Posted on 06/19/2009 10:24:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
You are exactly right GS. The U.N. is very good at “condemning” everything that looks mean and evil. OOOoooo - the tyrants are so afraid!!! These resolutions are just posturing and we won’t (and shouldn’t) take any action to back it up. But there is a word for flowery rhetoric with no action - that word is Bulls**t...
the House voted 405-1 Friday to condemn Tehran's crackdown on demonstrators and the government's interference with Internet and cell phone communications. The resolution was initiated by Republicans as a veiled criticism of President Barack Obama... Rep. Mike Pence, who co-sponsored the resolution, said he disagrees with the administration that it must not meddle in Iran's affairs. "When Ronald Reagan went before the Brandenburg Gate, he did not say Mr. (Mikhail) Gorbachev, that wall is none of our business," ...Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., have proposed a similar measure in the Senate, although a vote was not certain. The policy statement expresses support for "all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties and rule of law" and affirms "the importance of democratic and fair elections."
How about running around condemning Israel? Is that the job of a congressman?
Yeah, Chesapeake, Yorktown...those battles had no impact on the outcome..../s
I agree in the importance of knowing where someone stands on an issue. So now we know. Ron Paul does not like to fight and unfortunetly we have to fight for our rights.(glad he’s not our president) Everyone else voted that it’s wrong (common sense), and Obama who normally moves quickly has been tested and failed.
And the Statue of Liberty is also one of those cherished mythologies of the American nation. /s
Even Paul would have declared war after Pearl Harbor and Germany subsequently declaring war on the U.S.
After siting anxiously on the sidelines, itching to get in (as he actually should have been to come to the defense of allies), Germany acted the only way it could after Japan's "surprise attack" on the US. But, in keeping with the intent of the thread, it was the Paulian-like isolationism that actually compounded and lengthened an already long and bloody war.
Well, Paul's not an isolationist so you got that one wrong.
Anyway, what do you mean "lengthened" and "compounded?" You realize WWII was only 2 years old when the U.S. entered, right? At the time, Hitler was Europe's problem, not the US.
FDR was right to want to get into the war earlier on. But, it was the old-style isolationism of the GOP that kept him from doing so. That was a mistake that cost tens of thousands of US and allied lives, not to mention the lives of perhaps millions of Jews, amongst others.
Pure bovine scat. Those lives would have been lost regardless if the U.S. had intervened earlier.
Nonetheless, he blew this one.
LOL. When did he condemn Israel? Just because he believes they shouldn't get foreign aid and be treated like any other nation doesn't mean he hates them. He supported them, BTW when they bombed Iraq's nuke facilities in 1981.
“Anybody know any Ron Paul supporters? Has he stated his reasoning, yet?”
Perhaps he just doesn’t believe that EVERYTHING is the business of the Legislative Branch of the U.S. Federal Government. He has the crazy idea that the Federal Government is limited. I expect he’ll be asked soon.
How right you are.
Fight for what? The right of a 1980s hardliner who's campaigning as a moderate to assume office once again?
Italy and Germany both formally declared war on the U.S. on Dec. 11, 1941. Their rationale was that, as members of the Tripartite Pact with Japan, they were obligated to come to the aid of a member who was attacked. IOW, they were about as logical as Ahmadinejad, Mousavi and the Ayatollah.
But he sure loves to fund the Shrimp industry..
...Paul voted his convictions, It’s worthless grandstanding and a waste of time and money by the House anyway. Bravo, Ron Paul, guess you won’t get overtime pay for this...
...Here I go, incoming!!!
We will probably need to remind OUR Supreme Leader of his own words soon.
Man, you must have gone to public schools or something.
Here’s a little timeline:
American Revolution: 1775 to 1783.
Statue of Liberty: 1886 — about 100 years later.
The two have nothing to do with each other WRT to France. In that century, the French crown had been literally beheaded, they had gone through the self-convulsion of the revolutionaries, then Napoleon and were just coming out of the Franco-Prussian war. The only thing that France in the 1880’s had in common with France of the American Revolution is geography and the language. Other than that, we were dealing with two completely different countries.
Entirely correct; my point was that the Germans were already taking actions prior to 11 Dec 1941 that could be considered acts of war:
1. The spies in our midst, who were observing military and logistic assets for an attack on the US, the Dusquesne spy ring - 33 men who were rolled up by October 1941.
2. The sinking in May, 1941 of the SS Robin Moor by a German U-boat in the Atlantic.
One of the spies in (1) above radioed the departure date of the SS Robin Moor to Germany.
Further, German U-boats violated American sovereign territory by sailing into New York harbor prior to 11 Dec 1941.
FDR was widely criticised in 1941 for his ‘lukewarm’ reaction to the sinking of the SS Robin Moor, but by the time the Dusquesne spy ring was uncovered and brought to trial from October to December 1941, it was all over but the shooting: Germany was entirely intent upon waging war on the US. By December, 1941, people could see that there was going to be little chance of ducking a war with Germany - we were going to get into it with them eventually.
Their declaration on 11 December just forced us into a two-front war.
The situation would have been a bit different if the Zimmermann telegram were not still within living memory.
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