Obama's parents didn't live at newspaper birth address

WorldNetDaily ^ | August 18, 2009 | Jerome R. Corsi

[RobinMasters]

Additional documents uncovered by WND support a previous report that President Obama's parents did not live together as husband and wife at the Honolulu address listed in birth announcements in two local newspapers.

Both newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, carried the announcement that Barack Obama Jr. was born Aug. 4, 1961, to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, residing at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Additional research has established that the grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham, lived at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, not Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham.

Moreover, Mr. and Mrs. Obama apparently did not live together after their marriage, with Dunham evidently remaining in the rented 6085 Kalanianaole Highway house.

Barack Obama Sr. lived alone at an 11th Avenue address in Honolulu, closer to the university. Dunham left Hawaii for Seattle in August 1961, the month of Barack Obama Jr.'s birth, to study at the University of Washington.

WND can find no listing in the Polk directories to document Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. ever living at the same address.

[El Gato]

Could mom have lived in the cottage in the back.

She could, but why would she, the main house is a nice big house, and since BHO Sr wasn't living at that address, why would she live in the cottage? Before the birth, there would be no advantage at all, and she, Stanley Ann, did not live there more than a few weeks after the birth, if she lived there at all after the birth.

[RummyChick]

There is one way that your theory would make sense. I am not up to speed on Kenyan history. They were going through upheaval. I don’t know where they were at at the time Ann found herself to be pregnant. Odinga didn’t become VP until later.

It is possible that he considered staying in the US but then saw the changes in his country and decided to go back.
However, remember he already had a son and wife in Kenya.

IF there was a marriage - it was a sham marriage - and he had to be given something to make it worth his while to lie on a marriage application that could cause him to face prison.

[justiceseeker93]

Additional research has established that the grandparents lived at [the address listed in the birth announcements].

That's a new finding as far as most of us are concerned. But it still doesn't rule out the possibility that the microfilms of the respective newspapers weren't tampered with to include the Obama announcement at a later date. Plus, if all the birth announcements were submitted to the newspapers by the state health department, why was the announcement for the Nordyke twins - unquestionably born in Honolulu on Aug. 5, 1961 - NOT included in the respective newspapers at the same time as Obama's supposedly was?

[RummyChick]

If anyone here has contact with WND..tell them to call that guy who SUPPOSEDLY wrote the email about Cundo being Obama’s father. His phone number and email address are on the net included in some of his writings .

Ask him if he really wrote that email and find out what he knows.

[adanaC]

Maybe his unwed mother was a temporary live-in maid and/or babysitter, while she lived there and was pregnant with him.

There were a lot of ads in all newspapers in those days asking for live-in babysitters, ... an unwed mother welcome.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2150358/replies?c=5

To: PistolPaknMama
LOL POsting here the information which I found during my often fruitless research into Orland and Thelma.

I have been researching this since the end of November when I discovered who owned the house which is listed in the birth announcement. The owner of the house was one
Orland Scott Lefforge who died July 4, 2007 at the age of 91. His wife/companion Thelma Young died June 28,2008. Surprise, surprise.
It got interesting when I discovered he had a Phd and yet has many less hits on google than even I do!
The only thing I am waiting for at the moment is an email from the University of Hawaii at Manao advising me when he returned to teach there in the 60’s.
Below is a short bit of what I have been able to gather and again it has left me with many more questions than answers. (Seems to be a familiar story in all things Jr)
Orland Scott Lefforge born July 31,1915 in Pettisville, Ohio died July 4, 2007 in Kaiser Medical Center. He was a former Professor at University of Hawaii. He is survived by companion Thelma Young, son Daniel, daughters Andrea Harper and Mia Blake, brother Marian, three grandchildren and a great-grandchild. Services: 11 am next Saturday at the courtyard of George Hall, University of Hawaii at Manao. Casual attire.
Thelma Young
June 28,2008
Thelma Young, 91, of Honolulu died. She was born in Trenton, N.J. (nee Jones) She is survived by son Daniel Lefforge, daughters Andrea Harper and Mia Blake, three grandchildren and a great-grandchild. Private services.
Even trying to find information for the children as been frustrating! Birthdates for them are as follows:
Andrea 3/15/55
Mia 1959
Daniel 1960
There is a genealogy tree which indicates Andrea and Mia were adopted. Figuring it out Thelma would have been 43 when Daniel was born in 1960. Also Andrea would have been 6 years old in 1961 and would remember a woman and baby living in the yard. I have been unable to find much of anything on any of the three!
I was able to find that Orland graduated from Urbana High School in Indiana in 1932. He attended Manchester College in Indiana and graduated from there in 1936. From there he attended University of Wisconsin at Madison during the years 1936 to 1940 when he received his Master’s in Speech.(now known as Communication) I discovered this fact quite by chance when I came across a hit for him and the name of his thesis “Daniel W. Voorhees: Indiana Orator” which appears in a compilation along with works by others. I also received verification from UW at Madison that he received his Master’s in 1940.
Then it gets interesting. Ancestry.com has Orland Lefforge registering in the army in 1941, but the information listed is confusing.
Ancestry.com
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records
Name: Orland Scott Lefforge
Birth Year: 1915
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: Ohio
State: Indiana
County or City: Wabash
Enlistment Date: 15 Jul 1941
Enlistment State: Indiana
Enlistment City: Fort Benjamin Harrison
Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Branch Code: Branch Immateria - Warrant Officers, USA
Grade: Private
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source:Civil Life
Education: 4 years college
Civil Occupation: Teacher
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 74
Weight: 159
Now here is where it gets very interesting aside from the fact that he actually had 8 years of college and a master’s degree by the time he enlisted in 1941. I decided to google his daughter as “Andrea Lefforge Harper” and found that in April 9, 1942 he attended Officer Candidate School at Ft Sill. He graduated from OCS on June 30,1942 and no further information can be found regarding his military service. Why was this information not found when googling his name but was found when googling his daughter’s name?
He taught at Manchester College in the Speech Department for the years 1946-47 and 1947-48 before teaching at the University of Hawaii at Manoa for the years 1948-49 and 1949-50. By 1950 he is back at the University of Wisconsin with his wife the former Thelma Jones of Trenton, N.J.
From “The Capital Times” 9/27/1950 Madison WI
“University Posts and Regional Positions Bring New Families Here”
“After teaching two years at the University of Honolulu, Hawaii, Orland Lefforge and Mrs Lefforge are now living at 42 Corry St. while he is studying for his doctorate at the university.”
Wisconsin State Journal 4/9/1951
Madison News Items in Brief
Debate at U.W.
“Two University of Hawaii students will debate with Wisconsin students at 8 pm Tuesday in the Agricultural hall auditorium on the subject “Resolved: That Hawaii Should be a Commonwealth”
Masaru Funa and Shunichi Kaimura will be the affirmative speakers from the University of Hawaii. Their coach is Henry L. Ewbank, son of speech Prof Henry L. Ewbank, Sr., at the University of Wisconsin. Negative speakers from Wisconsin will be Robert Hayes, Chetak and Richard Karson, West Bend. Moderator for the debate will be Orland Lefforge, former Hawaiian coach and now a student here.
I received confirmation from UW at Madison that Orland Lefforge was granted his Phd in Speech in 1953. From 1953 he seems to disappear. He and his wife Thelma and children were the owners of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy in 1961 and I am awaiting word from UH at Manoa as to when he returned to teach there. Something which just struck me this weekend was the interview “The Honolulu Advertiser” did with Nani Smethurst, the present owner of the address. She has the paperwork for the house and yet she didn’t recognize the Dunham name. As an archictect she would recognize the name and yet she didn’t, because the Lefforges owned the home, not the Dunhams.
From a blurb in another paper Lefforge didn’t teach for all that long at UH.
April 9, 1967 Cedar Rapids Gazette
“Washington Notebook”
“Orland Lefforge, Henry Giugni and Jack Teehan, running close to deadline for a reception for senate staff assistants, couldn’t find a cab.
They bummed a ride with a fellow in the office who was on his way home.
At the White House gate, the attendant asked the three, “Will your driver be coming back later or shall I show him where to wait?”
Which broke up everybody in the car.
At the wheel was the trio’s boss, Sen Daniel K. Inouye (D- Hawaii)”
In 1971 Orland Lefforge is listed as the author of “Inservice Training as an Instrument of Change” found at the Education Resources Information Center. He was also later an an administrator at the UH Community College Office, as well as a member of the Osher Institute. He gave donations to various institutions including Manchester College, an organization to help abused women, and an organization to assist homeless teens and juvenile delinquents. From all indications he and Thelma divorced at some point and he married again to a woman named Elaine b.1921 d. 12/27/1995. Thelma also remarried which explains the last name of Young. At some point both second spouses died and Orland and Thelma got back together again and remained together until his death. There were a number of real estate transactions with Orland and Thelma and Orland and Elaine which are confusing to follow. As I said I am still waiting to find out when he returned to teach at UH but it is definite he and Thelma and their three children were living at the birth announcement house in 1961.

5 posted on 12/17/2008 11:53:04 AM PST by Chief Engineer

[Fred Nerks]

thanks, forgot to ping you to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2319168/posts?page=86#86

[Fred Nerks]

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/barack-hussein-birth-announcement-forgery-the-fraud-goes-on.html

Here’s a comment on Atlas Shrugs from Infidel Granny, reminding Pamela just where the birth announcement came from. It was a scan, e-mailed to her.

“Pamela,
Infidel Granny here. I am the woman who sent you the birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2008. You gave me a hat tip on July 23, 2008.
I sure hope you don’t think I had anything to do with a forgery.
The woman I spoke to at the Advertiser suggested I contact the Hawaii State Librbary for the info. That’s where I got it from just as it states in the blog on July 23. The librarian stated another woman had asked for the same thing about one week before I did.
You might still have my email and phone number. Feel free to contact me if you like.”

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I’m putting this up here now because the link to Texasdarlin where Lori Starfelt explains how she came about her material (from the same source, by e-mail) has been removed.

Maybe factcheck didn’t appreciate me drawing attention to that fact they ‘validated’ an announcement that was an electronic image of a scan received by e-mail from an anonymous poster?

8,014 posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:47:12 PM by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2040486/posts?page=8014#8014

[PennsylvaniaMom]

I keep going back to the stories told (yet seemingly NOT remembered) by the author Obama in his multiple autobiographies.

If his father is not Barrack Obama, Sr., well there is the whole basis of ‘Dreams of My (sortof) Father.’ If the basis of the book is fabricated...then what in the book (his life story) is actually true? What if there is no father’s name give (the big embarrassment issue) and that he was named Barry Dunham...and he ‘created’ the Barrack Obama story for the rouse (and benefit of a Harvard legacy—remember, BO, Sr., went there) and ‘authenticity’ of a much better ‘story’ to market himself with during his college years/community organizing years.

I still am amazed that he couldn’t remember where he met Michelle at...and that the media, of course, covered for him (oh...he was tired!!!). But it was a whopper; easily documented in his own book!!!

[El Gato]

This whole story about the house just adds fuel to my speculation that the CIA was involved with that family.

I'd say it was more likely the folks who saw the CIA as the "Dark Forces". That would be:

Комитет государственной безопасности,

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or phonetically "Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti"

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In English the Committee for State Security , better known as the KGB.

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[Plummz]

Or both!

[El Gato]

They may have rented it to the Dunham’s, who may have let their daughter stay there just around the birth of Barry what’shisname..

She was only 17 and a college freshman, when she got knocked up by whoever. It would not be unusual for a 17 y/o freshman girl to be living with her parents. My niece lived with my brother until she was nearly 20, while going to junior college.

[bgill]

So, I’ve been searching around for gramps’ CIA activites and haven’t found much other than the same old info of Ann at the Ford Foundation. I did come across one site (a bit out there... no, a lot out there in tinfoil land) which poses that there are no BCs, marriage certicates, military records, etc. on Ann or her parents. I’m discounting 99.9% of the site but was wondering if it were true that even those generations of records were somehow sealed as well.

[El Gato]

You mean like he had WHITE on his birth certificate?

1961 Hawaii long form certificates, only shows the race(s) of the parents, not the child.

I sure would like to find the BC of someone born in Hawaii, with at least one "negro" parent, to see how that parents race is indicated. By '61 there were blacks in the Navy, the Army, the Marines and the Air Force. Some of them must have married Hawaiian gals and had children with them, race of the mother might be "Japanese", "Chinese", "Hawaiian" or "Heinz 57", but there should have been a fair number of them.

[PhiKapMom]

That would be interesting! There is something on that birth certificate that he doesn’t want anyone to see but then his college records are also sealed.

Running for President should require an open book on records IMHO.

[El Gato]

Or both!

Or the GRU, although it's not really their sort of OP. They were always more interested in military/technical intell, not political intelligence and/or "active measures".

[Plummz]

What’s up with all the adopted children? Was this 7085 some kind of CIA baby farm? Wasn’t Barry’s Seattle babysitter a graduate in “linguistics” also?

[Plummz]

Or a communist cell inside MI6...

[LucyT]

0bama’s Noelani Elementary School Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the State of Hawaii Department of Education.

This is an important feature because K-records for original school entry would have contained the following:

1. His REAL Birth Certificate.

2. An application with the following:

—1. His Legal name.
—2. Parents or Legal Guardians’ names.
—3. Date of Birth
—4. Place of Birth
—5. Vaccination Records (revealing a timeline to the place and DOB.)

It also is important for two reasons:

A. The Dept. of Education does not “lose” the records of one particular student. (Who paid whom what sum to make this record disappear?)

B. There would have been NO shameful low-test scores, NO embarrassing Equal Opportunity advancements, and NO trails of fraudulent funding to hide which could possibly ‘excuse’ the quashing of public school Kindergarten entry records.

For the rest of his life he attended very expensive private schools and has had his records legally sealed to deny the public, his true life story.

This is different. Hawaii should be able to verify he attended their school since he is featured in class photographs. State and federal tax dollars paid for his initial year of education. Why is there no documentation?

This is the ‘tip of the iceberg’ of an intentionally erased life of a fraudulent conman and it reeks of complicity by officials within the State of Hawaii’s Dept. of Health & Dept. of Education

[Think free or die]

You mentioned that the military records were incomplete when searching under Orland’s name. When we were trying to document some family history from the WWII and post-war period, we ran into problems with military service records. A large number of these records were destroyed by a fire in a storage facility, which I believe took place in the 1970’s. Is this a possibility with the records you’re seeking?