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Europe's oldest civilisation
Aether ^ | 11 June 2005 | David Keys

Posted on 06/16/2005 9:32:40 AM PDT by robowombat

Found: Europe's oldest civilisation By David Keys, Archaeology Correspondent 11 June 2005

Archaeologists have discovered Europe's oldest civilisation, a network of dozens of temples, 2,000 years older than Stonehenge and the Pyramids.

More than 150 gigantic monuments have been located beneath the fields and cities of modern-day Germany, Austria and Slovakia. They were built 7,000 years ago, between 4800BC and 4600BC. Their discovery, revealed today by The Independent, will revolutionise the study of prehistoric Europe, where an appetite for monumental architecture was thought to have developed later than in Mesopotamia and Egypt.

In all, more than 150 temples have been identified. Constructed of earth and wood, they had ramparts and palisades that stretched for up to half a mile. They were built by a religious people who lived in communal longhouses up to 50 metres long, grouped around substantial villages. Evidence suggests their economy was based on cattle, sheep, goat and pig farming.

Their civilisation seems to have died out after about 200 years and the recent archaeological discoveries are so new that the temple building culture does not even have a name yet.

Excavations have been taking place over the past few years - and have triggered a re-evaluation of similar, though hitherto mostly undated, complexes identified from aerial photographs throughout central Europe.

Archaeologists are now beginning to suspect that hundreds of these very early monumental religious centres, each up to 150 metres across, were constructed across a 400-mile swath of land in what is now Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and eastern Germany.

The most complex excavated so far - located inside the city of Dresden - consisted of an apparently sacred internal space surrounded by two palisades, three earthen banks and four ditches.

The monuments seem to be a phenomenon associated exclusively with a period of consolidation and growth that followed the initial establishment of farming cultures in the centre of the continent.

It is possible that the newly revealed early Neolithic monument phenomenon was the consequence of an increase in the size of - and competition between - emerging Neolithic tribal or pan-tribal groups, arguably Europe's earliest mini-states.

After a relatively brief period - perhaps just one or two hundred years - either the need or the socio-political ability to build them disappeared, and monuments of this scale were not built again until the Middle Bronze Age, 3,000 years later. Why this monumental culture collapsed is a mystery.

The archaeological investigation into these vast Stone Age temples over the past three years has also revealed several other mysteries. First, each complex was only used for a few generations - perhaps 100 years maximum. Second, the central sacred area was nearly always the same size, about a third of a hectare. Third, each circular enclosure ditch - irrespective of diameter - involved the removal of the same volume of earth. In other words, the builders reduced the depth and/or width of each ditch in inverse proportion to its diameter, so as to always keep volume (and thus time spent) constant .

Archaeologists are speculating that this may have been in order to allow each earthwork to be dug by a set number of special status workers in a set number of days - perhaps to satisfy the ritual requirements of some sort of religious calendar.

The multiple bank, ditch and palisade systems "protecting" the inner space seem not to have been built for defensive purposes - and were instead probably designed to prevent ordinary tribespeople from seeing the sacred and presumably secret rituals which were performed in the "inner sanctum" .

The investigation so far suggests that each religious complex was ritually decommissioned at the end of its life, with the ditches, each of which had been dug successively, being deliberately filled in.

"Our excavations have revealed the degree of monumental vision and sophistication used by these early farming communities to create Europe's first truly large scale earthwork complexes," said the senior archaeologist, Harald Staeuble of the Saxony state government's heritage department, who has been directing the archaeological investigations. Scientific investigations into the recently excavated material are taking place in Dresden.

The people who built the huge circular temples were the descendants of migrants who arrived many centuries earlier from the Danube plain in what is now northern Serbia and Hungary. The temple-builders were pastoralists, controlling large herds of cattle, sheep and goats as well as pigs. They made tools of stone, bone and wood, and small ceramic statues of humans and animals. They manufactured substantial amounts of geometrically decorated pottery, and they lived in large longhouses in substantial villages.

One village complex and temple at Aythra, near Leipzig, covers an area of 25 hectares. Two hundred longhouses have been found there. The population would have been up to 300 people living in a highly organised settlement of 15 to 20 very large communal buildings.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs

1 posted on 06/16/2005 9:32:40 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 06/16/2005 9:34:09 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: robowombat
The most complex excavated so far - located inside the city of Dresden

Could it be possible that it's because of the carpet bombing done in WWII?

3 posted on 06/16/2005 9:36:13 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: robowombat
Wow.

If large-scale building can be pushed back to 7000 years, then a lot of historical revision is necessary. I for one believed the Indic/Vedic civilization was amongst the oldest and most developed of them all. And that only days back some 5000 years at best. This is like 7k years...awesome.
Its also a testimony to how frail civilizations can be, eh? Even, great building ones. Another reason why the west must deliberately defeat the multicultural fetishists pushing an empty secularism, cultural relativism and moral equivalence in an effort to replace judeo-christian values.

And all the while the hosts of Mordor (islamofascists) gather around the walls of Gondor (The Atlantic Alliance)...
4 posted on 06/16/2005 9:38:54 AM PDT by voletti (One Ring to rule them all, one Ring to find them....)
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To: robowombat
It'd be interesting to find out if these people are the ancestors of an existing European culture, or were supplanted by newer arrivals.
5 posted on 06/16/2005 9:46:35 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: robowombat

7000 years old...I wonder if Helen Thomas lived there?


6 posted on 06/16/2005 9:47:03 AM PDT by sierrahome (Colfax, CA; "A Small Drinking Town With A Rail Road Problem.")
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To: inquest
It'd be interesting to find out if these people are the ancestors of an existing European culture, or were supplanted by newer arrivals.

The fact that the most extensive find to date lies within the city of Dresden might lead us to suspect that, at one very early point, the construction was Dresden in its earliest form.

And that people of later periods continued to use the same site for a settlement is evidence that points toward assimilation of or by later arrivals, rather than displacement...although I'm not a scholar of archaeology and could well be mistaken on that point.

7 posted on 06/16/2005 9:52:29 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: sierrahome

No wonder they fled, leaving their monuments behind!


8 posted on 06/16/2005 9:53:31 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sheik yerbouty

Bwahahha


9 posted on 06/16/2005 9:58:12 AM PDT by sierrahome (Colfax, CA; "A Small Drinking Town With A Rail Road Problem.")
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To: Oberon
There are a few cities in the U.S. (Tucson comes to mind) that were at one time Indian villages. So it is possible for a new culture to displace the original inhabitants of a particular settlement. Plus, the same factors that lead people to construct a settlement in a partiuclar area (good rivers, for example) might lead a new group of people to do the same, even after the first settlement had been abandoned.
10 posted on 06/16/2005 10:01:15 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: robowombat

What do they mean, "Europe's Oldest Civilisation"? I didn't know thay had come up with ONE yet..............


11 posted on 06/16/2005 10:04:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (It's not up to the gov't to give you an education. It's up to you to take it from them......)
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To: EternalHope

interesting


12 posted on 06/16/2005 10:04:46 AM PDT by bray (Pray for Iraq's Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: inquest
There are a few cities in the U.S. (Tucson comes to mind) that were at one time Indian villages.

Yes, that's true. I bet, too, that you can probably find Indians living in Tuscon.

It would be wrong of me, however, to claim that Tuscon still somehow represents American Southwest Indian culture...so I guess you're right.

13 posted on 06/16/2005 10:12:14 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: robowombat
Before I completely buy into the interpretation that the walls were not defensive and these sites were religious, I'd like to read more about them. Read Lawrence Keeley's War Before Civilization for some good insight into the bias in archaeology and anthropology to pacify everything. One of Keeley's examples is that he was denied funding to study prehistoric fortifications in Europe until he changed his grant request to call them "enclosures" because the prevailing interpretation was that they were status symbols or elaborate animal pens. He shows a diagram of the arrow heads found at one of the digs, which clearly illustrates the absurdity of those interpretations.
14 posted on 06/16/2005 10:16:48 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: robowombat

self-ping


15 posted on 06/16/2005 12:20:16 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: Question_Assumptions

Mankind's earliest union featherbedding uncovered

Link: Found: Europe's oldest civilisations.

Each circular enclosure ditch - irrespective of diameter - involved the removal of the same volume of earth. In other words, the builders reduced the depth and/or width of each ditch in inverse proportion to its diameter, so as to always keep volume (and thus time spent) constant.

Archaeologists are speculating that this may have been in order to allow each earthwork to be dug by a set number of special status workers in a set number of days.

Two thousand years before the pyramids, there was work-to-rule.

16 posted on 06/16/2005 3:53:31 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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17 posted on 12/03/2005 4:48:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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