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Jay Ambrose: Thank The Ancient Greeks For Civilization As We Know It
DC Examiner ^ | 8/9/06 | Jay Ambrose

Posted on 08/09/2006 6:58:13 AM PDT by steve-b

True or false?

Eight hundred years ago, a monk did his best to erase a copy of some of Archimedes' most important work, putting some prayers on the parchment instead, and the words of the great Greek mathematician were then gone forever.

False.

At Stanford University in California, some scientists are using X-ray technology to make the older ink shine through the later scribbling, thereby recovering a remarkable piece of history and doing something else to boot. They are giving us an illustration among many of how a civilization made great in part by the Greeks of antiquity remains great to this day, and is worthy not only of preservation, but of an appreciative shout — "Eureka!"

"Eureka" — meaning, "I have found it" — is what Archimedes (287 BC-212 BC) supposedly yelped as he ran naked through the streets of Syracuse. The discovery of the moment, made as he lowered his body into a tub for a bath, was that the water displaced was proportionate to the substance put into it, a principle of unending practical and theoretical value.

Known as the founder of integral calculus and mathematical physics, Archimedes is considered one of the two or three greatest mathematicians ever. We are told he discovered pi and a new way to find square roots.

He developed a numerical system to facilitate calculations in large numbers. He was the inventor of the water screw to raise water and helped win battles through his invention of such weapons as a catapult that could fling 500-pound rocks at the enemy. With levers and pulleys of his contrivance, he could yank ships out of water, and he reputedly once said he could move the Earth if given a place to stand.

The Greek contribution to the best of Western civilization is very nearly incalculable, not just in math and the sciences, as exemplified in the work of Archimedes, but in moral philosophy and political thought, in ideas of how we should go about living our lives rationally.

We've all studied the other major influences — the ancient Hebrews, the Romans, parts of the high Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, modernity.

From all of this and more, we have evolved free, open societies governed by the rule of law, widespread health and longevity unimaginable in previous epochs, systems of education available to everyone, opportunities of every possible kind and a technology very nearly miraculous in its reach.

Other civilizations have obviously had their day in the sun, including that of Middle East Muslims, whose accomplishments were once writ large.

But as the scholar Bernard Lewis has written, something went wrong, something brought this civilization to a standstill, made it into something dark and dreary compared to the sunshine in the West.

From this fact has come fierce resentment and young men looking for a meaning they cannot find in dry-bones, autocratic, impoverished lands.

From this has come the suicidal terrorism of the true, fascistic believer.

Meanwhile, our civilization, while veering down many wrong paths, has veered up many right paths, as is shown in one small way by the use of a hair-sized X-ray beam that may help to disclose Archimedes' thoughts on flotation, gravity and other issues. There's a lesson here about something that comes to us from distances both long and short in time and space and that we may take for granted, but is presently under serious challenge.

What we must do is move this challenge to inconsequentiality. To do that, we must stand on deep respect for the best in our heritage and a determination to preserve it and fight for it as necessary.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: archimedes; epigraphyandlanguage; ggg; glyffs; god; godsgravesglyphs; greeks; history; messiniandessication; muslims; palimpsest
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1 posted on 08/09/2006 6:58:14 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b

I am thankful to the Greeks for pi, coconut cream pi specifically.


2 posted on 08/09/2006 7:03:07 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I looked in my rearview mirror.)
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To: steve-b
"Known as the founder of integral calculus and mathematical physics". I'm a mathematician, and it's a bit of a stretch to call him the founder of integral calculus; that's usually reserved for Newton and Leibnitz. Archimedes came extremely close, as evidenced by his approximation of pi by looking at inscribed and circumscribed polygons about the circle.
3 posted on 08/09/2006 7:11:03 AM PDT by sjmiller
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To: steve-b

All societies have contributed to the rise of mankind.

Americans should be thanked for the atomic bomb, without which there would be no civilization.


4 posted on 08/09/2006 7:12:29 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with willfully ignorant enemies.)
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To: steve-b

"Meanwhile, our civilization, while veering down many wrong paths, has veered up many right paths..."

Western Civilization has led the World in creating political and economic freedom and a culture that allows progress.

Multiculturalism be damned, all cultures are not equal.


5 posted on 08/09/2006 7:12:38 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: BipolarBob
Some things are just a matter of geographical good fortune. They couldn't have invented coconut cream pi if they hadn't been living in the country of coconut trees.

At the same time, the Greeks have to take the blame for the college fraternity system.

6 posted on 08/09/2006 7:13:02 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Balding_Eagle
Willful idiocy, or just provoking today?
7 posted on 08/09/2006 7:20:08 AM PDT by zek157
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To: steve-b

ping


8 posted on 08/09/2006 7:23:25 AM PDT by Cruz
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Multiculturism be damned. Whoa!! I have been indoctrinated with diversity courses at my work and YOU are destroying the whole illusion that I have been brainwashed er . . . taught. I am supposed to celebrate Black History month, Cinco de Mayo, the global economy (waving goodbye to American factory jobs), homo marriages, Islam - the religion of peace (but they hate Israel and America and want to kill us), affirmative action and eventually a one world government. That being the case I dare not raise a voice about any other culture I am supposed to celebrate.
9 posted on 08/09/2006 7:27:46 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I looked in my rearview mirror.)
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I too have been inundated with multiple celebrations of diversity. I don't have a problem with people having pride in their origin. What I resent is the way these "celebrations" are foisted on us as PC recognitions of the many hyphenated Americans.
We are all Americans with out hyphens.
10 posted on 08/09/2006 7:44:44 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: zek157

Just a little provoking. As long as we were to fall all over thanking the Greeks, I thought I'd toss in something we should be thanked for.

America is the only society standing between a world of civiliztion and one of utter chaos.

If we fall, there will be a thousand years of darkness accross the face of the earth.

It puts some perspective to the whole idea of thanking societies.


11 posted on 08/09/2006 8:08:15 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with willfully ignorant enemies.)
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To: BipolarBob

Multiculturalism: Celebrating the achievments of every culture EXCEPT the culture that actually achieved something.


12 posted on 08/09/2006 8:16:59 AM PDT by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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To: steve-b

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13 posted on 08/09/2006 8:17:54 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
What I resent is the way these "celebrations" are foisted on us as PC recognitions of the many hyphenated Americans.

What other people celebrate is their buisness. Not mine. And it has nothing to do with buisness. We may work at a place where everyone is a different age, gender, religion, sexual orientation and ethicity and I say SO WHAT? Let's all just do our job and do our celebrating on our own time.

14 posted on 08/09/2006 8:28:57 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I looked in my rearview mirror.)
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Wow, I'm not going to touch that Tar-Baby.


15 posted on 08/09/2006 8:33:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: steve-b; All

This discovery is thought to be a fragment of what is called "The Method" - and in fact does predate that English guy with the apple (and fluxons) and the German fellow.


16 posted on 08/09/2006 8:45:19 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Balding_Eagle

I totally agree and watch with breath held as our underpinnings are knocked out.


17 posted on 08/09/2006 8:48:38 AM PDT by zek157
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To: steve-b; All

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Interesting footnote,

shortly after the Greek war of independence from the ottoman empire, one of the Greek leaders said to an american official "we honor our past by emulating your present."

The United States is truly the heir to the Hellenic Enlightenment. It is a WAY of thinking in which all things can be studied and examined.

It is not just the individual parts but how you put all those parts together.

The attack on the classics is a blatent attempt to dumb down thinking. Look at the founders, they activly sought to create a modern Olympus in Washington DC. The multiculturalists want to dumb down everyone into balkanized zombies who cound never have the intelectual thought to make connections. The ancient Greeks were voracious seekers of ideas, the modern NEA is a voracious censor of ideas.

The melting pot is welcoming of ideas put together. Multiculteralism is the anti-hellenic force of destruction that all agree keeps ideas from being shared and growing.

It is a sad mark that the parts of the world suffering stagnation and missery failed to build upon the hellenic past. (this includes europe)


18 posted on 08/09/2006 9:16:32 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kolokotronis

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19 posted on 08/09/2006 10:04:06 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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I enjoy reading and studying ancient Greek and Roman History. The more that I learn about the Greeks and Romans, the more I understand how much our culture inherited from them. True, Christianity came from the Hebrews, but Christianity grew and was nurtured by the Greco-Roman culture. Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity and Christianity became the official religion of the Empire creating Christendom.

The foundation of our culture, its legal, social, religious, philosophical, lingual and cultural nature is based on the Greco-Roman.

The Greek and Roman legal system provided that a man was innocent until proven guilty. Jury trial with legal counsel were the standard. The law was considered important, even during the Empire and some nasty Emperors.

Socrates preferred death to escape from his sentence, because it would not be honorable to disrespect the rule of law. The Greek and Roman culture found that individuals were important. This was strengthened by Christianity.

The strength of the Hellenic and Roman states were based on the rule of law and a strong military culture. This military culture called for military service by its citizens (in Roman Empire, new citizens were created by joining the Legions, eventually in the late Empire, the military was not connected to the Roman citizenry, since most of the military were not originally Roman). The military culture focused on its soldiers working as members of a well oiled machine. Routinely, Greeks and Romans defeated forces when vastly outnumbered based on their well trained and unified legions.

Our military culture comes from the strong British military culture that is exemplified by similar principles. Good training, initial initiative but operating as a well oiled unit. Also, it expects to win, not surrender like some in this world.
20 posted on 08/09/2006 10:08:33 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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