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Posted on 08/03/2009 5:41:41 AM PDT by kellynla
For about a year now there has been a great deal of debate about whether or not President Barack Obama is truly a natural born American citizen. According to the Constitution, Article 2, Sec. 1, “No person except a natural born citizen…shall be eligible to the office of president.” The Obama campaign and administration have always claimed that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. A Certificate of Live Birth was presented by the Obama campaign showing that Obama is an American citizen[1]; however, Hawaiian law didn’t require Obama to actually have been born in Hawaii in order to obtain this registration.[2] This, among other things, has created a public outcry – from a group now referred to as “birthers” – for Obama to show his long form birth certificate, which would disclose information such as which hospital he was born in, who delivered him, etc. that would solidify the fact that he actually was born in America. The Obama campaign and administration have failed to present this document to anyone. Instead, they have been suppressing the issue using two tactics: hiring lawyers to defend him against the legal dilemma – such as lawyer Perkins Coie, who was paid $688,316[3] – and creating the ignorant propaganda, repeated by many liberals, that anyone who questions Obama’s eligibility is weird, crazy or racist. The liberal mainstream media has propagated the latter tactic through news broadcasts, such as Nightly News with Brian Williams, which incorrectly assert that Obama has proven his eligibility.[4]
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Carl says: “I can’t identify myself here because I’d lose my job. I’m a low level employee of the US State Department attached to the Overseas Service and I just finished a conference call with two lawyers in London and two journalists from Politico.com who all stated that they just left a late meeting at the London Foreign Office and they were assured that “The Kenyan birth certificate is without question, 100% authentic.” I’m not surprised.”
Jason says: kitau says: “I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya. I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered. I stress the word “copy.” My copy also has republic of Kenya.” August 3, 9:04 PM
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Think about what effect having 5% black votes at the polls and zero ACORN help with fraud would do to the DNC elections. If the rodham rodent had outed the affirmative action messiah, democrats would have been swept from power. Those above hil and sinkEmperor told the clintons what they could and couldn’t do. A man and his obstreperous wife whom biggers have made can just as easily and more forcefully be unmade by those powers at the top, the biggers.
Unsubstantiated reports from anonymous internet commenters. I’m sold.
Please take me off this ping list of yours.
Most excellent! And by the same process, Elg of Perkins v Elg was a natural born citizen because he father was naturalized and her mother was deemed a citizen through him when Miss Elg was born.
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Interesting comments — but we have absolutely no way of knowing who posted them or whether there is any veracity to them at all. Likely just more static.
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Happy wiping, Dom!
It sounds like somebody tried to write down what somebody else dictated.
Ping! ...seen this yet?
There will be another Bombshell coming soon hopefully from Indonesia and this will be Barry Soetoro's Indonesian Passport
Stay tuned! Similar situation over here that the State Department is aware of as well as Obama's people who seem to think they have all the loose ends tied up.
Obama went to great lengths to supress much of the Indonesian records with the help of the Indonesian government. (watch what they get in return)
But rest assured that we have our people as well and the truth will get out - it always does.
We are entitled to review the best evidence. The birth records, school, passport and selective service records. You calling it crazy to want to know the truth about the president is an insult to the voters.
Last week you said you had seen the record, where was that point tonight and why can’t the rest of us see it?
You think Obama is keeping us “crazies” going. If so, he is also wasting hundreds of hours of attorney and court time. Some prank. Hey?
People need verified doc of that Kenyan’s materials ASAP as supporting data.
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NO DOUBT in my mind that the traitorous creature is from Kenya . . . with a detour through hell, for training.
So… I’m I to understand that it wasn’t the ‘Republic of Kenya’ when Barry O was born, but it says ‘Republic of Kenya’ on his birth certificate????
A certificate that is supposedly ‘original’ with embossments and real signatures, yet it says ‘Republic of Kenya’? Sounds a little fishy… If this certificate were real, I’m sure Lou Dobbs or some other blowhard would be showing the actual document… I haven’t seen anybody doing that to date and considering that minor flaw on the forgers part adding ‘Republic of Kenya’ to a document dated before it was a Republic, I don’t think you’ll be seeing Dobbs or any other legit journalist exposing it.
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So is his supposed COLB - a picture of docment on line. It means nothing.
jamese777, there is a problem with relying on Ark for your over-broad definition of NBC. Dicta does not create precedential control. You have to look to the holding, and the rather narrow holding in Ark by no means precludes a negative finding for cases more like O’s. See post 51 over here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2307163/posts?q=1&;page=51
This is a common mistake in legal analysis. Dicta is interesting and informative, and is often the most quoted element of any case (who can forget O’Conner’s “sweet mystery of life” deal in Lawrence v Texas), but it is mere judicial rant, background material only. The logic in the dicta may lead to the conclusion in the holding, but it is not binding under stare decisis as the holding is.
No, SCOTUS has yet to render a binding decision that tells us what NBC would mean for some in O’s exact circumstances. If the originalists dominated, they could easily defer to external historical sources to round out the definition. If so, the whole Vattel Law of Nations/John Jay thing would tilt that analysis in favor of requiring undiluted, unquestionable US citizenship in the parents as a prerequisite to NBC. Alternatively, if the Globalist mindset dominates, the parentage dimension of NBC could be thrown out altogether. We are all “citizens of the world,” don’t ya know.
BTW, there really are at least three routes to citizenship in constitutional case law. Naturalized citizen, native born citizen, and natural born citizen. It would have been nice if the cases had used these terms consistently, but the unfortunate fact is that sometimes “native born” simply addresses the “born here” problem and sometimes it appears to merge with “natural born.” One thing I learned in Con Law is there is no divine inspiration in constitutional case law guaranteeing consistent use of terms. This happens all the time, and usually it is only resolved, if ever, when some perfect case comes along where SCOTUS untangles all the preceding terminological confusion and lays down a clear rule. That is what they should do here. Do I think they will? Nah. The political infection of the judicial process has been strong since FDR, and it got a lot worse after the 2000 election, so I do not presently believe we should be hoping for a SCOTUS rescue.
Why then pursue this “will-o-the-wisp?” Because it is a great American tradition to seek the truth about our political leaders. That’s just how we do things here in America. Truth has a power all its own, even if the political and judicial processes do not immediately cooperate. Exposing fraud in the electoral process, especially fraud of this magnitude, can be a teachable moment for the Republic. If proven true, it will suck the life out of the present administration and render them impotent until they can be replaced. You know, like the person you can’t fire right away, but you give them a job where they can’t break anything important until their contract is up. That makes this worth pursuing. Only we can’t pursue it to the level expected by our opponent. We have to be better than they expect us to be. It is the only way to keep them off balance. Therefore, I ask that everyone keep a cool, objective head about the KBC. This could still go either way and we do not yet have sufficient information to commit ourselves. Stay focused on the key points that got the buzz to where it is now, mainly, the inexplicable resistance to making the long form public. That is resonating with lots of people, and that’s where the power is, and that’s what’s making Team O so nervous. Stay on the pressure point that is hurting them. That’s where the win is.
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