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Cliff carvings may rewrite history of Chinese characters
Xinhua News Agency ^ | 5-18-07 | unknown

Posted on 05/18/2007 10:33:37 AM PDT by Renfield

Chinese archaeologists say they have found more than 2,000 pictographs dating back 7,000 to 8,000 years, about 3,000 years before other texts that are believed to be the origin of modern Chinese characters.

The pictographs are on the rock carvings in Damaidi, at Beishan Mountain in northwest China's Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, which covers about 450 square kilometers with more than 10,000 prehistoric rock carvings.

Paleographers claim that the pictographs may take the history of Chinese characters back to 7,000 to 8,000 years ago.

Previously, scholars believed the earliest Chinese characters included 3,000-year-old inscriptions on bones and tortoise shells, known as the Oracle Bones, and 4,500-year-old pottery-born inscriptions, both found in central Henan Province, one of the birthplaces of Chinese civilization.

"We have found some symbols shaped like both pictures and characters," said Li Xiangshi, a cliff carving expert at the North University of Nationalities based in Yinchuan, capital of Ningxia.

"The pictographs are similar to the ancient hieroglyphs of Chinese characters and many can be identified as ancient characters," said Li.

The Damaidi carvings, first discovered in the late 1980s, cover 15 square kilometers with 3,172 cliff carvings, featuring 8,453 individual figures such as the sun, moon, stars, gods and scenes of hunting or grazing.

"Through arduous research, we have found that some pictographs are commonly seen in up to hundreds of pictures in the carvings," said Liu Jingyun, an expert on ancient Oracle Bone characters.

"The size, shape and meanings of the pictographs in different carvings are the same," Liu said.

Liu believed the meanings of all the pictographs could be deciphered on the basis of certain classifications such as gender.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: china; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; history; language
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1 posted on 05/18/2007 10:33:39 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 05/18/2007 10:34:10 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

Shopping lists from ancient cave woman to cave man..........Bring this: #$%&* home, or you don’t eat!........


3 posted on 05/18/2007 10:38:48 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: Renfield

Is there any resemblance to Egyptian heiroglyphs?


4 posted on 05/18/2007 10:41:26 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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related:

Prehistoric Oriental ‘Venus’ Carved On Cliff Discovered In Ningxia
Peoples Daily | 12-23-2003
Posted on 12/23/2003 5:43:09 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1045703/posts


5 posted on 05/18/2007 10:42:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 18, 2007.)
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‘Earliest Chinese Characters’ Unearthed
Xinhua News | 10-19-2006
Posted on 10/20/2006 1:51:02 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1723033/posts


6 posted on 05/18/2007 10:44:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 18, 2007.)
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To: Renfield; blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; ...
Thanks Renfield.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
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7 posted on 05/18/2007 10:46:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 18, 2007.)
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To: RightWhale
Egyptian hieroglyphs were developed directly from earlier Sumerian hieroglyphs. They, in turn, are several thousand years short of the age of these pictoglyphs.

Of interest, the oldest petroglyphs/pictoglyphs in Northern Finland and Karalia are fairly close in age to these found in China.

Might be interesting to compare them. It's noteworthy that today's Sa'ami languages, as a group, are clearly related to ancient Sumerian, and it's the Sumerians who developed the "first writing" (in the Middle East it would now appear).

A linguist at Indiana University who specialized in Uralic-Altaic, and other Central Asian/North Asian languages (ancient and modern) was also able to demonstrate that an American Indian language in California, and an ancient written language in China were also related to Sa'ami and Sumerian.

It's possible all these languages, as well as these ancient pictoglyphs and character systems have a common source ~

8 posted on 05/18/2007 10:48:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

okay


9 posted on 05/18/2007 10:51:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Red Badger

For 4 persons add egg flower soup.


10 posted on 05/18/2007 10:58:56 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: muawiyah

Do you have a link?


11 posted on 05/18/2007 11:01:26 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: muawiyah
A linguist at Indiana University who specialized in Uralic-Altaic, and other Central Asian/North Asian languages (ancient and modern) was also able to demonstrate that an American Indian language in California, and an ancient written language in China were also related to Sa'ami and Sumerian.

Incedible. I never knew that. Thanks.

12 posted on 05/18/2007 11:01:36 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: muawiyah
It's possible all these languages, as well as these ancient pictoglyphs and character systems have a common source ~

The Mother Tongue.

13 posted on 05/18/2007 11:05:02 AM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: Centurion2000
I saved some references to this guy's work. See if I can find them for inclusion in a future thread on this same topic.

This report gets the kind of dates we already had for many of the ancient Northern Scandinavian petroglyphs, and that's kind of a validation of the idea that these guys weren't "alone".

Be interesting to see what kind of interpretations the Chinese have for some of the story boards. The Keralian materials clearly have several stories about a fellow and his wife who had the same experiences as Lot and his wife (as recorded in the Bible).

14 posted on 05/18/2007 11:05:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rahbert

and don’t forget the egg rolls this time!........


15 posted on 05/18/2007 11:06:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: Centurion2000
...that an American Indian language in California, and an ancient written language in China were also related to Sa'ami and Sumerian.

Was he a Mormon?.........

16 posted on 05/18/2007 11:07:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: muawiyah

It’s possible all these languages, as well as these ancient pictoglyphs and character systems have a common source.

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Why would this be surprising?


17 posted on 05/18/2007 11:22:50 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: muawiyah
"Be interesting to see what kind of interpretations the Chinese have for some of the story boards."

There's going to be a problem if Chinese characters much older are found. Stephen Oppenheimer says the oldest Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10,000 years old.

They were probably made by the people from the Clan Of Ina.

18 posted on 05/18/2007 11:26:16 AM PDT by blam
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To: Renfield
Thanks.

BBC version of the same story:

Chinese writing '8,000 years old'

19 posted on 05/18/2007 11:46:46 AM PDT by blam
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To: Renfield
In other news, the Chinese government demanded to know the identity of this 8,000 year old blogger...

Yahoo is seeing if it can provide information.

20 posted on 05/18/2007 12:19:05 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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