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(US) House condemns Tehran crackdown on protesters ( 405 in favor, Ron Paul against )
Breitbart ^ | Jun 19 12:43 PM US/Eastern | ANNE FLAHERTY Associated Press Writer

Posted on 06/19/2009 10:24:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

WASHINGTON (AP) - In the strongest message yet from the U.S. government, the House voted 405-1 Friday to condemn Tehran's crackdown on demonstrators and the government's interference with Internet and cell phone communications.

The resolution was initiated by Republicans as a veiled criticism of President Barack Obama, who has been reluctant to criticize Tehran's handling of disputed elections that left hard-liner President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in power.

Rep. Mike Pence, who co-sponsored the resolution, said he disagrees with the administration that it must not meddle in Iran's affairs.

"When Ronald Reagan went before the Brandenburg Gate, he did not say Mr. (Mikhail) Gorbachev, that wall is none of our business," said Pence, R-Ind., of President Reagan's famous exhortation to the Soviet leader to "tear down that wall."

Democrats, who are quick to voice their support for Israel anytime the Jewish state is seen as under siege, easily agreed to push through the mildly worded resolution.

Rep. Howard Berman, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and co-sponsor of the resolution, said "it is not for us to decide who should run Iran, much less determine the real winner of the June 12 election.

"But we must reaffirm our strong belief that the Iranian people have a fundamental right to express their views about the future of their country freely and without intimidation," added Berman, D-Calif.

Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., have proposed a similar measure in the Senate, although a vote was not certain.

The policy statement expresses support for "all Iranian citizens who embrace the values of freedom, human rights, civil liberties and rule of law" and affirms "the importance of democratic and fair elections."

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To: GraceG

*Ron Paul is consistent in his beliefs and his political ideology which makes him one of the few honest members of government.*

Hitler & Stalin, were consistent also.

L Ron Paul is a disgusting Fascist.


141 posted on 06/19/2009 1:43:17 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: death2tyrants

Ron Paul opposes official government condemnations. That doesn’t mean that he hasn’t expressed personal opinions. He’s vote against a resolution endorsing apple pie but that wouldn’t mean that he thought apple pie is a bad thing. If you can provide an example in which he voted for a resolution to condemn Israel, you’d have a point...but I don’t think you can.


142 posted on 06/19/2009 1:43:35 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: The Pack Knight

No, he isn’t. He has a clearly articulated set of principles and he walks his talk - and takes the heat for it.

Let’s put this to the test: all these 405 dipsticks voting for this resolution? Are they going to vote to involve the US in this crap in Iran?

No.

But boy oh boy, they want to be seen as pandering to the ‘correct’ side of the argument.

Paul is the only guy who had the guts to see this for what it was: cheap talk for PR purposes.


143 posted on 06/19/2009 1:45:53 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Big_Monkey
No, we just picked the wrong horse in a two horse race. Most folks, including most conservatives, at the time would have disagreed with you. Usually, we only find out in hindsight. When we start trusting the federal government to pick the "right" or "wrong" horse (whether the horse is a country or a bankrupt car company) we are setting yourself up for trouble.
144 posted on 06/19/2009 1:47:07 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: SoCalPol

Agreed, but at least you know where he stands, on the looney side of the force. I would rather take an enemy you know rather than a RINO who would stab you in the back to feel popular with the MSM.


145 posted on 06/19/2009 1:47:31 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: NVDave
Maybe somebody can explain this. On this thread, pro-interventionist freepers are condeming Ron Paul for voting against this resolution but on another thread these same interventionists are attacking Obama for supporting this "surrender" resolution. The mental gymnastics taken by the interventionist side are a sight to behold.
146 posted on 06/19/2009 1:54:04 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Ron Paul opposes official government condemnations.

No he does't. He claimed America is a participant in Israel's invasion of Gaza and is antagonizing the Muslim/Arab world by not condemning Israel. How are you trying to spin his words, that he was claiming the U.S. should 'unofficially' condemn Israel's actions? Ron Paul is a hypocrite.

147 posted on 06/19/2009 1:55:51 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: 1rudeboy
Anybody know any Ron Paul supporters? Has he stated his reasoning, yet?

I'm sure it is the same exact reasoning he has had and has publicly stated since returning to Congress on every vote like this since January 1997?

Paul doesn't vote for any meaningless, worthless grandstanding House resolutions that deal with foreign nations. Doesn't matter what country it involves or if the resolution is praising or condemning, he votes against them all.

148 posted on 06/19/2009 1:57:22 PM PDT by GoldStandard
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To: death2tyrants

Let me repeat again. There is a difference between expressing a personal opinion (Paul has done so on many isuses including Iran) and making official policy via a congressional resolution. Again, do you have any evidence that Paul voted for a resolution condemning Israel? I know you don’t like him but facts are stubburn things.


149 posted on 06/19/2009 1:57:26 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Would America be a “vibrant democracy” today if France had not intervened in our revolt?

We aren't talking about sending in troops, we just want our president to at least make an effort to appear that he takes the side of the oppressed rather then the oppressors in Iran.

What in the hell is wrong with that?

150 posted on 06/19/2009 1:57:27 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (She is our Joan of Arc and we are her Guardian Captains.)
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To: GraceG

There are to many idiots on FR who would rather have Marxist Obama than a 85% Conservative Republican.

This rigid deranged thinking is destroying America.


151 posted on 06/19/2009 1:58:31 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Blue State Insurgent
"What do we get out of this condemnation? We get our honor back."

Huh? How so? From whom?

152 posted on 06/19/2009 1:59:57 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Blue State Insurgent
Would America be a “vibrant democracy” today if France had not intervened in our revolt?

Yes, IMHO, it would be. It might have taken a bit longer, and devolved more into unconventional warfare, but the ultimate result would have been the same. Let me ask you a question: do you think that France was wise to extend this aid? Keep in mind that many would argue that this aid bankrupted France and paved the way for the terror...which ultimately was a model for the likes of Lenin.

153 posted on 06/19/2009 2:01:53 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: GoldStandard
Paul doesn't vote for any meaningless, worthless grandstanding House resolutions that deal with foreign nations.

So in other words, Rep. Paul engages in meaningless, worthless grandstanding concerning House resolutions that deal with foreign nations. I suppose the "aiding and abetting" aspect of it is just a bonus? Does he expect Ahmadinejab to send him some flowers, or something?

154 posted on 06/19/2009 2:02:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

What exactly did this resolution today accomplish?


155 posted on 06/19/2009 2:04:45 PM PDT by GoldStandard
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To: GoldStandard

It tells the world that we Americans side with the good guys. And you have a problem with that?


156 posted on 06/19/2009 2:08:04 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (She is our Joan of Arc and we are her Guardian Captains.)
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To: 1rudeboy

What “grandstanding?” Paul voted against the resoluton. The people who are doing the “grandstanding” are his detractors who are calling attention to it. What should have Paul done instead? Gone fishing?


157 posted on 06/19/2009 2:08:26 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: GoldStandard

For starters, it made Rep. Paul look like a blithering idiot.


158 posted on 06/19/2009 2:08:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SoCalPol

The “Marxist Obama” supported this resolution.


159 posted on 06/19/2009 2:09:23 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
There is a difference between expressing a personal opinion

Your argument is contradicted by Ron Paul's own words. He's condemning the U.S. for not condemning Israel. My link in post 139 proves this.

Again, do you have any evidence that Paul voted for a resolution condemning Israel?

What resolution? The U.S. doesn't make resolutions condemning Israel. If no resolution exists, he can't very well vote for or against it. You're not very good at constructing straw men. My argument is that Ron Paul is a hypocrite. On one hand, he opposes America condeming Iran, but on the other hand, he criticizes America for not condemning Israel.

but facts are stubburn things.

I've already proven my claims to be factual. He is clearly condemning the U.S. for not condemning Israel's invasion of Gaza, which I sourced in post 139. You haven't given me anything that disproves this.

160 posted on 06/19/2009 2:11:04 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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