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Muslims face extra checks in new travel crackdown
London Times ^ | 8/15/2006 | Ben Webster

Posted on 08/14/2006 6:06:47 PM PDT by Agent Smith

The Times August 15, 2006

Muslims face extra checks in new travel crackdown By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent

THE Government is discussing with airport operators plans to introduce a screening system that allows security staff to focus on those passengers who pose the greatest risk.

The passenger-profiling technique involves selecting people who are behaving suspiciously, have an unusual travel pattern or, most controversially, have a certain ethnic or religious background.

The system would be much more sophisticated than simply picking out young men of Asian appearance. But it would cause outrage in the Muslim community because its members would be far more likely to be selected for extra checks.

Officials at the Department for Transport (DfT) have discussed the practicalities of introducing such a system with airport operators, including BAA. They believe that it would be more effective at identifying potential terrorists than the existing random searches.

They also say that it would greatly reduce queues at secur-ity gates, which caused lengthy delays at London airports yesterday for the fifth day running. Heathrow and Gatwick were worst affected, cancelling 69 and 27 flights respectively. BAA gave warning yesterday that the disruption would continue for the rest of the week.

Passengers are now allowed to take one small piece of hand luggage on board but security staff are still having to search 50 per cent of travellers. Airports have also been ordered to search twice as many hand luggage items as a week ago.

BAA was criticised yesterday for failing to commit itself to recruiting more security staff and for claiming that its existing 6,000 staff at seven airports would be able to handle the extra searches. Tony Douglas, the chief executive of Heathrow, said that X-ray screening of hand luggage would be much faster under the new rules on size and contents, leaving staff free to carry out more searches.

The new measures, which include a ban on taking any liquids through checkpoints, are expected to remain in place for months. A DfT source said it was difficult to see how the restrictions could be relaxed if terrorists now had the capabil-ity to make liquid bombs.

The DfT has been considering passenger profiling for a year but, until last week, the disadvantages were thought to outweigh the advantages. A senior aviation industry source said: “The DfT is ultra-sensitive about this and won’t say anything publicly because of political concerns about being accused of racial stereotyping.”

Three days before last week’s arrests, the highest-ranking Muslim police officer in Britain gave warning that profiling techniques based on physical appearance were already causing anger and mistrust among young Muslims. Tarique Ghaffur, an assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said: “We must think long and hard about the causal factors of anger and resentment.

“There is a very real danger that the counter-terrorism label is also being used by other law-enforcement agencies to the effect that there is a real risk of criminalising minority communities.”

Sir Rod Eddington, former chief executive of British Airways, criticised the random nature of security searches. He said that it was irrational to subject a 75-year-old grandmother to the same checks as a 25-year-old man who had just paid for his ticket with cash.

Philip Baum, an aviation security consultant, said that profiling should focus on ruling out people who obviously posed no risk rather than picking out Asian or Arabs.

A DfT spokesman refused to make any comment or answer any questions on profiling.

AIRPORT UPDATE

British Airways plans to cancel forty short-haul and four long-haul flights from Heathrow today as well as eleven domestic flights from Gatwick. Other airlines expect to operate near-normal schedules.

All airports will allow passengers to carry one small piece of hand luggage, but no liquids are allowed through the security search point other than prescribed medicines and baby food.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; airports; gwot; jihadintheuk; londonairlineplot; muslims; profiling; security; terrorism; waronterror; wot
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I am glad to hear that at least one western government is sane.
1 posted on 08/14/2006 6:06:47 PM PDT by Agent Smith
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To: Agent Smith

That is what should be done. Not the PC attitude that we have here.


2 posted on 08/14/2006 6:08:46 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: Agent Smith

It's not gonna happen. It's still just being discussed and now the self-appointed "moderate muslim" leaders are going to go beserk.


3 posted on 08/14/2006 6:09:05 PM PDT by Battleofbritain (")
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To: Battleofbritain

and they should..we all know it's wheelchair bound grammas and grampas along with their amish friends that are causin all the trouble... (sarc/off)


4 posted on 08/14/2006 6:11:02 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: Agent Smith

Let's hope this spreads to the US...


5 posted on 08/14/2006 6:11:05 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Agent Smith
Philip Baum, an aviation security consultant, said that profiling should focus on ruling out people who obviously posed no risk rather than picking out Asian or Arabs.

Sounds good except that this is a distinction without a difference.

6 posted on 08/14/2006 6:11:19 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Agent Smith
B.B.B.!

IOW, Big Brit Bump!

7 posted on 08/14/2006 6:12:57 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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But it would cause outrage in the Muslim community because its members would be far more likely to be selected for extra checks.

Boo Phocking Hoo.

8 posted on 08/14/2006 6:13:05 PM PDT by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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To: Agent Smith
BEcause there is at least one terrorist (Timothy McVeigh) who is not Middle Eastern, it is therefore safe to assume that other non-Middle Eastern men could be terrorists.....leading to the inescapable conclusion that profiling Middle Easterners is racist and wrong.

And as we all know, NOTHING - not murder, not rape, not genocide, not torture - NOTHING is worse than to have a racist mindset.

God help us and save us from our sold-out leaders.

9 posted on 08/14/2006 6:14:40 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: strange1

AMEN!!

"But it would cause outrage in the Muslim community because its members would be far more likely to be selected for extra checks."

Because your brethren ARE the F%#%$ing problem!!!


10 posted on 08/14/2006 6:14:51 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Agent Smith
This is smart. Two checkpoints.

THOSE WHO PRAY TO ALLAH and

THOSE WHO DO NOT PRAY TO ALLAH ought to cover it.

11 posted on 08/14/2006 6:16:19 PM PDT by Yaelle
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Good news, but how are they going to spot the white or black converts, if they shave and/or wear western garb?


12 posted on 08/14/2006 6:16:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Agent Smith

"...there is a real risk of criminalising minority communities.”

No need for the police to do that. The Muslim community in England is doing a bang up job of turning itself into a criminal community when the police are looking into SEVENTY terrorist plots now, with hundreds of Muslim suspects.


13 posted on 08/14/2006 6:16:56 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Agent Smith
The passenger-profiling technique involves selecting people who are behaving suspiciously, have an unusual travel pattern or, most controversially, have a certain ethnic or religious background.

Bring This Practice to the US! We must not allow Islamic Fascists to continue to kill us!

14 posted on 08/14/2006 6:18:04 PM PDT by PureSolace (God save us all)
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To: Agent Smith

The Amishadeen will strike you when you are least suspecting it!


15 posted on 08/14/2006 6:19:06 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: joyce11111
It's been proven. PC kills.

If a group to which I belong were blowing up innocents all over the world, I would understand that if I chose to fly, I would have to go through an hour or more of scrutiny. And boy would I turn on my fellow California blondes for putting me up to it, not on the societies that are just trying to stay alive!! Get a clue, good Muslims!

16 posted on 08/14/2006 6:19:41 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: tubebender

If it doesn't we should at least make sure all flights pass through the UK.


17 posted on 08/14/2006 6:20:16 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: nopardons

"Good news, but how are they going to spot the white or black converts, if they shave and/or wear western garb?"

Since 99% of world terrorism is done by Muslims, profiling this group and employing sophisticated questioning can eliminate 99% of the terrorism. In addition, everyone else should also go through a good questioningm too.


18 posted on 08/14/2006 6:23:04 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Agent Smith

Why not just make those in line eat pork before they enter the screening area?


19 posted on 08/14/2006 6:23:09 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: Agent Smith

The threat of nude searches will keep the Islamoslimes from flying. Kind of like sissies in that regard.


20 posted on 08/14/2006 6:23:09 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Agent Smith

A breakthrough. Recognizing the obvious is the first step towards a cure.


21 posted on 08/14/2006 6:23:18 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Agent Smith

Seems to me that this is a no-brainer. Since 100% of the attacks on the west have been from Muslims in the last 30 years, IMHO all muslim people ought to be suspect......


22 posted on 08/14/2006 6:24:15 PM PDT by ErieGeno
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

NO ONE, NO ONE expects the Amish Inqusition!


23 posted on 08/14/2006 6:24:41 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Take the names and photos of those who attend Mosques in England...

I wish we'd do it here.

24 posted on 08/14/2006 6:25:15 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Agent Smith
THE Government is discussing with airport operators plans to introduce a screening system that allows security staff to focus on those passengers who pose the greatest risk.

It's about time. Muslims should be profiled and checked before boarding any plane.

25 posted on 08/14/2006 6:25:44 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Yaelle
And boy would I turn on my fellow California blondes for putting me up to it,

Now there is a group that gets "profiled" all the time.

26 posted on 08/14/2006 6:25:54 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: Agent Smith

The muslims had their chance. They could have organized anti-terror demos, gone on tv condemning it, etc.

They deserve to be treated -- everyone last one of them -- as suspect.


27 posted on 08/14/2006 6:29:01 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Agent Smith
already causing anger and mistrust among young Muslims. Tarique Ghaffur, an assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said: “We must think long and hard about the causal factors of anger and resentment.

How about the Muslims think long and hard about the causal factors of OUR anger and resentment?

It's time for that backlash they have been waiting for.

28 posted on 08/14/2006 6:29:08 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: stripes1776

"THE Government is discussing with airport operators plans to introduce a screening system that allows security staff to focus on those passengers who pose the greatest risk."

Who let Mike Wallace on a flight?


29 posted on 08/14/2006 6:29:37 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Agent Smith

Bout damn time. Days late, dollars and pounds short.

Now if we can just convince the PC police in America to think rationally and pragmatically to protect us from the Islamofascist war on Western Civilization, freedom, Israel and the Jews.


30 posted on 08/14/2006 6:31:46 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Lizavetta
BEcause there is at least one terrorist (Timothy McVeigh) who is not Middle Eastern

Timothy McVeigh is not likely to attempt to get past airline security. He doesn't fly much these days.

31 posted on 08/14/2006 6:32:06 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: Agent Smith

They don't have any choice. How much further can you go with screening? You are gonna have to fly them naked.


32 posted on 08/14/2006 6:33:06 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

And just HOW would mere questioning of some white guy or girl, who looks just like you or me, who WILL be prone to lie, going to suss out the recent, rabid convert?


33 posted on 08/14/2006 6:33:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Dog Gone

Not necessarily since there are some Caucasian Muslims. Remeber John Walker Lindh?

I think a careful, yet efficient system whereby there are several security perimeters are used. Each perimeter has direct contact with the next perimeter and can flag certain passengers as "persons of interest". If the next perimeter has reason to agree, then this person or persons can be screened more closely at the next perimeter.

It would still be rather slow, but would speed up flow at the bottle necks.

Oh, and BTW, even if they don't say they do, TSA does profile, and Airport security has been profiling for as long as hijackings have been around.

I have some friends from Malaysia and Singapore. Some of them told me, just prior to the April 19 Bombing in OKC, that their relatives were stopped at the Airport here in OKC, interrogated, searched, then let go. The authorities never gave a reason, nor should they have. Then after the bombings it was revealed that Terry Nichols had been to the Phillipines and was in contact with terrorists (very likely Al Quieda) there.

There are still many here in OKC that believe there was an Al Quieda tie to the bombing. Why that part of the investigation has been dropped is still a mystery. The feds claim that John Doe #2 was a figment of some Ryder truck store clerks immagination. If that's the case than he was also the figment of several eyewitnesses imaginations at the scene of the bombing just before it happened.


34 posted on 08/14/2006 6:35:53 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Battleofbritain
Sadly, you're probably right.

This is certainly the enemy within who weakens this country. Now it makes perfect sense why multiculturalism, diversity, anger management, and similiar 'neutering' mindsets have been so relentlessly pushed in the last 20 years.....to keep us from speaking out when foreigners try to destroy us.

God save us from our leaders.

35 posted on 08/14/2006 6:39:07 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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Muslims you are being singled out , simply because you are raising havoc, across the planet. Do you think we will sit back and just take it? NO.

THIS IS NOT FRANCE. THE UK, AUSTRALIA, AND THE USA, will deal with this. We have tolerated your insanity for to long. If you don't want to be profiled, tell that to the mujahadin. Just don't complain to us infidels about it.

Allah knows, he wants us dead, and it seems MANY of you Muslims are quiet about it.

Jeff Davis

36 posted on 08/14/2006 6:44:10 PM PDT by mosquewatch.com (No Islam, Know Peace. www.mosquewatch.blogspot.com)
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To: Yaelle

I am Catholic. If the IRA were blowing up packed trains and flying airliners into buildings in the name of my religion, not only would I be denouncing them in the streets at the top of my lungs, I'd be forming a Catholic Patriotic League or something and insisting that the Feds single out "my kind" for extra attention at airports, train stations, etc. I would act as a spy in my parish, and would report anything I heard that sounded even remotely sympathetic to the IRA to the FBI. I would raise money to publish advertisements in major media letting the public know in no uncertain terms that Catholic Americans are FOR America and AGAINST the IRA. If it came right down to it, I'd even go peacefully to a concentration camp if that were the only way to neutralize fifth columnists, spies, and fellow-travelers among the population.

What I'm trying to say is that as a Catholic and and American, my highest allegiance is to my family and the U.S.A -- I acknowledge only Jesus Christ and his mother ahead of my family and my country. And I daresay you'd be hard-pressed to find any American Catholic (or American Lutheran, Mennonite, Jew, or Mormon) who doesn't feel the same.

My question is: how many American Muslims have the same priorities?


37 posted on 08/14/2006 6:44:48 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Who let Mike Wallace on a flight?

Norm Mineta

38 posted on 08/14/2006 6:47:01 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Blueflag

The muslim community has not stepped up as Americans during the twenty or more years of muslim terrorism. Either you are going to go with America, or you are going to go with the Mo's perpetrating terrorism. Mos in America need to quit being weeping willows and accept the fact that our constitution trumps their Koran in this country and it always will. We are not going to be ruled by a bunch of ill-educated mullahs wearing dresses, turbans, bad haircuts and beards (who smell bad), who approve of kidnappings, beheadments and the like. If you don't want to be an American, go to some modern and enlightened country which is Mohammedan, if there is one, and if they would have you, now that you have contaminated yourselves by living here in peace and freedom under the rule of law.


39 posted on 08/14/2006 6:47:42 PM PDT by mathurine (ua)
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To: traditional1
Why not just make those in line eat pork before they enter the screening area?

Jews don't eat pork.

How about free beer?

40 posted on 08/14/2006 6:47:49 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: B-Chan

Exactly. Not just American Muslims. There are no doubt good Muslims all over the world who would never kill an innocent person. I don't know if they are afraid of their own brethren if they stood up and denounced terrorism, or what, but their "leaders" seem only to be focused on anger toward terrorists' victims for "profiling." Are they wholly without logic?


41 posted on 08/14/2006 6:52:16 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Alouette

Or "Pet the Airline Pig"?


42 posted on 08/14/2006 6:53:08 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Agent Smith

If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one that got hit.


43 posted on 08/14/2006 6:54:29 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: phoenix0468

You're right. Not all muslims are south asian or arabic. Lindh wasn't really a terrorist, though. He was a Talibunny.

A few of the terrorists don't fit the profile of arabs or south asians. But easily 99% of them do.

So it's silly not to concentrate on them. I'm tired of seeing great-grandma get wanded at the security checkpoint while the guy speaking arabic waltzes on through.

I feel sorry for the patriotic arab citizens of this country who will feel the brunt of any profiling. Yet I'd feel even sorrier for them if a terrorist killed them.

And that terrorist is almost surely going to be an arab or a Pakistani.


44 posted on 08/14/2006 6:57:43 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

I don't disagree with the fact that most of them are Arab or Asian, I am only stating another way to effectively screen for possible danger.


45 posted on 08/14/2006 7:03:23 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Agent Smith
And if any Norwegian bachelor farmers returning home to Minnesota start committing jihad, they all should face special screening too!
46 posted on 08/14/2006 7:04:59 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Dog Gone
"Philip Baum, an aviation security consultant, said that profiling should focus on ruling out people who obviously posed no risk rather than picking out Asian or Arabs."
Sounds good except that this is a distinction without a difference.

Not necessarily. I've long figured that the pre-boarding screening interviews I encounter (along with everyone else) in Europe upon return to the States are part of this profiling.

I'm not savvy as to exactly what they're looking for, but it's obvious (to me) that they're looking for tell-tales that could lead one on to a more "in-depth" interview. But whatever it is they're looking for (I can make some guesses, and they go to mental state more than political/religious orientation), I don't seem to match up.

Maybe if I'd been forced to pack a bomb things would be different. I do know my approach to these interviewers would not be as easy as it has been...

47 posted on 08/14/2006 7:07:47 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | Appeasement=Suicide | Hezbo rockets carry "peaceheads")
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To: Agent Smith
Why are they even allowed to travel? Look how many innocent CITIZENS of every nation on EARTH have been MURDERED by slimes!

The only travel they should have is back to sand land!

48 posted on 08/14/2006 7:10:37 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl! *-0(:~{>)
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To: traditional1

That's a really stupid idea; Jews and Hindus won't do that either.


49 posted on 08/14/2006 7:13:55 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GAB-1955
That's a really stupid idea; Jews and Hindus won't do that either.

Yeah, that's true.

Let me defer to your infinite intellectual superiority, and hear the pearls of wisdom from you. What's your idea?

50 posted on 08/14/2006 7:18:10 PM PDT by traditional1
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