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Turin Shroud confirmed as fake
The Daily Telegraph (Australia) ^ | June 22, 2005 | AFP

Posted on 06/22/2005 9:55:20 AM PDT by aculeus

A FRENCH magazine has said it had carried out experiments that proved the Shroud of Turin, believed by some Christians to be their religion's holiest relic, was a fraud.

"A mediaeval technique helped us to make a Shroud," Science & Vie (Science and Life) said in its July issue.

The Shroud is claimed by its defenders to be the cloth in which the body of Jesus Christ was wrapped after his crucifixion.

It bears the faint image of a blood-covered man with holes in his hand and wounds in his body and head, the apparent result of being crucified, stabbed by a Roman spear and forced to wear a crown of thorns.

In 1988, scientists carried out carbon-14 dating of the delicate linen cloth and concluded that the material was made some time between 1260 and 1390. Their study prompted the then archbishop of Turin, where the Shroud is stored, to admit that the garment was a hoax. But the debate sharply revived in January this year.

Drawing on a method previously used by sceptics to attack authenticity claims about the Shroud, the magazine got an artist to do a bas-relief - a sculpture that stands out from the surrounding background - of a Christ-like face.

A scientist then laid out a damp linen sheet over the bas-relief and let it dry, so that the thin cloth was moulded onto the face.

Using cotton wool, he then carefully dabbed ferric oxide, mixed with gelatine, onto the cloth to make blood-like marks. When the cloth was turned inside-out, the reversed marks resulted in the famous image of the crucified Christ.

Gelatine, an animal by-product rich in collagen, was frequently used by Middle Age painters as a fixative to bind pigments to canvas or wood.

The imprinted image turned out to be wash-resistant, impervious to temperatures of 250 C (482 F) and was undamaged by exposure to a range of harsh chemicals, including bisulphite which, without the help of the gelatine, would normally have degraded ferric oxide to the compound ferrous oxide.

The experiments, said the magazine, answer several claims made by the pro-Shroud camp, which says the marks could not have been painted onto the cloth.

AFP


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1 posted on 06/22/2005 9:55:23 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus

Well, that's that.


2 posted on 06/22/2005 9:56:26 AM PDT by G32
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To: aculeus

No, no. I just put a call in to God Himself, and He confirmed the shroud is legitimate. So everyone can just relax.


3 posted on 06/22/2005 9:57:16 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: aculeus
No shock here...the shroud was proved a fake by the Biblical record. It's the catholic church that seems concerned about collecting bones of dead men, splinters of the "true cross" and other pointless relics. None of that has any bearing upon a real relationship with the living God.
4 posted on 06/22/2005 9:58:23 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: aculeus

If the French did it, it must be right!


5 posted on 06/22/2005 10:02:10 AM PDT by Woodworker
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To: aculeus
So its been proven false, until its been proven true, until its been proven false, etc., etc. & etc.

Seems to be as many opnions in this as there are in the evolutionary debates...
6 posted on 06/22/2005 10:03:07 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: highlander_UW
What you say is true. While I am charmed by the notion of Christ's image on a shroud, if one has to depend on material objects to connect to God, then one has missed the point, at least, or does worship idols, at worst.

7 posted on 06/22/2005 10:03:19 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Woodworker

Yeah, those French are trustworthy! (sarcasm)


8 posted on 06/22/2005 10:03:30 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: aculeus

I don't put my faith in relics - those are from the hands of man.


9 posted on 06/22/2005 10:03:44 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: aculeus

So how long until you can buy it on Ebay?


10 posted on 06/22/2005 10:04:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Flush Newsweek!)
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To: aculeus

I don't know whose definition of 'proof' that meets. That being said, it probably isn't the burial cloth of Jesus.


11 posted on 06/22/2005 10:05:21 AM PDT by Flightdeck
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To: aculeus
Turin Shroud confirmed as fake

Fake what?

12 posted on 06/22/2005 10:05:27 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch

As CBS would say, "It's fake but true"


13 posted on 06/22/2005 10:05:51 AM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: aculeus

Yeah, I trust the French on this. Right.


14 posted on 06/22/2005 10:06:05 AM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: aculeus

Oh, well! If the French came to this conclusion, then that settles it. Case closed........../sarc


15 posted on 06/22/2005 10:06:44 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Excrementum Occurum)
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To: highlander_UW
splinters of the "true cross

I think it was Twain that wrote about his visit to the Holy Land; he was accosted to buy "enough splinters of the cross and spikes to build a good size barn."

I paraphrase, but that was the gist of it.

16 posted on 06/22/2005 10:06:53 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81 MM Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: highlander_UW

Don't forget the images of Mary on underpasses.


17 posted on 06/22/2005 10:06:53 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: William Terrell

Like the Quran?


18 posted on 06/22/2005 10:08:12 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: highlander_UW
>>It's the catholic church that seems concerned about collecting bones of dead men, splinters of the "true cross" and other pointless relics. <<


Based upon your snide and insulting remark, you don't like or respect Catholics or the Catholic faith.

Gotcha.

Good bye.
19 posted on 06/22/2005 10:08:36 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: William Terrell
[I]f one has to depend on material objects to connect to God, then one has missed the point, at least, or does worship idols, at worst.
I wasn't aware that Christ's body and blood were immaterial. Live and learn ...
20 posted on 06/22/2005 10:08:54 AM PDT by eastsider
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