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It's God or Darwin
National Review Online ^ | 12/21/'05 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 12/21/2005 2:06:09 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator

Competing Designs

Tuesday's ruling by a federal judge in Pennsylvania, disparaging intelligent design as a religion-based and therefore false science, raises an important question: If ID is bogus because many of its theorists have religious beliefs to which the controversial critique of Darwinism lends support, then what should we say about Darwinism itself? After all, many proponents of Darwinian evolution have philosophical beliefs to which Darwin lends support.

"We conclude that the religious nature of Intelligent Design would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child," wrote Judge John E. Jones III in his decision, Kitzmiller v. Dover, which rules that criticizing Darwin's theory in biology class is unconstitutional. Is it really true that only Darwinism, in contrast to ID, represents a disinterested search for the truth, unmotivated by ideology?

Judge Jones was especially impressed by the testimony of philosophy professor Barbara Forrest of Southeastern Louisiana University, author of Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design. Professor Forrest has definite beliefs about religion, evident from the fact that she serves on the board of directors of the New Orleans Secular Humanist Association, which is "an affiliate of American Atheists, and [a] member of the Atheist Alliance International," according to the group's website. Of course, she's entitled to believe what she likes, but it's worth noting.

Religion and Smallpox
Other leading Darwinian advocates not only reject religion but profess disgust for it and frankly admit a wish to see it suppressed. Lately I've been collecting published thoughts on religion from pro-Darwin partisans. Professional scholars, they have remarkable things to say especially about Christianity. Let these disinterested seekers of the truth speak for themselves.

My favorite is Tufts University's Daniel C. Dennett. In his highly regarded Darwin's Dangerous Idea, he tells why it might be necessary to confine conservative Christians in zoos. It's because Bible-believing Baptists, in particular, may tolerate "the deliberate misinforming of children about the natural world." In other words, they may doubt Darwin. This cannot stand! "Safety demands that religion be put in cages," explains Dennett, "when absolutely necessary....The message is clear: those who will not accommodate, who will not temper, who insist on keeping only the purest and wildest strains of their heritage alive, we will be obliged, reluctantly, to cage or disarm, and we will do our best to disable the memes they fight for."

In an essay, "Is Science a Religion?", Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins is frank enough. Perhaps the leading figure on the Darwin side, he forthrightly states that "faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." He equates God with an "imaginary friend" and baptism with child abuse. In his book The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design, Dawkins observed that Darwin "made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist."

There is Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg, of the University of Texas, who defended Darwinism before the Texas State Board of Education in 2003. In accepting an award from the Freedom From Religion Foundation,Weinberg didn't hide his own feelings about how science must deliver the fatal blow to religious faith: "I personally feel that the teaching of modern science is corrosive of religious belief, and I'm all for that! One of the things that in fact has driven me in my life, is the feeling that this is one of the great social functions of science — to free people from superstition." When Weinberg's idea of science triumphs, then "this progression of priests and ministers and rabbis and ulamas and imams and bonzes and bodhisattvas will come to an end, [and] we'll see no more of them. I hope that this is something to which science can contribute and if it is, then I think it may be the most important contribution that we can make."

There is University of Minnesota biologist P. Z. Myers, a prominent combatant in the Darwin wars being fought in an archipelago of websites. He links his own site (recently plugged in the prestigious journal Nature) to a "humorous" web film depicting Jesus' flagellation and crucifixion, a speeded-up version of Mel Gibson's Passion, to the accompaniment of the Benny Hill theme music "Yakety Sax," complete with cartoonish sound effects. "Never let it be said that I lack a sense of reverence or an appreciation of Christian mythology," commented this teacher at a state university. In another blog posting, Myers daydreamed about having a time machine that would allow him to go back and eliminate the Biblical patriarch Abraham. Some might argue for using the machine to assassinate other notorious figures of history, but not Myers: "I wouldn't do anything as trivial as using it to take out Hitler."

Then there is the Darwinist chairman of the religious studies department at the University of Kansas, Paul Mirecki. He emerged from obscurity recently when his startlingly crude A HREF="anti-Christian writings came to light. Mirecki's bright idea had been to teach a course about "mythologies," including intelligent design. Things got interesting when it came out that he followed up his announcement by crowing in an e-mail to a list-serve: "The fundies [Christian fundamentalists] want [ID] taught in a science class, but this will be a nice slap in their big fat face by teaching it as a religious studies class under the category 'mythology.'"

Mirecki had previously posted a list-serve message responding to somebody's joke about Pope John Paul II being "a corpse in a funny hat wearing a dress." Mirecki wrote back, "I love it! I refer to him as J2P2 (John Paul II), like the Star Wars robot R2D2."

Administration officials at KU confirmed that the e-mails had come from Mirecki, who also wrote: "I had my first Catholic 'holy communion' when I was a kid in Chicago, and when I took the bread-wafer the first time, it stuck to the roof of my mouth, and as I was secretly trying to pry it off with my tongue as I was walking back to my pew with white clothes and with my hands folded, all I could think was that it was Jesus' skin, and I started to puke, but I sucked it in and drank my own puke. That's a big part of the Catholic experience."

Prudently, the university canceled Mirecki's proposed "mythologies" class and ousted him as department chairman.

I've already reported on NRO about the views expressed by Darwinist staff scientists at the Smithsonian Institution. The nation's museum was roiled last year when the editor of a Smithsonian-affiliated biology journal published a peer-reviewed article favoring intelligent design. His fellow staffers composed emails venting their fury. One e-mailer, figuring the editor must be an ID advocate and therefore (obviously!) a fundamentalist Christian (he is neither), allowed that, "Scientists have been perfectly willing to let these people alone in their churches." Another museum scientist noted how, after "spending 4.5 years in the Bible Belt," he knew all about Christians. He reminisced about the "fun we had" when "my son refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance because of the 'under dog' [meaning 'under God'] part."

God and Darwin
Admittedly, there are those in the Darwin community who argue that Darwinism is compatible with religion. Judge Jones himself, in the Kitzmiller decision, writes that

many of the leading proponents of ID make a bedrock assumption which is utterly false. Their presupposition is that evolutionary theory is antithetical to a belief in the existence of a supreme being and to religion in general. Repeatedly in this trial, plaintiffs' scientific experts testified that the theory of evolution represents good science, is overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community, and that it in no way conflicts with, nor does it deny, the existence of a divine creator.

Some advocates go further, seeing Darwin as a friend to faith. When I was in New York recently I spent an enjoyable hour at the new Darwin show at the American Museum of Natural History. In the last few yards of exhibit space, before you hit the inevitable gift shop, the museum addresses intelligent design. There's a short film with scientists talking about Darwin and religion, seeking to show that Darwinism actually has religion's best interests in mind. Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome project and a self-identified Christian, says that ID can "potentially [do] great harm to people's faiths." How so? Says Collins: by "putting God in the gaps" — by discovering God's creative powers at the junctures in life's history that science can't so far explain. When science at last finds mechanistic explanations for every presumed miracle, where will that leave God?

Never mind that his view, in which God can be assumed not to operate in the natural world, makes Collins a funny kind of Christian.

Never mind, also, that he inaccurately characterizes ID. The argument for design, whatever merit it may possess, is based on positive evidence, hallmarks of a designer's work. For example, the sudden infusion of genetic information 530 million years, when most of today's animal body plans appeared in the earth's ancient seas.

It should be clear by now that Darwinism makes an unlikely defender of religion's best interests. On the contrary, the ranks of the Darwinistas are replete with opponents of religion.

Does this delegitimize Darwinism as science? Obviously not — no more than ID is delegitimized by the fact that many Christians, Jews, and Muslims are attracted to its interpretation of nature's evidence. Of course, some avowed agnostics also doubt Darwin (e.g. evolutionary biologist Stanley Salthe, molecular biologist Michael Denton, and mathematician David Berlinski who says his only religious principle is "to have a good time all the time"). But there is irony in the way the media generally follow Barbara Forrest's line in portraying ID as a "Trojan Horse" for theism. It would be equally accurate to call Darwin a trojan horse for atheism.

In fact, both Darwin and design have metaphysical implications and are expressions of a certain kind of faith. ID theorists are not willing to submit to the assumption that material stuff is the only reality. Darwinism takes the opposite view, materialism, which assumes there can never be a supernatural reality.

In this it only follows Charles Darwin, who wrote the Origin of Species as an exercise in seeking to explain how life could have got to be the way it is without recourse to divine creative activity. In a pious mode intended to disarm critics, he concluded his book by writing of "laws impressed on matter by the Creator." However readers immediately saw the barely concealed point of the work: to demonstrate there was no need for "laws impressed on matter" by a Creator.

In short, with apologies to Judge Jones, there is no coherent reconciliation between God and Darwin. Attempts to show how we can have both faith in a spiritual reality (religion) and faith in pure materialism (Darwin) always end up vacuuming the essential meaning out of either God or Darwin.

And this, I think, is why some Darwin advocates dislike religion. It's why they fight it with such passion: Because negating religion is the reason behind their belief system. To their credit, they recognize a truth that others prefer not to see. That is: One may choose Darwin or one may choose God.


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Where are the religious Left, the feminist critics of "male science," the Third World/indigenous foes of "alien western philosophy" corruting the savages, and the campus crusaders against "dead white European males?" They seem to have changed sides on this one or are sitting it out.

Just a reminder: Darwin works have always been exempt from the purges of the multiculturalists because he serves as the foundation of their whole worldview.

Oh, and, Dr. Myers, `od 'Avraham 'Avinu chay, and there is not a scientist or atheist living whose name will ever shine as brightly. Sorry.

1 posted on 12/21/2005 2:06:12 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator
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To: wideawake; Alouette; hlmencken3; BlackElk

For your interest.


2 posted on 12/21/2005 2:07:29 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Qadonay HaShem dibber; mi lo' yinavei'? (The L-rd G-d has spoken; who will not prophesy?))
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Nor can fate and freewill coexist, but they do.


3 posted on 12/21/2005 2:12:15 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Excellent post. This court case wasn't so much about science, as about competing religious viewpoints. This decision also came down to the musings of an activist judge.


4 posted on 12/21/2005 2:12:20 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: SteveMcKing

That, too, is debatable.


5 posted on 12/21/2005 2:12:46 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: My2Cents

And perjury by the defendents.


6 posted on 12/21/2005 2:13:58 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Does nobody see G_d in Darwin's work except me? Can't we just all get along?


7 posted on 12/21/2005 2:15:28 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I would have to disagree. While the left may love Darwin because he supposedly spurns G_d, in reality Natural Selection is against most of their leftist tripe. Why should we have welfare or laws requiring "equal rights" when according to Natural selection its every man for himself. I should not be helping poor babies to survive if they do not carry my genes. Yet the left wants to make us support stupid people and those who make stupid choices. IMHO.
8 posted on 12/21/2005 2:16:32 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: numberonepal
I have no problem with G_d and Darwin co-existing. Neither view contradicts the other in my opinion. The only time Christians get in trouble is when the view the Old Testament as a textbook and not a guide for living. I'm sure I pissed off some people with that last statement.
9 posted on 12/21/2005 2:18:47 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
In short, with apologies to Judge Jones, there is no coherent reconciliation between God and Darwin. Attempts to show how we can have both faith in a spiritual reality (religion) and faith in pure materialism (Darwin) always end up vacuuming the essential meaning out of either God or Darwin.

Only because the anti-science industry is determined to define study of God's creation a "religion" and are determined to make money off the false dichotomy. Christians in the sciences don't look at it that way.

10 posted on 12/21/2005 2:19:08 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: numberonepal; aliquando
Does nobody see G_d in Darwin's work except me? Can't we just all get along?

I have no problem with G_d and Darwin co-existing. Neither view contradicts the other in my opinion. The only time Christians get in trouble is when the view the Old Testament as a textbook and not a guide for living. I'm sure I pissed off some people with that last statement.

The "ID" people are Theistic evolutionists. I'll never understand what anti-ID Theistic evolutionists and pro-ID Theistic evolutionists are arguing about. Never.

BTW, the smart-@$$ put down of the Hebrew Bible (as opposed to your precious "new testament") is not appreciated, but you probably thing that's funny.

11 posted on 12/21/2005 2:27:54 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Qadonay HaShem dibber; mi lo' yinavei'? (The L-rd G-d has spoken; who will not prophesy?))
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To: Zionist Conspirator

"In short, with apologies to Judge Jones, there is no coherent reconciliation between God and Darwin. Attempts to show how we can have both faith in a spiritual reality (religion) and faith in pure materialism (Darwin) always end up vacuuming the essential meaning out of either God or Darwin.

And this, I think, is why some Darwin advocates dislike religion. It's why they fight it with such passion: Because negating religion is the reason behind their belief system. To their credit, they recognize a truth that others prefer not to see. That is: One may choose Darwin or one may choose God."

I don't think this is true. Although "some" "Darwin advocates" are atheists, by no means all are.

I think the only generalization one can make in this area is that it is true that Darwinian evolution is not compatible with Biblical literalism. But many people who believe in God (including many Christians) are not Biblical literalists. Not being a Biblical literalist is hardly the same thing as "negating religion."

I went to Catholic schools though high school. In biology class we studied evolution. We discussed God's role as creator in philosophy and religious studies classes.

One of the principal scientific witnesses for the plaintiffs in the Dover trial, btw, was a practicing Catholic.


12 posted on 12/21/2005 2:28:42 PM PST by EdJay
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To: Zionist Conspirator
disparaging intelligent design as a religion-based and therefore false science

Blatant misrepresentation in the first sentence.

13 posted on 12/21/2005 2:29:47 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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To: ThinkDifferent

"Evolution does not explain Creation" - Charles Darwin


14 posted on 12/21/2005 2:40:18 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: numberonepal

Darwin and Darwinites don't.

THAT's the thing, right there. Many of us of faith do perceive God in all things, including the use of evolution over time to accomplish what He works. Even creating Darwin.

The problem is that Darwinites don't, can't, won't. Thus, they force a limitation to the understanding and definition of what is "science" just as this judge has...his entire argument rests upon him saying that ID "isn't 'science'" while, what IS "science" is theory when and if it includes Darwin's theory of evolution.

It's all theory. Science is nothing more than postulations that a number of people agree upon as representing accuracy, and thus, "scientific fact" is "proven." There's a more complex process involved in that, and I realize I simplify here, but, in essence, nothing is ever proven as 'fact' until and unless there's acceptance of the results proving that which is postulized.

It's a case today of human limitations determined among those limiting 'science' to mere evolution that 'science' exclude other possibilities. Darwin cannot explain and doesn't account for how life came to be, and beyond that, how the Big Bang was created and begun in and of itself.

The judge, this ruling of late, seems very limited in intellect.


15 posted on 12/21/2005 2:45:49 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Zionist Conspirator
What really constitutes a religion? Consider these:

A "religion" has opinions or worldviews on:

How life/universe began

How life/universe will end

Meaning or purpose to life

How we should act (ethics)

Is there a higher being/god

If there is a god, what is he like

What is the nature of man (good, bad, blank slate)

How we should relate to a higher being/god

I think that every person has opinions on these, even if it is to say that they don't know or don't care (that also reveals an underlying attitude on the subject). Everyone has a "religion." And I think theistic creation as well as strict naturalistic evolution has teachings or implications on these questions, and thus both are "religious."

The advantage of the secularist is that people usually don't recognize that the secularist beliefs are also "religious" (often because they deny it so vehemently, and because they don't worship in an organized way) and as a result, secularists are not constrained by the current interpretations of "separation of church and state." It's a nice little game that the secularists have going for themselves. They can promote their own "religious" beliefs, but censor Christians who hold opposing views.

16 posted on 12/21/2005 3:05:02 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: Zionist Conspirator


It`s JUDICIAL ACTIVISM ,

at it`s worst.

And the FR Evos Will defend it.


17 posted on 12/21/2005 3:16:51 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: DeweyCA
This a quote from Richard Dawkins, perhaps the most famous advocate for evolution in the world when he received a Humanist award in 1996.

The argument from design, an important part of the history of religion, wouldn't be ignored in my religious education classes, needless to say. The children would look at the spellbinding wonders of the living kingdoms and would consider Darwinism alongside the creationist alternatives and make up their own minds. I think the children would have no difficulty in making up their minds the right way if presented with the evidence. What worries me is not the question of equal time but that, as far as I can see, children in the United Kingdom and the United States are essentially given no time with evolution yet are taught creationism (whether at school, in church, or at home).

Of course what dawkins is aying is almost exactly opposite of what is the situation. Throughout school, kids are only and repeatedly exposed to evolution. I think that any proponent of ID or simply anyone who has seen some of the shortfalls of evolutionary theory would love to have Dawkins' proposal of equal time implemented.

18 posted on 12/21/2005 3:17:30 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Clinton Legacy of Judicial Appointees Lives on.
19 posted on 12/21/2005 3:18:42 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
Jones was a Bush appointee
20 posted on 12/21/2005 3:21:02 PM PST by toadthesecond
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