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Harvard researcher ready to wash her hands of space aliens
The Standard-Times & AP ^ | October 16, 2005 | Michael Kunzelman

Posted on 10/18/2005 12:50:27 PM PDT by laney

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To: Riley

Part of my family still lives in Roswell, and so I felt obligated to check out the museum, and yes, they are pretty even handed (altho it's pretty hokey). My Mom lived in Roswell when the crash supposedly happened, and she said she had never heard a thing about it until the 70s or 80s (whenever it became a *thing*).
And Roswell is a nice little town, altho it seems the crime rate is climbing.
susie


61 posted on 10/18/2005 2:28:50 PM PDT by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracty theorist....really.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Please abduct me!


62 posted on 10/18/2005 2:34:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: laney

Good question.

Maybe the IRS is after them?


63 posted on 10/18/2005 2:46:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: laney; Nita Nupress

Oh no, I have leaving cookies and milk out in hope of alien sex, well anykind really.


64 posted on 10/18/2005 2:51:24 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: BenLurkin
There in Switzerland
65 posted on 10/18/2005 2:57:03 PM PDT by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: Graybeard58

We all have a raelian moment during the course of a day..:)


66 posted on 10/18/2005 2:58:33 PM PDT by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: laney

Around the same time, Harvard Medical School started investigating the research methods employed by Pulitzer Prize-winning psychiatrist John Mack, who used hypnosis to retrieve memories from people who claimed to be alien abductees. (The school decided not to censure Mack, who was struck and killed by a drunk driver in London last year.)



Oh sure, he was struck and killed by a drunk driver...if the aliens wanted to take him out don't you think they would make it look like it was due to some terrestial cause?


67 posted on 10/18/2005 2:59:41 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: traviskicks
John Mack is very well qualified (Harvard Med Sch grad with specialty in Psychiatry, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Med, founder of the Department of Psychiatry at the Cambridge Hospital). And he certainly had plenty of time and experience to gauge whether the use of hypnotherapy caused a fundamental breakdown in the process of retrieving abductee's experiences from their subconscious.

IIRC, Mack never really took a position on the abductions, but instead reported his findings as objectively as possible. On the other hand, Susan Clancy seems to be playing the role of debunker, i.e. she is approaching the issue with a preconceived point of view.

68 posted on 10/18/2005 3:05:21 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: laney
China and India both know about underground UFO base in the Himalayan border area deep into the tectonic plates

Kongka La is the low ridge pass in the Himalayas (the blue oval in the map). It is in the disputed India-China border area in Ladakh. In the map the red zone is the disputed area still under Chinese control in the Aksai Chin area. The Chinese held northeastern part is known as Aksai Chin and Indian South West is known as Ladakh. This is the area where Indian and Chinese armies fought major war in 1962. The area is one of the least accessed area in the world and by agreement the two countries do not patrol this part of the border. According to many tourists, Buddhist monks and the local people of Ladakh, the Indian Army and the Chinese Military maintain the line of control. But there is something much more serious happening in this area.

According to the few local people on the Indian and Chinese sides, this is where the UFOs are seen coming out of the ground, According to many, the UFO underground bases are in this region and both the Indian and Chinese Government know this very well..

Recently, some Hindu pilgrims on their way to Mount Kailash from the Western pass, came across strange lights in the sky. The local guides while in the Chinese territory told them that this was nothing new and is a normal phenomenon from Kongka Pass area - the tensed border region between India and China. This strange lighted triangular silent crafts show up from underground and moves almost vertically up. Some of the adventurous pilgrims wanted to look into the site. They were first turned back by the Chinese guard posts as they were refused entry from the Chinese side. When they tried to approach the site from Indian side, the Indian border patrol also turned them down in spite of their permit to travel between the two countries.

The pilgrims at that stage started quizzing the Indian border security personnel. The security personnel told them that they are ordered not to allow any one near the area of interest and it is true that strange objects come out from under the ground with amplified and modulated lights. India’s Special Operations Forces and the intelligence agencies are in charge of that area.

The locals start laughing in that area when they are asked about these UFO sightings. They get surprised why the Governments are so eager to hide these obvious facts. According to them the extra-terrestrial presence is well known and is in deep into the ground. They believe neither the Indian or Chinese Governments do not want to expose the fact for some reason. When they bring up this matter to local Governments, they are told to keep quiet and forget the same. This is the region where the Euresian plate and the Indian plate have created convergent plate boundaries. Convergent plate boundaries are formed where one plate dives under another. Consequently, this is one of the very few areas in the world where the depth of the earth's crust twice as thick as in other places. The opposite is found in hot spots like Yellow Stone National Park in America where the earth’s crust in thin.

The double thick earth-crust allows the creation of underground bases very deep into the tectonic plates.

Kongka La has beautiful rocks and granites. For some strange reasons neither the Chinese nor the Indian authorities ever excavate, dig or mine in this area. The area is pristine and untouched.

Recently, both India and China have moved forward to solve all border disputes and start the Sino-Indian relations all over again. The Aksai Chin area is still disputed. But interesting while negotiations both the Governments are indifferent on this area. India and China as shown in the accompanying maps have huge border areas along the Himalayas and they are negotiating on all these regions. Though India claims that Aksai Chin is part of India, the common belief in the Government is that it is not a show stopper. On the other hand, Chinese after winning Aksai Chin from India in 1962 war, built a strategic military highway. Now they are using an alternate highway not to bother with the area in Kongka La.

Recently in the local school, young children of the area entered into a drawing contest. More than half of the drawings had to do with strange objects in the sky and some coming out of the mountains. Many of them even know what and when to look for.

Many UFO researchers believe that there are hidden UFO bases under the ocean and deep under the ground. Kongka La is experiencing some strange phenomenon and suspicious objects coming out of the inaccessible huge mountains (Himalayas) and both the Governments refuse to come out and say what these are.

The other alternative is that it is an underground strategic Air Force base of some one. Then why will either country allow the base on the official no man’s land in the highly sensitive disputed border area? Why is this region continuously reporting UFO sightings from various kinds of people?

69 posted on 10/18/2005 3:25:55 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: traviskicks
I must admit his followup of a report on aliens that landed in a school yard in africa and he interviewed the kids and teaechers etc... was pretty intriguing.

Africa is a land where magic is real. You would be amazed at the things that happen every day there.

70 posted on 10/18/2005 3:27:01 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: laney

I believe I was abducted by aliens when I entered the 9th grade. My mother told me not to worry - I was in a public school. I haven't changed my mind.


71 posted on 10/18/2005 3:55:11 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
There is certainly good evidence that they are overrepresented in the so-called "reality-based community"
72 posted on 10/18/2005 5:17:05 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: elfman2

Perfect!


73 posted on 10/18/2005 5:21:43 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: brytlea

I had the opportunity to drive across the continent and see the sights in 2003. I stayed there for a couple of days- I thought about staying there- but didn't expect that there'd be a lot of IT work there for me to do.

I'm sorry to hear about the crime. It seemed like one of those places where locking the doors is optional.


74 posted on 10/18/2005 5:48:50 PM PDT by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: laney
"Arguing weird beliefs is a very normal thing," she said in a telephone interview from Nicaragua, where she has a research job. "It's very human for us to believe in things for which there is no scientific evidence." .....

Mack's work gave Clancy an idea: Wouldn't it be easier to test her theories if she could be certain that her subjects' memories were not real? As Clancy and McNally interviewed the abductees, they started to find some common threads. Many of them, for instance, described the terrifying experience of waking up and being unable to move, certain that an intruder was lurking in their room.

To the Harvard psychologists, it was obvious that their subjects had suffered an episode of sleep paralysis -- a state of limbo between sleep and being awake, sometimes punctuated by hallucinations.

Now there's some great science. Things that lack scientific proof are, by default, proven to be false. Therefore, she immediately and without effort has just proven that nothing of what these wackos tell her actually happened.

>>Wouldn't it be easier to test her theories if she could be certain that her subjects' memories were not real?<<

After such an easy dispatch, she stampedes on to her pet pedophile and sleep paralysis theories, with the rock-solid axiom that phenomena that share certain aspects with other phenomena ARE those phenomena - HEY - science is fun!! With these axiomatic hatchets in hand, she slashes through all the annoying wack job stories of UFO's, greys and abductions.

She could be the next Carl Sagan - he of the great principle of "If we don't know how to get there - obviously they wouldn't know how to get here". Hopefully, she will use the same devastating logic and razor-sharp scientific method to decimate all the nutcases that talk about telepathy, apparitions and religious visions.

76 posted on 10/18/2005 7:09:42 PM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: bobbdobbs; GBA; manwiththehands; Texas Federalist
When I get it, my perception is also rather skewed. I think I am pretty aware of my surroundings while it is happening, but when I wake up, I realize that I was a great deal fuzzier than I had thought.

I panicked the first time it ever happened, but after that, it affected me less. It is still uncomfortable, and not entirely without a hint of "Ahhh!", but if I focus on just moving a finger or making a sound, eventually I start to fully rouse (though no sound or movement happens right away).

I never knew there was a technical name for it, or that others got it. Just figured my brain was waking before the rest of me by a few seconds.

But as usual, no matter how strange something is, you can find a whole group of weirdos like yourself on the web!
78 posted on 10/19/2005 6:48:02 AM PDT by madconservative (Proud member of the Donner Party Republicans... hey, it's better than being a Kool-Aid Konservative.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Most of them are probably lefties. I'm usually up late at night and sometimes listen to George Noory. These UFO abductees often spout off environmentalist or anti-war stuff. You know, the aliens have come here to warn us that rampant capitalism is raping the environment and the U.S. military is threatening the whole universe. Sometimes they also attack traditional morality. The family unit "enslaves" people and we need to be practice "free love" like they do back on the planet Ogalandoo, or whatever.

In fact, I was listening to Noory's show the night he reported that UFO enthusiast John Mack had been killed in London. One of Mack's associates came on to eulogize him and he went on and on about how strongly Mack opposed George Bush.


80 posted on 10/19/2005 7:54:09 AM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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