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Islam not only religion marred by violence
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 5-26-05 | Tom Regan

Posted on 05/24/2005 7:02:46 PM PDT by SJackson

Organized religion has been, by and large, a positive force in the world. And that's the way we want it to be.

But like the 'Force' in George Lucas's "Star Wars" trilogy, there can be a dark side to the expression of religious belief that can manifest itself in violence, particularly between those who hold differing beliefs about the nature of God or the divine.

Last week conservative columnist Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe looked at this "dark side of the force" as he saw it manifested in recent events. Jacoby asked an important question: why are we so upset with reports that Newsweek printed a short piece about the desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo, but not at the reaction in Afghanistan that led to the deaths of at least 16 people?

It's hard for those of us in the West to understand how the alleged mistreatment of a book, even a very holy book, could possibly upser people so much as to cause the deaths of so many people.

(Then again, both Afghanistan president Harmid Karzai and General Richard Myers, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of staff, denied the riots had been prompted by the Newsweek article, calling them instead “a political act against Afghanistan's stability.” Karzai said Monday that "we know who did this" and it wasn't connected to the Koran article.)

But then Jacoby writes that this kind of reaction to a perceived slight is one reason why Muslims are so disrespected in the West - violence, it seems to Jacoby, is second nature to Muslims and to Islam, but not to other religions.

Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted. They don't call for holy war and riot in the streets. It would be unthinkable for a mainstream priest, rabbi, or lama to demand that a blasphemer be slain.

The above paragraph makes an interesting point. There's only one problem with it - it's wrong.

Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't "lash out in homocidal rage when their religion is insulted"? Would that it were so.

Unfortunately, even a cursury scan of the headlines from the past few years, or even this past week, shows how wrong it is.

Shall we talk about the religious leaders in Israel who have threatened violence and riots, and perhaps worse, to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his supporters, if he goes ahead with his disengagement plan?

These religious leaders believe they have a 'God-given right' to the Gaza (and the West Bank), and have inspired their followers with the same belief. By defending the settlements through force and threats, they are carrying out God's will.

Let's not forget that one Israeli leader has already died at the hands of a Jewish religious zealot, who believed in 1995 that there was "a religious commandment" to kill Yitzhak Rabin.

No Christian violence? Ignoring the whole decades-long situation in Northern Ireland, there are many other examples.

It was Christian militias who murdered hundreds of people in the Lebanese refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in 1982, and it was Serbian Christians who murdered 20,000 Muslims in 1995.

The Associated Press reports that "Members of the Pentecostal religious community in the former Soviet republic of Georgia have been harassed and beaten this month" by members of the the country's dominant Orthodox Christian faith. The attacks, the report noted, had been taking place for years.

The recent Terri Schiavo controversy is chock-a-block with incidents where Christian religious leaders encouraged their followers to react in a manner that was often violent. Michael Schiavo and his family, as well as the Republican judge who ruled against Terri's family, have all received numerous death threats from Christians.

Schiavo himself is still in hiding, after being "Salman Rushdie'd" by the religious right in America.

And we all know how Republican House leader Tom DeLay made a not-so-veiled threat that these judges would get what was coming to them. He later said he "regretted the remark but not the sentiment." And there have been similar provocative remarks by other Christian right leaders.

And what about Christian preachers who say, quite publicly, it's OK to kill abortion providers or the people who work for them?

And Buddism? Many in North American see Buddhism personified in the presence of the Dalai Lama. But in Buddhist countries like Sri Lanka, and Thailand, violence against religious minorities is a serious problem.

In Sri Lanka, thousands of people have died in clashed between the Tamil Tigers, who are Hindu, and the Buddhist government. Catholic churches have been attacked as well. And the Thai government has come under heavy criticism for its treatment of its Muslim minority.

And let us not forget Arum Shinrikyo, the Buddhist-inspired Japanese cult that carried out one of the worst acts of pre-9/11 terrorism the world had seen.

I could give you countless other examples of religious violence of the kind Jacoby ascribes to the Muslim world being committed by non-Muslim religious groups. But for me, the more important question is why is there religious violence at all.

The best answer I've seen so far was something I found at Belief.net - an interview with Charles Kimball, a religion professor at Wake Forest University who was director of the Middle East Office at the National Council of Churches from 1983-90.

Kimball says there are several factors that can lead followers of a religious tradition to violence "that contradicts what’s at the very heart of their religious tradition":

* A belief that only they know what God wants.

* Blind obedience to a leader- "When people become so convinced of a particular person or charismatic leader that they blindly will follow that person."

* The end justifies the means. Kimball says this is one of the "scariest" notions of all.

The problem is when people become convinced they know the route to the peaceable kingdom and they are God’s agents to make it happen. And here is where you get groups of extremist Jews whose messianic mission leads them to tunnel under the Dome of the Rock and try to blow it up in order to facilitate the building of the Third Temple. Or Christian fundamentalist groups who long for Armageddon to the point that they will support violent extremists trying to destroy the Dome of the Rock.

The behaviors outlined by Kimball are not just found in Islam. They can be demonstrated by all religious groups, as we have seen above.

And that's why, once again, I again find myself marveling at the wisdom of America's founding fathers when it came to religion. Their creation of a safeguard against this happening - by basically putting all religion on an equal footing, and saying no one religion would be the 'official' religion of America - is the reason we've largely been able to avoid this kind of religious violence.

And while it's right to decry any violence in the name of religion, as Jacoby did, it's wrong to say only one religion has a problem in that way. To do otherwise only serves to prevent us from stopping all religious violence, and keeps us from focusing on the messages of hope, justice and meaning that all religions contain at their cores.


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To: SJackson
And here is where you get groups of extremist Jews whose messianic mission leads them to tunnel under the Dome of the Rock and try to blow it up in order to facilitate the building of the Third Temple. Or Christian fundamentalist groups who long for Armageddon to the point that they will support violent extremists trying to destroy the Dome of the Rock.

Oh hell yes, you can find those extremist Jews with their lighted miners helmets and pick axes all over Jerusalem, except when they're out ramming hijacked airplanes !into buildings.

Of course you might not notice them because of all the Christian fundies spray-painting "666" on the Western Wall while wearing those "The End is Near! Repent, You Sinners!" signs. Of course, the fundie Christians also take time out for other activities, they blow up innocent children and then dance in the street celebrating the great victory.

Sheesh, Tom Regan is so out of touch with reality that he can't even see that all the world's terrorist activities today are done in the name of one religion only.

21 posted on 05/24/2005 7:41:05 PM PDT by xJones
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To: SJackson
Lets not forget the greatest irony in this article...

That atheistic communism has killed more people than any other religon has ever come close to!
22 posted on 05/24/2005 8:01:40 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: King Prout

I like that. Bookmarked.


23 posted on 05/24/2005 8:05:14 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
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To: SJackson

A serious lack of discrimination from Mr. Regan. Whatever the Christian camp's faults, they are in contradiction to the teachings of its Leader. Whatever Islam's faults, they are consistant with those of its leader and its history from its very beginning.

Moral equivalency is the name of the political correctness game, and this piece is a prime example of using rare exceptions to suppress the overall truth.


24 posted on 05/24/2005 8:07:37 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: SJackson

Why do these people call themselves the CHRISTIAN Science Monitor? Are they being sarcastic? They are as anti-religion as any magazine I have ever seen.


25 posted on 05/24/2005 8:09:53 PM PDT by darkmatter (Let them hate. As long as they fear. -Julius Caesar)
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To: SJackson

I see what he's trying to say, but somehow the numbers just don't add up. By the way, those 20,000 Muslims that were killed who was it that stopped the Serbians from killing thousnads more?


26 posted on 05/24/2005 8:17:27 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: SJackson

Don't get me started on atheism's record of violance and mass murder.


27 posted on 05/24/2005 8:19:04 PM PDT by JCEccles (Andrea Dworkin--the Ward Churchill of gender politics.)
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To: SJackson

They should rename themselves the Anti-Christian Science Monitor.


28 posted on 05/24/2005 8:21:53 PM PDT by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: SJackson

What lying crap this article is. This is the pathetic crap that most people are fooled to believe, that each religion is as violent as the next. The examples cited from Israel are pathetic, most have not come to fruition and are just talk. While Muslim Paleostinians have used terrorism for years against the Jews.

Thank G_D the separation fence and the IDF have stooped the intifada and it's suicide bombers. Probably this lousy Christian Science Monitor was opposed to that too.


29 posted on 05/24/2005 8:25:13 PM PDT by dennisw (He writes everything's been returned which was owed...)
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To: FreedomPoster

glad you like it.

I'm an uncommitted agnostic, but even one such as myself can easily see that Christianity is vastly morally superior to Islam.


30 posted on 05/24/2005 8:27:03 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout

Well written!


31 posted on 05/24/2005 8:27:24 PM PDT by dennisw (He writes everything's been returned which was owed...)
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To: struggle
"That atheistic communism has killed more people than any other religon has ever come close to!"

That is true. But it's not very good company to keep( being lumped together with them).

I agree with the article (no suprise). I'm not suprised that people would vehemently deny it. That is to be expected considering.

32 posted on 05/24/2005 8:27:25 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: dennisw

thank you as well.


33 posted on 05/24/2005 8:28:10 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout

Isn't it amazing how this author can equate the violence and terrorism of other religions with that of Islam? There is no comparison as to the number of those killed and terrorized by Muhammadans. The best example he comes up with is Serbs killing Muslims in great numbers in Bosnia. The other examples are puny compared with Islamic blood letting and barbarism

Muhammad was the first Muslim terrorist. Muhammadans have emulated his life, his "example", as their Koran commands them.


34 posted on 05/24/2005 8:34:15 PM PDT by dennisw (He writes everything's been returned which was owed...)
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To: TapTap

please see post # 11.


35 posted on 05/24/2005 8:38:19 PM PDT by dervish
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To: SJackson
Gee, let's see what's wrong with the premise of this article... I'm only going to post one of many problems.

The idea that there are "Jewish leaders" who support genocide or violence. That's correct. There are. However, the major difference is that every, and I mean EVERY arab country publicly supports the murder of Israeli civilians, and supports the terrorists. While it may only be tacit support, as can be seen in the state run media, for example, in Jordon or Egypt, to outright calls for the murder of Jews.

On the other hand, every major, and most minor sects of Judaism have leaders who have responded with outrage against any sort of attacks on civilians, or plans that are mentioned in this article. In addition to the public outcry of the religious leaders, the political leadership in Israel has also publicly condemned such actions, and uses internal security and intelligence assets to track down and stop these incidents before they occur. It doesn't always work, and then you see the public outcry of the Israelis against such acts.

I've NEVER seen anything like that in the arab world.

Mark

36 posted on 05/24/2005 8:41:51 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: dennisw

everyone in America should be required to actually READ the Koran before spouting the PC "5 Pillars" pre-Medina taqiyah they've been marinated in.


37 posted on 05/24/2005 8:42:30 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout
I won't disagree that the teachings of Christianity are less violent than Islam, but the fact that they prescribe to the Old Testament pretty much says that they are ok with some forms of mass murder for God.

The only problem I have with Christianity on this subject is the whole, "My God's gonna kick your butt eternally if you don't believe," theme. This is the God that is so smart and knows everything...including the heart of man....who couldn't figure out that using that type of language *might* incite some of his followers to beat him to the punch. D'oh!

However, I've always found this passage interesting: Matthew 18:6 Tell me Jesus didn't think that someone wouldn't hear/read that and think that they are justified in protecting Christians. Nah.....of course not!

38 posted on 05/24/2005 8:47:24 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: TNdandelion
You can also add the next few verses if you want. The whole plucking out your eye, cutting off your hand, to avoid sinning and going to hell bit.

I've always been told that it's not literal. I guess it's a good thing noone has ever misinterpreted the Bible. Whew!

39 posted on 05/24/2005 8:51:43 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: SJackson

...more Buchanan-speak from the Christian Science Monitor. I wonder as to when the CSM will come completely out of the closet as what it is.


40 posted on 05/24/2005 8:53:48 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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