Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)

Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

[SE Mom]

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

[SE Mom]

Gatun- are you having one of those vermouth-less martinis again ;)

Pop up anyone’s birth certificate!

Compare and contrast is a good thing:)

[jellybean]

A Timeline

1965 (15 Sept)

Demolition of the old terminal building at HNL was completed.

The picture of Obama and his dad could not have taken place inside the old terminal building in 1971.

[Political Junkie Too]

That's what I thought. So now we have to confirm whether that photo was taken in the old terminal. Based on the structure of the counters, the same poles and pole signs, the same ceiling and lighting, the same lit wall signage (Pan American in the Old Terminal photo, Phillipine Airlines/Japan Airlines in the Obama photo)... I'd say they are in the old terminal. The Obama photo was probably taken from a different vantage point/different counter/facing a different direction from the Old Terminal photo.

What is different is the lack of high windows above the lit wall sign. I don't know if that was only on one side of building or on both sides. Judging from the To Gates sign, I'd say they put the high windows on the side facing the runways, and the other side, facing the street, had a solid wall.

I'm still looking for more pictures.

-PJ

[RubyR]

I think I found the same site that pic of the Old Terminal came from. It has more pics on it. http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/aviation-photos/1970-1979/honolulu-international-airport/hnl-terminals/ha_photo_album_view?b_start:int=84&-C= This is a pic of the new terminal from 1974 - I think it says "Pan American" and "Philippine Airlines" on the wall in the back:

[RubyR]

Better link - go to “Aviation Photos”

http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation

[Political Junkie Too]

Just to complicate things a bit, I found this site, where this 1971 terminal map of Honolulu airport shows the Phillipines and Japan airlines in the same relative positions as what the signs in the background of the Obama photo suggests. It also shows a large Pan Am section in the opposite perspective, also giving credence to the 1960 Old Terminal photo, which had the same counters, poles, and signs, in a way that would not show the other airlines.

The copyright on the map is 1971. If the old terminal was demolished in the early 1960's, what terminal did the Hawaii Aviation site show and label as the old terminal?

-PJ

[Spunky]

"If both pictures are taken in the same terminal, the boy in the picture cannot be Barak as he would not have been 10 in 1962.

It could not have been Malik either as he would not have been 10 in 1962 since he was born around 1959.

So that picture had to be taken in 1972 and it is Barack as a 10-11 year old.

[Calpernia]

Since we have seen so many conflicting dates and information, I still wouldn’t rule that out.

[Spunky]

"IMHO, the only reason they are blocking it out is for reasons of ID theft avoidance.:

If you look at the birth certificates of the ones we know that are authentic you will see they both have 521 (if I recall) which is probably the county code, then the next number is their very own birth year. I don't know what the next numbers stand for. So if Obama's was legit we would have 521-1961-xxxxxxx. Someone could probably figure out what the last ones mean and fill them in.

[null and void]

151. But who’s counting...

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

“Gatun- are you having one of those vermouth-less martinis again ;)

Oh lord, SE Mom. If you only knew what a good laugh you just gave me!!!

The gin bottle is far from empty. Good. I have a lot of tasting/sipping to do yet. And I took your advice…No vermouth. Yeck!!!

I have decided that next time I have a nasty cut or something, I’m going to pour gin on it. I believe gin can kill any and all germs. It may even kill head lice for those who suffer so from such an infestation.

“Pop up anyone’s birth certificate! Compare and contrast is a good thing:)”

Thank you for your support.

I have something else planned. You will be the first to know if I find what I am look for. I had planned to start today, but I got a late start this a.m. for this particular adventure. I will get at it tomorrow.

Pro McCain folks had better be thinking about his birth country if he was not born in U.S. territory.

Maybe we can get both BO and McCain erased from their presidential aspirations.

My best regards to you, and thank you again.

[Fred Nerks]

So if Obama's was legit we would have 521-1961-xxxxxxx. Someone could probably figure out what the last ones mean and fill them in...

first of all, thanks for the pings everyone, I'm in Australia and due to the time difference I'm trying to catch up again.

Spunky, IMO you've identified the catch 22 he finds himself in. The last numbers are crucial. If the last numbers on obama's 'certificate' were say, to be 1234, the one before would be 1233, the following 1235. To use ANY NUMBER, say IF 1234 BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE...would be FRAUD, would it not?

[Calpernia]

>>>Maybe we can get both BO and McCain erased from their presidential aspirations.

bump, bump and triple bump!

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

P.S.

“Pro McCain folks had better be thinking about his birth country if he was not born in U.S. territory.”

Actually, his birth certificate states it very clearly. He was born in the Republic of Panama and not in the Canal Zone. It is just good to have a second verification of this when things explodes...and it should, or our Constitution is a worthless piece of paper.

[Spunky]

"To use ANY NUMBER, say IF 1234 BELONGED TO SOMEONE ELSE...would be FRAUD, would it not?

I sure would think it would. I didn't recall the first numbers correctly apparently they are 151.

[null and void]

[bronx cheer]

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

Thank you for your kindness.

McCain’s birth certificate you provided was great. I am hoping I will be able to do something with it.

More to come.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

That is my great wish!!!

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

explodes = explode

[Fred Nerks]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/FredNerks/4hchew.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/FredNerks/HawaiiBirthCertificate.jpg

both 151 followed by birth year.

both OHAU