammar.

I was once working on a project for storing this data on a database and it was crazy to me!
27 posted on 02/22/2011 4:23:44 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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Maternity leave from August to April? Wow! What’s up with that?

She must have been off starting with the June summer let out. Soooooooo.....let's say she comes back the end of April and then gets off again the first part of June -- that must be the ONE month she has to teach in a school year to keep some benefit.

Truly shameless.

28 posted on 02/22/2011 4:25:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I hope you mean "culturally" because the English language and Chinese languages have much more in common than either has with the Japanese language.

Jus' the way it is although Japanese is quickly catching up by absorbing tens of thousands of English words.

Chung is a pretty common KOREAN name, and not often a CHINESE name in America, although there are Chinese and Koreans named Chung.

29 posted on 02/22/2011 4:26:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Thank you for the information.

It seems like something so obscure that the school should not offer it.


30 posted on 02/22/2011 4:26:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Why don’t they bring that exchange student in there and have him (or her) see what can be worked out between them.

That sounds like a good solution to me but the school would be admitting (and publicizing) their incompetence, plus the Japanese kid might correctly demand to be paid.

An added benefit might be that the kids could learn all the Japanese swear words.


31 posted on 02/22/2011 4:28:53 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: dusttoyou

Can you learn Japanese at your home school?


32 posted on 02/22/2011 4:30:51 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Pollster1
......She's learned the important lesson that self-esteem comes from accomplishment.

Yes! It sounds like she doesn't need to get her self-esteem from one of those fraudulent "My Child is an Honor Student" bumper sticker that teacher's unions pass around to make tax payers and parents think education is happening in public schools. The smart (really intelligent) kids know it's a scam.

33 posted on 02/22/2011 4:33:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: samtheman

So VERY true!!! I used to teach in the Continuing Ed/Corporate Division for 2 local colleges but wasn’t “qualified” to teach on the academic side. What a joke! In other words, I WAS qualified to teach adults and those in industry who actually used and needed to learn the programs that I was teaching (non-credit) but I WAS NOT qualified to teach the same subjects to mush-heads attending on either government or mommy & daddy’s money for credit.


34 posted on 02/22/2011 4:36:51 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“She must have been off starting with the June summer let out. Soooooooo.....let’s say she comes back the end of April and then gets off again the first part of June — that must be the ONE month she has to teach in a school year to keep some benefit.”

Not her fault it was probably negotiated by thug unions.


35 posted on 02/22/2011 4:36:53 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Cronos; HiTech RedNeck
Chinese is its own family of languages. They are all very much like English in using position and order to indicate grammar. Chinese, and many other languages around the world, including a number in Mexico and South America, use TONE. The Chinese actually have a "gene"that enables them to make use of TONE more readily than non-Chinese.

Japanese is clearly related to the language currently in use in Korea and much of Eastern Siberia. It's oldest vocabulary is substantially Turkic in origin. It is also a relatively recent language with its earliest literature suggesting it was BROUGHT TO Eastern Siberia, Korea and Japan by Western Chinese Turkic speaking conquerors about 1600 years ago.

An older theory has it arising in place among the existing Jomon and Ya Yoi cultures, but more recent work with ancient Sakha/Yakuts royal accounts/journals pins this language down to what is now the largest Russian province/republic in the Far East.

That population differs from those around it in that they herd cattle as well as horses, yaks, goats, sheep and reindeer! For all practical purposes they were part of the Chinese civilization to the East and were their technological equal. They traveled North and South from Siberia to Eastern India and appear to be identical to the Sakha mentioned in the Mahabarata.

These are the people who migrated from Siberia to Korea and Japan to escape the climate anomaly that brought the Dark Ages.

36 posted on 02/22/2011 4:37:55 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The public schools are not the place to learn Japanese. Best bet would be to find a Japanese Buddhist Dojo and see if they have someone who teaches.


37 posted on 02/22/2011 4:40:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; HiTech RedNeck
The Chinese actually have a "gene"that enables them to make use of TONE more readily than non-Chinese.

you are a veritable font of information, muawiyah! I did not know that. I know that Cantonese has tones, but Mandarin not so much (how much I don't know).

interestingly the Yakuts have the coldest places to live on earth -- the basin of the river Lena reached -60 C this winter.
38 posted on 02/22/2011 4:46:11 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Cronos

Huh, so Japanese does have ties to Indo-European via Turkic. Japan did borrow China’s symbols, but apparently didn’t use the Chinese meanings.


39 posted on 02/22/2011 4:49:17 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You can buy a full set of Pimsleur, Japanese language CDs for $470, and the class could listen to them together. They could get rid of the “teacher” and save tons of money.


40 posted on 02/22/2011 4:49:52 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: bert

If it can afford a copy of Rosetta Stone or similar language software (about $350 last time I saw it in Staples) there’s no reason why a home school can’t take that on. This is supposing the church (almost all home schoolers are avid church goers) can’t help locate a Japanese speaker, perhaps a missionary on furlough, to help out.


41 posted on 02/22/2011 4:52:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I quit teaching due to a stupid certification issue. Basically, they wanted me to take four courses that had absolutely nothing to do with what I was teaching in the classroom. I taught electronics and one of the first computer / networking repair courses in the State of Florida (1993) at a vocational school (technical center). After six years of teaching (won rookie teacher of the year the first year), several awards, received 100s of thousands in grant money, and my course copied throughout the state, I quit. I also had the highest job placement and the most successful students. I simply refused to take a History of Vocational Education course after the first three courses were a total joke. They told me, it is my way or the hi-way. I took the hi-way.


42 posted on 02/22/2011 4:55:23 AM PST by BushCountry (I spoken many wise words in jest, but no comparison to the number of stupid words spoken in earnest)
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To: Cronos

Tones mean something even in English. They can demarcate the difference between a statement and a question, and between sarcasm/irony and ordinary speech.


43 posted on 02/22/2011 4:55:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
I used to teach in the Continuing Ed/Corporate Division for 2 local colleges but wasn’t “qualified” to teach on the academic side.

Same here. I used to teach the teachers, but was not "qualified" to teach the students.

44 posted on 02/22/2011 4:57:15 AM PST by TheCipher
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Chung, ... she won't be able to talk with the school's Japanese exchange student any time soon.

If she cant converse with the exchange student, then what did she learn in Japanese I and II?????

45 posted on 02/22/2011 4:57:29 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Oh Magoo, you've done it again.....)
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To: BushCountry
I took the hi-way.

MANY have, including those who were certified!

46 posted on 02/22/2011 4:58:47 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, I don’t believe that. Turkic ties to Indo-European are only in Western Turkic languages dating from the time the Turks moved west (1000 AD) and much after the Tungushic languages birthed Japanese


47 posted on 02/22/2011 4:58:57 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Cronos
Thankfully I've been studying the people who live along the Lena for many years ~ when Dr. Mann came along with his tree ring data that he claimed showed substantial warming I could not help but notice the samples came from Yakuts/Sakha country along the Lena!

He faked it ~ that place is so nasty that people find it nearly impossible to engage in any occupations other than hunting wild animals for fur and meat, herding hardy beasts, and mining underground.

It doesn't take much to send the "native tribes " EAST or SOUTH to find better pasture or warmer weather ~ although they are mighty peculiar since they consider it "cold" when it gets down there in the low MINUS Fifties!

They've been slipping out of there for thousands of years ~ yet, when they escaped India/Nepal in the 200AD period they went right back up to Siberia, so they must have understood their traditional trade routes well (they intersect the Eastern reaches of the "Silk Road"). I'm guessing they maintained those routes even during multi-century long sojourns in China, India and Siberia ~ and only lost that knowledge when they went East to Korea and Japan.

48 posted on 02/22/2011 5:00:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cronos
The Western Turkic languages were in contact with the Romans in areas North of the Black Sea ~ one of the theories about some of the British stories (the Round Table, women warriors, ec) connect the Roman legions in Britain with conscripted feodorati from among Turkic speaking peoples in Khazan.

They were also in contact going back as far as 3000 BC when the "domesticated large horse" showed up ~ EVERYBODY jumped on that sucker!

49 posted on 02/22/2011 5:04:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m sure it’s sooooo hard finding a Japanese speaker in California.

Oh, wait... union rules.


50 posted on 02/22/2011 5:04:27 AM PST by dangus
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