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Islam not only religion marred by violence
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 5-26-05 | Tom Regan

Posted on 05/24/2005 7:02:46 PM PDT by SJackson

Organized religion has been, by and large, a positive force in the world. And that's the way we want it to be.

But like the 'Force' in George Lucas's "Star Wars" trilogy, there can be a dark side to the expression of religious belief that can manifest itself in violence, particularly between those who hold differing beliefs about the nature of God or the divine.

Last week conservative columnist Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe looked at this "dark side of the force" as he saw it manifested in recent events. Jacoby asked an important question: why are we so upset with reports that Newsweek printed a short piece about the desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo, but not at the reaction in Afghanistan that led to the deaths of at least 16 people?

It's hard for those of us in the West to understand how the alleged mistreatment of a book, even a very holy book, could possibly upser people so much as to cause the deaths of so many people.

(Then again, both Afghanistan president Harmid Karzai and General Richard Myers, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of staff, denied the riots had been prompted by the Newsweek article, calling them instead “a political act against Afghanistan's stability.” Karzai said Monday that "we know who did this" and it wasn't connected to the Koran article.)

But then Jacoby writes that this kind of reaction to a perceived slight is one reason why Muslims are so disrespected in the West - violence, it seems to Jacoby, is second nature to Muslims and to Islam, but not to other religions.

Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted. They don't call for holy war and riot in the streets. It would be unthinkable for a mainstream priest, rabbi, or lama to demand that a blasphemer be slain.

The above paragraph makes an interesting point. There's only one problem with it - it's wrong.

Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't "lash out in homocidal rage when their religion is insulted"? Would that it were so.

Unfortunately, even a cursury scan of the headlines from the past few years, or even this past week, shows how wrong it is.

Shall we talk about the religious leaders in Israel who have threatened violence and riots, and perhaps worse, to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his supporters, if he goes ahead with his disengagement plan?

These religious leaders believe they have a 'God-given right' to the Gaza (and the West Bank), and have inspired their followers with the same belief. By defending the settlements through force and threats, they are carrying out God's will.

Let's not forget that one Israeli leader has already died at the hands of a Jewish religious zealot, who believed in 1995 that there was "a religious commandment" to kill Yitzhak Rabin.

No Christian violence? Ignoring the whole decades-long situation in Northern Ireland, there are many other examples.

It was Christian militias who murdered hundreds of people in the Lebanese refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in 1982, and it was Serbian Christians who murdered 20,000 Muslims in 1995.

The Associated Press reports that "Members of the Pentecostal religious community in the former Soviet republic of Georgia have been harassed and beaten this month" by members of the the country's dominant Orthodox Christian faith. The attacks, the report noted, had been taking place for years.

The recent Terri Schiavo controversy is chock-a-block with incidents where Christian religious leaders encouraged their followers to react in a manner that was often violent. Michael Schiavo and his family, as well as the Republican judge who ruled against Terri's family, have all received numerous death threats from Christians.

Schiavo himself is still in hiding, after being "Salman Rushdie'd" by the religious right in America.

And we all know how Republican House leader Tom DeLay made a not-so-veiled threat that these judges would get what was coming to them. He later said he "regretted the remark but not the sentiment." And there have been similar provocative remarks by other Christian right leaders.

And what about Christian preachers who say, quite publicly, it's OK to kill abortion providers or the people who work for them?

And Buddism? Many in North American see Buddhism personified in the presence of the Dalai Lama. But in Buddhist countries like Sri Lanka, and Thailand, violence against religious minorities is a serious problem.

In Sri Lanka, thousands of people have died in clashed between the Tamil Tigers, who are Hindu, and the Buddhist government. Catholic churches have been attacked as well. And the Thai government has come under heavy criticism for its treatment of its Muslim minority.

And let us not forget Arum Shinrikyo, the Buddhist-inspired Japanese cult that carried out one of the worst acts of pre-9/11 terrorism the world had seen.

I could give you countless other examples of religious violence of the kind Jacoby ascribes to the Muslim world being committed by non-Muslim religious groups. But for me, the more important question is why is there religious violence at all.

The best answer I've seen so far was something I found at Belief.net - an interview with Charles Kimball, a religion professor at Wake Forest University who was director of the Middle East Office at the National Council of Churches from 1983-90.

Kimball says there are several factors that can lead followers of a religious tradition to violence "that contradicts what’s at the very heart of their religious tradition":

* A belief that only they know what God wants.

* Blind obedience to a leader- "When people become so convinced of a particular person or charismatic leader that they blindly will follow that person."

* The end justifies the means. Kimball says this is one of the "scariest" notions of all.

The problem is when people become convinced they know the route to the peaceable kingdom and they are God’s agents to make it happen. And here is where you get groups of extremist Jews whose messianic mission leads them to tunnel under the Dome of the Rock and try to blow it up in order to facilitate the building of the Third Temple. Or Christian fundamentalist groups who long for Armageddon to the point that they will support violent extremists trying to destroy the Dome of the Rock.

The behaviors outlined by Kimball are not just found in Islam. They can be demonstrated by all religious groups, as we have seen above.

And that's why, once again, I again find myself marveling at the wisdom of America's founding fathers when it came to religion. Their creation of a safeguard against this happening - by basically putting all religion on an equal footing, and saying no one religion would be the 'official' religion of America - is the reason we've largely been able to avoid this kind of religious violence.

And while it's right to decry any violence in the name of religion, as Jacoby did, it's wrong to say only one religion has a problem in that way. To do otherwise only serves to prevent us from stopping all religious violence, and keeps us from focusing on the messages of hope, justice and meaning that all religions contain at their cores.


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1 posted on 05/24/2005 7:02:46 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

The author suffered oxygen deprivation as a young monitor. Be careful how you handle them, some grow up and learn how the write.


2 posted on 05/24/2005 7:04:30 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: SJackson

Geeze, a piece slamming Christianity coming from a liberal, supposedly Christian magazine. Who'd'a thunk it? /sarc


3 posted on 05/24/2005 7:06:08 PM PDT by Bombardier (Islam isn't a religion, it's a perversion.)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; adam_az; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; ...
I just love how he links to "objective sources" like the Guardian, Haaretz, and Electronicintifada.

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel ping list.

WARNING: This is a high volume ping list

4 posted on 05/24/2005 7:10:06 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: SJackson

Somehow I doubt that all the "religion induced" death comes close to athiest-inspired killing.
Not making excuses for unChristian behavior, just making a point.
The fallen nature of man coupled with Satan is responsible for the evil perpetrated in the name of religion.


5 posted on 05/24/2005 7:12:31 PM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: Bombardier; SJackson

Jeff Jacoby is, I believe, the only orthodox Jew writing a regular column for a major daily newspaper. Which does not excuse his wimpy liberal 'moral equivalence' falsehoods here, LOL.


6 posted on 05/24/2005 7:13:30 PM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: SJackson

Not to mention washington-report.org, a Saudi-funded pro-jihad rag.

Gosh, Tom really did his homework.


7 posted on 05/24/2005 7:13:39 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: SJackson
The writer confounds criticism with threats of violence, and that's only the beginning. He also clearly identifies himself as an anti-semite.

If I didn't know better I'd think he was trying to stir up sectarian violence.

8 posted on 05/24/2005 7:13:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SJackson

The author has made the fallacious assumption that islam is a religion..it is not. Mohamed's objective was conquest - political and economic - Islam is an ideology...one that shares so much violence with its wicked first cousin - Communism.

After all, if Mohamed were simply interested in in monotheism for idol -worshiping desert rats of the time he would have been content to adopt the religion of monotheism of the Jews...he did not because it was not about religion.


9 posted on 05/24/2005 7:15:00 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Bombardier

Coming from the same paper that opined that the filibuster deal would launch McCain as the GOP Presidential nominee.


10 posted on 05/24/2005 7:16:15 PM PDT by Guillermo (Bush is no conservative. Don't insult my intelligence by telling me that he is)
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To: hlmencken3
Jacoby didn't write this. The author is commenting on an article of Jacoby's, linked above, which criticizes Islam for it's violent reaction to the Koran incident.

Speaking of the Koran incident, you might find Newsweek's explanation to the Arab press interesting. Not a denial, just a we can't prove it didn't happen.

Al-Jazeera Interviews Newsweek Washington Bureau Chief on Allegations of Koran Desecration

11 posted on 05/24/2005 7:17:09 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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They are tunneling under the Temple Mount? I would love to sift through the debris field! Some real treasures there I imagine!

Man, I think this guy is smoking something.
12 posted on 05/24/2005 7:17:35 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SJackson

from my archives (old, but still useful):



oh, joy: yet another round of the moral-equivalency tango.

Christianity and Islam are not significantly different in their holy texts, eh?

OK, try this on for size:
You tried to equate Christianity with Islam. This is why I ask you to find even one passage, relating to religion and treatment of others, which fulfills the following requirements:

1. in the "catholic" post-Nicaea Christian testament (but I'll gladly throw it open to the Jewish book)
2. a literal...
3. plain-text...
4. indisputable...
5. ongoing present-tense (as opposed to a one-shot past-tense record of history/folklore - ie: Joshua)...
6. commandment from God (not a pope or a bishop or some >a-hem!< televangelist)...
7. as a directive to the believer to take literally and actively in the temporal realm
8. to do any or all of the following:
-a. to slay the heretic and non-believer,
-b. to forcibly convert the heretic and non-believer,
-c. to enslave the heretic and non-believer,
-d. to persecute the heretic and non-believer,
-e. to wage holy war upon the heretic and non-believer
9. Directly analogous to the dozens thereof in the Koran.

(so you know, things like II Thessalonians 1:8,9 don't count - that is God kicking ass, not his faithful doing so for him. An important distinction equivocators seem to like to sweep under the rug.)

Now, turnabout:
Find JUST ONE passage in either the Koran or the Sunnah which is the direct analogue of the Parable of the Samaritan, or the directive to the witness to leave an unbeliever in peace - to "knock the dust of his home from their soles as they leave" - rather than butcher him in zealous fury, or to the believer contained in I Cor 7:12-17, or I Cor 10:32, or II Cor 6:14-18, or Ephesians 6:10-12, or... do you get the point?
Find JUST ONE comparable passage in the Koran or the Sunnah.
Good luck - I have been looking for over a year and have not found any such analogues.

As to my tagline - you are incorrect. It is only recently that they have enough wealth to acquire sufficient numbers and weapons and mobility to be able to significantly annoy us. They have been trying to do so since the inception of this odious creed.

Which brings us to the one-line statement of my support for the current military action in the Middle East:
"This is the latest round of World War Zero, and I am all for taking the battle to the aggressors' home turf and at long last defeating them permanently." It's an oversimplification of my stance, and of the issues, but it serves as the skeleton for both.


13 posted on 05/24/2005 7:18:02 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: eleni121
BTW, according to what we know of Mohammad, which is unfortunately entirely from Islamic sources, he sought to reform Judaism as it was practiced in that region of the world.

As far as "conquest" is concerned, the Arab Empire did not start forming until after Mohammad's death. We have absolutely no idea what he would have thought of the Islamic Caliphate ~ his own thoughts recorded in the Koran (in the non-revelatory chapters) pretty much reflect a small-town point of view on matters.

He'd gotten lost crossing the street in Modern Cairo or Baghdad FUR SHUR.

14 posted on 05/24/2005 7:18:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bombardier
Geeze, a piece slamming Christianity coming from a liberal, supposedly Christian magazine.

Slamming Islam takes more balls than the libbies have.

Much easier to denegrade a religion that won't cut your head off if you dare say anything about it.

15 posted on 05/24/2005 7:18:33 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: redgolum
They are tunneling under the Temple Mount? I would love to sift through the debris field! Some real treasures there I imagine!

So would a great many Israeli archaeologists. They've made some great finds at the Wakf's trash dump. If the author can find the tunnel, maybe he'll invite some professionals to visit with him.

16 posted on 05/24/2005 7:19:40 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: SJackson
...why are we so upset with reports that Newsweek printed a short piece about the desecration of the Koran at Guantanamo, but not at the reaction in Afghanistan that led to the deaths of at least 16 people?

We ARE upset at the reaction of the Muslim street, especially so since Muslims have desecrated every holy place they claim as their own.

17 posted on 05/24/2005 7:31:48 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: SJackson
But like the 'Force' in George Lucas's "Star Wars" trilogy, there can be a dark side to the expression of religious belief that can manifest itself in violence, particularly between those who hold differing beliefs about the nature of God or the divine.

I hope I don't offend anyone's religious sensibilities by pointing this out, but the "Force" thing in the Star Wars movies? That's made up. And that stuff about the emperor executing all the evil (relativistically speaking) Jedi? That's made up too. Sorry to break it to you.

Just in case Jacobi didn't know...

18 posted on 05/24/2005 7:32:47 PM PDT by TapTap (</Judicial Tyranny>)
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To: Bombardier

Premise:

"Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted."

Which the writer does nothing to disprove by siting riots and violence for other reasons religious or religious tinged but are not fueled by outsiders insulting the religion.


19 posted on 05/24/2005 7:36:12 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: TapTap

Now that we all agree that many religions are involved in violence. Let's get on with the business of destroying our enemies.


20 posted on 05/24/2005 7:36:18 PM PDT by ReadyNow
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