"What'sa matta, Mohamed, did I show a little too much thigh?"
Posted on 04/23/2005 1:20:30 PM PDT by quidnunc
A Muslim sheik told followers at a public meeting in Bankstown that women who were raped had incited men's lust by dressing immodestly and only had themselves to blame.
Sydney-born Sheik Faiz Mohamad, 34, a former boxer who teaches at the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool, made the comments during a lecture for more than 1000 people at Bankstown Town Hall.
The Sun-Herald has a recording of the March 18 speech in which Sheik Faiz said: "A victim of rape every minute somewhere in the world. Why? No one to blame but herself. She displayed her beauty to the entire world …
"Strapless, backless, sleeveless, nothing but satanic skirts, slit skirts, translucent blouses, miniskirts, tight jeans: all this to tease man and appeal to his carnal nature."
He compared a woman dressed in such a way to a sheep. "Would you put this sheep that you adore in the middle of hungry wolves? No … It would be devoured. It's the same situation here. You're putting this precious girl in front of lustful, satanic eyes of hungry wolves. What is the consequence? Catastrophic devastation, sexual harassment, perversion, promiscuity."
The invitation to the $15-a-head lecture stipulated modest dress and "strict male and female segregation". It was promoted as a lecture about "death" in flyers and on the website of the ICRA Youth Centre in Lidcombe, an Islamic community group which sponsored the evening.
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Why were they raped then if they were not showing anything? They were raped for the same reason they are raped today. Rape is a power trip for the men who do it, and muslim mentality says they own any woman and can do what they wish with them and to prove it they rape them.
Rape is the fault of the perp and not the victim.
Are you sure about that? I live in Florida and hadn't heard about this.
I stand corrected. The low-riding pants bill was in Virginia.
http://www.charlottesvillenewsplex.tv/news/headlines/1464682.html
"We live in a society that is loose even by the cultural standards of just 15 years ago. Although we learn self-control and live with immodest dress all around us, it is still pushed beyond what it should be in society..."
Your disgust with current fashion in the US is one issue.
A muslim cleric attempting to justify the incidence of pack-rapes in Australia by accusing Australian women of inciting men's lust with 'Satanic Dress' is another issue entirely.
Frankly, I must tell you I see no reason for a young female to be raped repeatedly by a gang of muslim youth even if she went shopping in a bikini! We do that, in Byron Bay and Surfers Paradise, on Hamilton Island, in Darwin and Broome, where it's very hot.
You are blaming the victim. That is exactly what the muslim cleric is doing.
Not at all. I was just wanting to clarify my point that when I agree that many young women dress like tarts these days, it in no way validates what the evil rapist did or what the lunatic shiek espouses. You're right, of course, the crazy shiek brought it up.
Happens on French beaches all the time (the secretaries in our office there (south of France) used to laugh about it) .....although I never heard that they were Muslims just your common, everyday, French male.
May I ask, are they engaged? Do they have wedding plans in the future?
If not, I'm curious how you feel about dating? Two people in a relationship that looks every bit like marriage, (without sex) with no intentions of getting married. Do you find a biblical support for this type of relationship?
She dresses attractively, but not provocatively.
The apostle Paul writes to Timothy that women should be shame-faced in appearance. The idea is that if a woman for some reason was looked at, she in turn would look away and not attract attention to herself.
Where do support attractive-ness in the bible?
I'm not saying that women should wear burlap, but there is this word, "attractive" that is contrary to biblical women. Christian women should not attract attention.
Your thoughts?
Good Morning Infedels!!! Works for me........
The essence of that bastardized "religion" is no more than control of the many by the force of a few.
Wherever is the wisdom of the ancients?
How in the heck do you think any of my words "blame the victim?"
You obviously have not read my prior posts.
If you believe such, please pull together the sentences that support your accusation, Fred, because I believe I have maintained that any and every offense is wrong.
Fred, I do believe we can do things that compromise our ability to be respected by others. Heck, we can even just go into a bad part of town and start randomly insulting people as an experiment. How about you go do that and see how long you last to prove my point? You likely will find that someone will choose to stop respecting the law and kick your butt. Who's to blame? He is. But you placed yourself into an environment with people whom you should not have trusted to handle themselves well.
It's that simple. If you can't see the logic in any of the points I've stated on this, you need some help.
Enough said.
Hypocrisy rsises it's ugly head, everywhere one looks...
I don't mind you asking.
They have plans for the future. She has a promise ring, which I understand is the step before engagement.
By dressing in an attractive manner, I do not mean that she actually dresses to draw the attention of males. She does that with her face, as she is quite pretty. They are just attracted to her. There is not much she can do about that, but she doesn't lead anyone on.
I, personally, am not a fan of dating. I bought a good book entitled "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" which she read. When they were doing the sex ed courses at her CHRISTIAN high school, I was not happy with it at all. I got the approval for her to, on her time, watch the three videos on finding true love by Joshua Harris (author of the book as well). She wrote up a report on these.
Her boyfriend (for lack of a better term)and her were friends at school for a long time. He never asked her (or anyone else)out because he never intended to just date. Dating was for when you are seeking someone and would most likely be planning on marrying.
Currently, her boyfriend and her are reading "When Boy Meets Girl" by Joshua Harris, together. They read a number of good books together and attend church together and seem to be on a very healthy path. This is my prayer, but I am not naive. In this day and age, things happen.
Please explain "shame-faced" to me. I'm not sure I totally understand this, and have not read those words before. Does it merely mean shy, or bashful?
what's with the belly and the butt crack showing, and way low cut tops. -- On girls of 8 - 10 years of age! let alone girls in their teens?
ASK THEIR PARENTS!!!
I meant the latter but either could be constructive.
Kudos to your daughter and her boyfriend.
I have "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" and in general, agree with it. Basically, for those who do not know, it describes old-fashioned courting behavior in light of how it can glorify God. There's a chapter on or right after page 100 that actually meant the most to me (it concerned how Christ covers our sins with His blood).
To be fair, it is written so simply it would be difficult to recommend to most adults save for sharing the basic premise.
It is from I Tim 2:9 The actual word is Shamefacedness
Strong's uses the word bashful, but clarifies with the word, modesty. BTW - What does the word bashful mean? I've always took it to mean shy, but shy does not really seem applicable.
My understanding is that Christian women should not attract attention by their outward appearance, but rather be attractive by they're inward beauty. Again, I'm not suggesting burlap, but an appearance that would not draw attention outwardly.
We (my wife and I) have friends that are mennonite & amish. I find that the simplicity of these women is far more beautiful then what passes for modesty or beauty in the mainstream church and yet it is not attractive, in a bad way, as one usually finds in the mainstream church.
The reality: Gang Rapist told age, culture no defence:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/1078117369690.html
Three Pakistani gang rapists who are facing life in jail yesterday begged a judge to be pardoned, citing cultural differences that led to the brutal attack, immaturity on their part and hardship within their families if they were imprisoned.
But Supreme Court Justice Brian Sully said "culture or no culture", a strong message needed to be sent to other young men that such horrific sex crimes against women will not be tolerated in modern society.
Andrew Haesler, for one of the defendants, known as MMK, 17, said his client was immature and had lived in Australia for two years without the "restrictive boundaries" in his home country.
But Justice Sully said the crime could not be passed off as a "youthful indiscretion that has somehow gone wrong".
"Sixteen or not, what he did is absolutely repellent behaviour, and it's adult-type behaviour," he said. "It has to be established once and for all that culture or no culture, wherever he came from, however old you are, this cannot be tolerated in modern society."
Five males, four of whom are brothers, were found guilty last year of nine counts of aggravated sexual assault in company - which carries a maximum life sentence - on two girls, aged 16 and 17, at the brothers' Ashfield family home on July 28, 2002.
The girls were repeatedly raped, threatened with knives and bullets and one was told the other had been killed because she had resisted her attackers. None of the men can be named because the younger brothers, MMK and MRK, 18, were minors at the time. Another man, known as RS, is 25.
Two of the men, known as MSK, 25, and MAK, 23, sobbed openly in court, maintaining their innocence and begging for "another chance".
The brothers are representing themselves because they believe an anti-Muslim conspiracy has prevented a fair hearing. Their father, a practising doctor, told the court they should be pardoned because they "did not know the culture of this country".
Justice Sully said the victims' impact statements had greatly affected him: "I have not heard . . . anything like it . . . something proper needs to be done to get the message out to the adolescents and teenagers."
The men are the first to be convicted of the new offence of aggravated sexual assault in company, which carries a maximum life penalty
From the article:
"A Muslim sheik told followers at a public meeting in Bankstown that women who were raped had incited men's lust by dressing immodestly and only had themselves to blame."
Your position:
Fred, I do believe we can do things that compromise our ability to be respected by others. Heck, we can even just go into a bad part of town and start randomly insulting people as an experiment. How about you go do that and see how long you last to prove my point? You likely will find that someone will choose to stop respecting the law and kick your butt. Who's to blame? He is. But you placed yourself into an environment with people whom you should not have trusted to handle themselves well.
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