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Inside The Life Of A Sovereign Citizen (See the face of a Tennessee "Domestic Terrorist")
News Channel 5 ^ | 11/23/2010 | News Channel 5

Posted on 11/23/2010 6:13:38 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour

He's a 69-year-old veteran who says he is no longer an American citizen.

"I am an American sovereign of the Republic of the United States of America," said Hollis Fay Summers. "I do know there's a lot of us."

He is part of a growing movement that the FBI labels domestic terrorism, but Summers said he is not violent.

"I am strictly for doing what I believe is right under the constitution," said Summers.

Summers lives in Union County, Tennessee. He became a sovereign four years ago after attending a seminar in Alabama.

Sovereigns believe you can separate yourself from government control and access secret government accounts by filing the right paperwork in court.

Summers is now in a battle with his bank which claims he is living in his home illegally.

He admitted he hasn't paid a mortgage in at least three years, but claims he paid off the loan in full, using money from his secret government account.

"I paid for the house, that's all I'll say about it. The house is paid for in full," Summers said.

NewsChannel 5 Investigates responded, "But the bank doesn't say that."

Summers said, "Well they agreed to it."

Retired federal ATF agent James Cavanaugh spent his career monitoring anti-government groups like sovereigns.

"Sovereigns are people who operate on the lunatic fringe of America," Cavanaugh said.

(Excerpt) Read more at newschannel5.com ...


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To: wideawake

He sounds like Rusty Shackleford to me.


21 posted on 11/23/2010 7:14:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: RaceBannon

Perhaps you’ve heard of Timothy McVeigh or Gordon Kahl or Eric Rudolph or Robert Matthews.


22 posted on 11/23/2010 7:20:16 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I don’t doubt the media went looking for the nuttiest one they could find for the interview. He destroys his own credibility they same way every other anarchist does. The bit about not paying his mortgage doesn’t help his case a lot.


23 posted on 11/23/2010 7:32:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

You’re absolutely right about the media. However, luckily for them, the “nuttiest” sovereign ideologist is more a matter of degree rather than kind.


24 posted on 11/23/2010 7:40:19 PM PST by wideawake
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To: The Comedian

Please add me to your CWII ping list.


25 posted on 11/23/2010 7:42:04 PM PST by Vor Lady
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To: wideawake

perhaps you never heard that McVeigh was working with MUSLIMS in OKC and Jayna Davis wrote a book on it called THE THIRD TERRORIST?

Perhaps you never heard that Eric Rudolph was always considered a LONER and a religious extremist who was rejected by every church that existed and had zero followers and therefore is NOT what the subject is about?

Gordon Kahl and Robert Matthews who?? If those guys were so famous and Right Wing militia types and so dangerous, why arent their names known like McVeigh and Rudolph?


26 posted on 11/23/2010 7:49:28 PM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: RaceBannon
All four men I mentioned characterized themselves as constitutionalists and patriots.

Whether or not any of them were "loners" or poorly socialized, or even if Davis' speculations were believable, it would not change the fact that all four were products of the constitutionalist/militia/patriot movement.

If you don't know who Kahl or Matthews were, it really doesn't matter - they are well known to history and to the families of the people they murdered.

27 posted on 11/23/2010 8:05:22 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
While not every one of these clowns is a terrorist, pretty much every non-Muslim terrorist in America is either an environmentalist anarchocommunist or a self-described constitutionalist/separatist/sovereign. This individual is clearly a monster of ego, who believes that he has no obligation to honor any contract or follow any law because he stands above the rules of morality and community. He is morally capable of pretty much any enormity.

Your destruction of rational discourse through mocking ridicule, hyperbolic insults and base slander has been adequate for the purpose of shutting down the germane legal topics of this thread. The presumptive administrative jurisdictional powers thank you for your efforts. You will receive two extra happy stickers in your pay envelope. Please return to your wall niche and recharge until further notice. Wipe your mouth, you're frothing again. That is all.


28 posted on 11/23/2010 10:54:20 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: wideawake
This individual is clearly a monster of ego, who believes that he has no obligation to honor any contract or follow any law because he stands above the rules of morality and community.

He sounds like Presidential material.

29 posted on 11/24/2010 2:45:51 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Talisker

Passing over the unintentional irony of your word salad, I just have to point out that this individual offers exactly no “germane legal theories.” He lives in a fantasy world unconnected to the Constitution of the Founding Fathers.


30 posted on 11/24/2010 3:39:57 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

tHEN I GUESS THEY’RE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY LUNATIC INDIVIDUAL AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY MASS MOVEMENT, THEY JUST HAPPENED TO BELONG TO ONE?

Sorry, caplock, too lazy to correct. :)


31 posted on 11/24/2010 5:05:50 AM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: RaceBannon
These men are indeed different from simply random insane individuals.

McVeigh was involved with and had contacts in many "patriot" and militia circles, most prominently the separatists of Elohim City.

Rudolph did as well - he was on the run for years and was likely assisted by associates of groups that he had contact with in the past.

Kahl was one of the organizers of the Posse Comitatus/Township Sovereignty movement that counted thousands of members in the 1980s. When he was killed in his final shootout he was staying with the leader of a Neo-Confederate separatist militia known as the "Covenant Sword And Arm Of The Lord" (CSA). Kahl was also a member of the Christian Identity/British Israelite movement.

Robert Matthews was a longtime member of the John Birch Society before he started the Bruder Schweigen group of the Aryan Nations separatists. Like Kahl he was also a member of the Christian Identity movement.

It is dishonest to pretend that these individuals are completely sui generis without any connections to the seedier, stupider side of the Constitutionalist/patriot movement.

As dishonest as it is for leftists and Muslims to pretend that they have nothing to do with the New Black Panther Party or Al-Qaeda.

This is why it is essential for authentic patriots and supporters of the Constitution to disassociate themselves from, criticize and reject idiots like these "sovereignty" cultists.

32 posted on 11/24/2010 6:28:36 AM PST by wideawake
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To: RobinOfKingston

Now its called “The Obama Administration” and still has the support of ~39% of the population...


33 posted on 11/24/2010 9:49:00 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: wideawake

Do you honestly believe that our current government follows the US Constitution? If you reply Yes then I will have no further remarks. If you say No, then why is this man a moron?


34 posted on 11/24/2010 10:16:50 AM PST by B4Ranch (I never met one Veteran who enlisted to fight for Socialism.)
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To: B4Ranch
Do you honestly believe that our current government follows the US Constitution?

In a number of important respects it does not.

why is this man a moron?

He apparently thinks that the US Constitution allows him to declare himself a personal sovereign, that it allows him to create his own currency that must be accepted as legal tender, that it allows him to decide whether or not he wants to pay taxes, and that it allows him to violate contracts with impunity.

This means that he is a person who is mentally incapable of reading a straightforwardly worded document that is only about 20 pages long - i.e. a moron.

35 posted on 11/24/2010 10:28:22 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Legal tender should be anything that people will accept, Myself I prefer gold or silver coins.

Taxes is a subject that I love. We have parasites voting to increase their benefits. I think only property owners should be allowed to vote on taxes for the many things which property owners are the primary supporters of such as public schools.

>>it allows him to violate contracts with impunity<<

Your evidence of this is what?


36 posted on 11/24/2010 11:03:02 AM PST by B4Ranch (I never met one Veteran who enlisted to fight for Socialism.)
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To: wideawake

>>Do you honestly believe that our current government follows the US Constitution?

In a number of important respects it does not.<<

Yet you support their right to do so and of course they should remain in authority of the people. Correct?


37 posted on 11/24/2010 11:04:39 AM PST by B4Ranch (I never met one Veteran who enlisted to fight for Socialism.)
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To: B4Ranch
Your evidence of this is what?

His admitted refusal to pay his mortgage using funds that are legal tender.

38 posted on 11/24/2010 11:09:36 AM PST by wideawake
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To: B4Ranch
Yet you support their right to do so and of course they should remain in authority of the people.

Governments don't have rights. They have powers.

"In authority of the people" isn't English and is therefore ambiguous.

If you're asking me whether I believe that people who violate their oath of office should remain in office, then no.

If you're asking me whether I believe that the dereliction of duty by an elected official gives citizens the option to ignore the law of the land, my answer is also no.

39 posted on 11/24/2010 11:14:42 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

“I paid for the house, that’s all I’ll say about it. The house is paid for in full,” Summers said.


40 posted on 11/24/2010 11:35:16 AM PST by B4Ranch (I never met one Veteran who enlisted to fight for Socialism.)
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