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Obamacare Meltdown
HumanEvents ^ | 8/12/09 | Tom Price

Posted on 08/12/2009 8:48:16 AM PDT by Sammy67

The revelation last week that a majority of Americans may actually disagree with the President was something for which his team was clearly not prepared. Their attempt to marginalize citizens across the country who dared to speak out against a government-takeover of health care is shameful, arrogant, and desperately sad.

With the American people growing increasingly unhappy with the President’s health care plan, Democrats in Congress are working feverishly to cast those who are concerned as radical props to the special interests. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in a sign of bold leadership, last week told reporters that protests of government-run health care were “phony” and “staged.” He stepped up to a microphone holding a piece of artificial sod and declared that the nationwide dissent was but a marketing ploy, just “Astroturf.” White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs called the movement “manufactured.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agenda; bhohealthcare; democrats; government; healthcare; insurance; obama; obamacare; socialized; socializedmedicine; whitehouse
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To: Huebolt
No way your average stupid oprah fan will ever do anything but what they're told to do. A

What kind of defeatist bull crap is that??? Who in the hell do you think's showing up at rallies and town halls all over the country? Sheesh!

21 posted on 08/12/2009 9:18:02 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: KoRn

Whew, thought it was just me!


22 posted on 08/12/2009 9:21:09 AM PDT by Prince of Space (UPS and FedEx are doing just fine... it's the post office that's always having problems.)
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To: Sammy67

Let me know when the McCain/Palin haters finally wake up and go to the polls to vote out the dem party.


23 posted on 08/12/2009 9:23:28 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: nicola_tesla; netmilsmom
You and everyone else here needs to stop pushing the tired GOP good Dem bad meme and realize that they are just the same coin with different faces.

That's not what she said. She said the Democrats have enough votes to get this passed without GOP help. That's a fact, both in the House and Senate.

Your fact, that there may be GOP members who vote for a bill in both houses, doesn't take away from the fact that the Democrats can go it alone. Only the total vote count will tell the distribution, and that's yet to happen.

But let's play "what if". What if one of the current House bills becomes the final bill exactly as written. And lets say all Democrats in both houses vote for it, all but 3 House GOP member vote against it, and all but 2 Senate GOP members vote against it. Obviously those 5 GOP members would not have an affect had they voted against the bill because there would be sufficient Democrat support. This is what netmilsmom was addressing.

Sure, we need to get the RINO Republicans out as well as the Democrats so we can return to constitutional government. But that's a separate issue beyond what netmilsmom was addressing.

24 posted on 08/12/2009 9:24:11 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama Administration: The Whizzers of Oz)
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To: kabar
Most correct, some variation of ObamaCare will pass with a handful of GOP defectors and an allowance of cover for a few Blue Dog dems. The rest of the package will fall into place next session or by regulatory edict. While I am encouraged by the vigor of the anti-reform protesters, I have had the thought that somehow Obama’s henchmen have or will manipulate the situation to one of crisis that will turn the tide in their favor.
25 posted on 08/12/2009 9:29:40 AM PDT by buckalfa (confused and bewildered)
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To: pgkdan

Thank you!


26 posted on 08/12/2009 9:29:47 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: bcsco

Thank you too!


27 posted on 08/12/2009 9:30:23 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Sammy67
I am all for health care REFORM...however, that is not what is being proposed. Our "leaders" are proposing health care CHANGE (sound familiar?). When you reform something, you keep what is good and get rid of what is bad. This legislation is complete change and the American people know it in their gut, which is why they are revolting.

Edmund Burke (1700s) on change vs reform, said, "change is novelty" and "Reformation is not change in the substance ... of the object, but [rather it is] a direct application of a remedy to the grievance complained of."

Smart guy. I am so sick of hearing about CHANGE, we should challenge every politician the utters the word CHANGE to define it for us and clarify do they mean CHANGE or REFORM because they are not interchangeable.
28 posted on 08/12/2009 9:33:13 AM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: nicola_tesla

I’m a registered independent.
I never said, “GOP good, Dem bad” I’m not Hulk.

I did say that the GOP should make the Dems own this bill. It’s theirs. Good or bad.

The GOP needs to frame them with this. Let the Blue Dogs who (perhaps) vote against this, defend themselves against that idea.


29 posted on 08/12/2009 9:34:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

You’re welcome. We’ve got a certain number of frequent posters here who are constantly putting down the GOP. They’re so quick to criticize the GOP and discourage people from supporting them that I think some of them are democrat plants. Heck, I know some are.


30 posted on 08/12/2009 9:39:11 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: pgkdan
defeatist bull crap is that???

I hope you're right! I got a telephone poll about adolph obama in October before the election. I called him a g**d*** COMMUNIST even then! You can imagine how I feel now. History doesn't repeat itself, but it oftem rhymes. This feels like Petrograd, October 1917. The only good thing is that the American Military would never defect to the demoncraps. That's why adolph obama wants "a civilian force with all the capability of the military..." BTW Never buy anything made by a union.

31 posted on 08/12/2009 9:39:19 AM PDT by Huebolt (Kill the boomers quickly and cheaply = O BUMMER CARE "take the pain medication")
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To: pgkdan
defeatist bull crap is that???

I hope you're right! I got a telephone poll about adolph obama in October before the election. I called him a g**d*** COMMUNIST even then! You can imagine how I feel now. History doesn't repeat itself, but it oftem rhymes. This feels like Petrograd, October 1917. The only good thing is that the American Military would never defect to the demoncraps. That's why adolph obama wants "a civilian force with all the capability of the military..." BTW Never buy anything made by a union.

32 posted on 08/12/2009 9:40:40 AM PDT by Huebolt (Kill the boomers quickly and cheaply = O BUMMER CARE "take the pain medication")
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To: AutumnFire
You need to write this down -- The Congressional clunkers value their office holding above all else.

The town hall protests threaten that, big time.

33 posted on 08/12/2009 9:41:14 AM PDT by Tarpon (The Joker's plan -- Slavery by debt so large it can never be repaid)
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To: buckalfa
Most correct, some variation of ObamaCare will pass with a handful of GOP defectors and an allowance of cover for a few Blue Dog dems.

No Reps voted for the stimulus bill. Only three voted for it in the Senate and one is now a Dem. 8 Reps in the House voted for cap and tax. If the Reps don't stick together on this, expecially if the Dems put in a government option, then the defectors should be drummed out of the party. Personally, I believe that the Reps in the House will remain united on Obamacare.

34 posted on 08/12/2009 9:43:10 AM PDT by kabar
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To: netmilsmom

My pleasure. While I’m all for getting all the RINOs and as many Democrats out of Congress, and the WH, that doesn’t belie the fact that the Democrats should be backed into the position of owning any health care legislation that comes down the pike. Period. The public should be made to know that what transpires is Democrat owned. I can say this easily because the chance of meaningful reform that’s in America’s best interests is as likely as Obama resigning from office. NIL!


35 posted on 08/12/2009 9:47:19 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama Administration: The Whizzers of Oz)
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To: Sammy67

Thanks for the post. I hope the Democrats continue to anger the public. They are showing their true colors in a manner the corrupt media cannot protect them.


36 posted on 08/12/2009 9:48:29 AM PDT by Proud of Texas
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To: KoRn; Jim Robinson; John Robinson
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I've been getting this all moning too, are we under attack ?? ... again ??

37 posted on 08/12/2009 9:48:49 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

“I noticed that, at his townhall meeting, Obama behaved very strangely.

After speaking to a young girl about the “mean” signs outside he emitted a smile that was reminiscent of the Hillary cackle (it continued abnormally...as if greatly forced) and then he commented oddly on how “yes”, he had seen the protest signs outside.”

Yes, he has become ... the Joker.


38 posted on 08/12/2009 10:19:37 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: netmilsmom

So who cares about the GOP and why they shouldn’t get the blame ? They’re just as bad, but in a different way.

If the GOP ere truly conservative that would be one thing, but they’re not.


39 posted on 08/12/2009 10:31:01 AM PDT by nicola_tesla (www.fedupusa.org)
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To: Sammy67

I believe in the separation of state and medicine.


40 posted on 08/12/2009 10:32:18 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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