Posted on 03/27/2010 7:04:16 AM PDT by pinochet
Last year, I met with a former congressional aide, who said that there were several closeted atheists in Congress. To run for public office in America, it is almost a requirement that people publicly proclaim their religious affiliation, irrespective of whether they believe or not. Would you vote for a self-proclaimed atheist?
Sorry but i guess you both are responding to the wrong person because i never said this ;-)
greetings
No atheist gets my vote.
What if someone has a different God? Are all people who believe in a different God, without morality? Seems silly, doesn't it?
Sorry. It was no immediately obvious since the svcw words were not italized or otherwise highlighted. Of course, I didn't read all of your post.
Free will comes from God.
No an atheist can not be moral. Morality comes from God.
no
no...only a Christian or some Jews....Levin...Cantor..those types..a minority in the tribe
no Muzzie or Fuzzy religions either
“All the Jews I know believe in God.”
Perhaps you don’t know many Jews. I know a great many, probably more than you, because, where I grew up, about half my friends and neighbors were Jewish. My Boyscout troop was in a Jewish community center. Many of the Jews I’ve known did not really believe in God, but kept the Jewish traditions for cultural reasons.
There are many Jewish Atheists.
“Most of the founders of the state of Israel did not believe in “God”, but they did believe in the Jewish people and in our right to live in peace in the land where Judaism was born. Faith in the Jewish people is at the heart of Jewish atheism and Jewish religion alike.”
“There is only one God.”
I never asked that. Just because you believe your God is the one, it doesn’t mean anyone else does.
Hank
“No I would not vote for an atheist.”
Would you vote for a man who believed in a God, but not yours?
Would you, for example, vote for a man who did not believe Jesus Christ was God?
Would you vote for a conservative Jew?
Ever hear of Burt Prelutsky. He’s Jewish, not a theist, but a more sound conservative than anyone I know.
Hank”
Simple once you remove God and Prayer from the equation all you have left is evil! Do I respect Atheists NO, do I trust them NO,How is their word any good? it is NOT ! Now I am sure Dawkins has cranked out some manure for you to read.
Thank you for a rational response.
Burt Prelutsky is a Conservative writer living in Los Angeles.
http://usabig.com/iindv/jrnl_auth.php?auth=prelutsky
Hank
“President Ronald Reagan didn’t attend regularly because he said security requirements were too burdensome for his congregation.”
NO
“There are a few conservative atheist FReepers and there’s a big difference between them and the atheists on the left.”
Agreed. I used to be an atheist, but I always had respect for Christians and their moral code.
I don’t care if the person worships algae growing on a rock if they are right with the Constitution and the Republic. If they are supporting and defending the Constitution then they are defending the right of every citizen to worship or not to worship at all as they see fit and at this point in history we need every voice and hand we can get in reestablishing the Constitution as the basis of our republic. There are too many “Christians” out there who would gladly limit the Constitutional rights of others who do not believe as they do. Exclusion based on belief is the domain of democrats and muslims, not conservatives.
Good questions.
Morality can not be defined by the individual.
Ok, whatever you say.
I know that ... but we weren’t discussing the reasons, I was responding directly to the question of another president that didn’t attend church.
“Not sure about the other folks you pinged, but my reply on this thread specifically referenced the Declaration of Independence as the foundational document and assertion of ideas behind this nation. To believe in the values expressed therein, one must believe in a supreme, immutable source from which our rights derive and which transcends any human power.”
There is a very big mistake here. We both believe we have eyes for seeing, and feet for walking, and that we have minds with which to think, and choose, and determine how work to produce those things our lives require. You believe it is God who endowed you with your eyes, and feet, and mind. I do not. Do you think, because I do not believe it was God who endowed me with eyes, and feet, and a mind, that I cannot use my eyes, and feet, and mind?
Why does man require freedom? What is the purpose of Government. Is it not to product our right to use those things we were endowed with without the interference of other men? Isn’t it so we will be free to use our eyes to see, our feet to walk, and our minds to think and choose and pursue happiness, however we got those things?
The actual words are, “All mean are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.” People have the wrong notion of what the founders meant by rights. They are not some kind of privilege or grant or guarantee. If they were, and we were already endowed with them, why would we need a government. God endowed you with eyes, and you don’t need a government to make sure you have them. God endowed you with feet, and you don’t need a government to make sure you have them. God endowed you with rights, but where are they? Why do you need a government if you are already endowed with them?
What rights mean is that there are certain requirements of human life, of beings with our nature, that determine what is right for us and what is not. A man must be free to use his eyes, to see. He must be free to use his feet to walk or run. He must be free to use his mind, to learn, to think, and choose. These are necessary to the very life of man, they are right.
The purpose of government to prevent others from using force to put out your eyes, or to cut off your feet, or to prevent you from using your mind to learn, and think, and choose, and to pursue happiness.
What is right for man is determined by the requirements of man’s nature. The founders thought that nature was given by God, and therefore what was right for man was determined by God’s endowment of that nature. If one understands the nature of man, he understands the nature and requirement of human rights, however he believes that nature came to be.
“The whole notion of “your God”, “My God” etc. is specious. There is God; he belongs to no man, no single religion, government or nation.”
So you think the Muslim Allah, the ancient Greek, Zeus, and Jehovah are all the same God?
Hank
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