Skip to comments.Theresa Marie Schindler... May Daily Thread 2005 CALL TO ACTION: Our Fight for Justice Continues
Posted on 04/03/2005 5:19:05 PM PDT by floriduh voter
Freeper friends, Terri's Memorial Service is this coming Tuesday night in Gulfport, Florida. Please check and see if www.baynews9.com will carry it on the internet.
I'm still sad and in disbelief that the rescue fell apart. It was on it's way. We were waiting there for ambulances but instead two Sheriff's cruisers arrived.
There's much work to do. There are many work groups here carrying on for Terri.
The April Daily Thread as before will be a meeting place, a news digest and even in the midst of sorrow, a place to make friends.
I want to thank everyone who did everything humanly possible for Terri and her family. Terri's safe now from a room with the blinds closed, strange people and armed guards. She'd still be here if it wasn't for judicial despots who it appears have never read the Declaration of Independence or the U.S. or Florida Constitution.
Freepers, Republicans and Democrats alike voted against Terri or didn't do enough to save her from Judge Greer.
I'd like to thank Ralph Nader, David Boies, Joe Lieberman and Wesley Smith, Phd, author of Forced Exit.
I have disdain for the Naughty Nine Republicans in the Florida Senate who vote "No" which barred Terri from legislative relief. The GOP House Members who voted "No" on Terri, shame on them too.
WHAT EXACTLY IS THE AGENDA AND WHO IS IN CHARGE? I'm afraid that Judge George Greer is in charge - of everything.
PLEASE HELP FLORIDA... CALL YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN.
HELP US. We feel stranded by tyranny today, but Florida is ripe for change. We will demand it together as Americans.
Schiavo Case Spurring Statehouse Debate
Sunday, April 3, 2005
The arguments surrounding Terri Schiavo will live on in statehouse debate and new laws if an emerging coalition of disability rights activists and right-to-lifers succeed in turning the national agony over her case into a re-examination of when and how our lives come to an end.
So far, only a few legislators in a handful of states have sought significant changes to their laws, which define the fundamental elements at stake - how a person can set limits on their medical care, who gets to decide what their wishes are, what evidence is needed to prove it.
None have yet become law and the chances for most, if not all, are slim this year, with some legislatures finished and many far along in their work for this session. But both Republicans and Democrats say the arguments aren't going away.
The debate is an effort to strike a new balance between one stance that argues that medical care and morality mean life must be pursued in nearly all cases, and another stance, crafted over decades of changing views about death, that some may choose to end drastically damaged lives that depend on artificial means.
"I really wanted to make sure we gave a default for life and not for death," said Kansas state Rep. Mary Pilcher-Cook, a Republican who helped revive a measure that would give courts a greater chance to review decisions to end life-sustaining care, lessening the role of guardians or doctors. "Our most vulnerable citizens are in fact in the most danger of losing their life without any recourse."
She was joined in her effort by disability activists, many aligned with liberal causes, and Democrats in the state House. The measure stalled in the Kansas Senate, however, as the session ended for the year last Friday.
"We don't want to get into the politics of the right or the left or whomever," said Michael Donnelly at the Disability Rights Center of Kansas. "This isn't about politics, this is about how we value or don't value the lives people with disabilities have."
His group had been working for years to revisit the issue, and came together with several conservative legislators to move the bill forward. Elsewhere, the National Right to Life Committee has produced model legislation and is working with legislators in several states.
Legislation has also been introduced in Alabama, Hawaii, Louisiana, Minnesota and South Dakota. The Louisiana bill is called the "Human Dignity Act"; Alabama's is the "Starvation and Dehydration Prevention Act."
Many measures predate recent weeks of attention to Schiavo, though some drew their inspiration directly from the agonized public debate over the 41-year-old woman's death - like one in Missouri introduced last Thursday, the day Schiavo died.
"I was gripped by what I was watching and couldn't believe the state of Florida would let this woman die in this manner," said GOP state Rep. Cynthia Davis. Her bill would bar anyone from directing that artificially supplied food and water be withheld or withdrawn without a specific written directive from the patient.
There's also a slew of legislation around living wills and other end-of-life issues that wouldn't further the aims of this emerging group - like a Nevada measure that would let a guardian end life-sustaining measures even if it's against a patient's known wishes, as long as it's in their best interests.
The views of medical care and ending life have shifted over the past 30 years as the country grappled with brain-damaged or coma-bound patients whose families said they shouldn't be forced to live a life they wouldn't want, starting with Karen Ann Quinlan in 1975, then to Nancy Cruzan in 1990 and now to Schiavo.
Critics say the medical community and society have gone too far. "When original advance directives were created, nobody contemplated that hospitals would refuse to treat ... It was usually just the opposite, doctors refusing to pull the feeding tube," said Burke Balch, director of the National Right to Life Committee's medical ethics center.
Now, he says, the presumption in the hospitals, the courts and in too much state legislation, is to go ahead and pull life-sustaining treatment when there is not enough evidence that the patient wanted it.
Doctors and bioethicists say that overwhelmingly, safeguards exist in hospitals and in courts to ensure that patients' and families' wishes and best interests are protected.
"Are they going to go out and undo all the hard work that people have done to make sure they can die without having to go to court?" said Dr. Jean Teno, associate director at Brown University's Gerontology and Health Care Research Center.
Most decisions, unlike the portrayal of critics, are made by doctors and families working together, she said. "My sense is that this approach is working."
Political agendas are hard to discount, as congressional leaders raise dire warnings against judges in Florida and Washington over their Schiavo decisions. That meshes with GOP efforts to put more conservatives in the judiciary.
But political stereotypes fell, too, with traditionally liberal leaders like Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader supporting Terri Schiavo's parents efforts to keep their daughter alive.
Advocates vow that the questions of civil rights and morality are going to win out.
"If there's any doubt, than life trumps death," said Donnelly, in Kansas. "I'm a quadriplegic, been that way for 28 years. I would hate for somebody else to decide my life is not worth living."
If you have lists, please ping them here.
Ping. Do you have any pretty pictures of Terri and if you have info re: the Memorial Service, feel free to post it here. Thanks, FV
tutstar, at your convenience, can you put some other Terri links here to start things off for April? Thanks, FV
I'll link exchange over there in case we get news.
If you are putting together a ping list, would you please add me.
April 2, 2005
Terri's family have arranged a funeral Mass to remember their daughter and sister. Supporters have been encouraged to join in prayer with the Schindlers.
Holy Name of Jesus Catholic Church
5800 15th Avenue South
Gulfport, Florida 33707
Tuesday, April 5, 2005
There will be a reception from 5.30 to 7.00pm at the Maria Center directly across from the church.
Services begin at 7.00.
The media has been asked to allow the family of Terri Schiavo and their many volunteers privacy at this time.
Terri's family has received flowers from so many people and are touched by these acts of kindness. They, literally, have no room left for more.
If you would like to send your condolences to the Schindler family in lieu of flowers, you may send a Mass Offering Card to the Holy Name of Jesus Catholic Church or a note to the Schindlers at the address below.
Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation
4615 Gulf Blvd #104-103 -
St Petersburg Beach, FL 33706
I for one did not think it would actually come to starving a helpless woman. I thought about driving to FL during the whole time -- but there was always one more thing to hope for; and honestly, I hoped there would be more than enough local people there -- to raise consciences, etc.
I did witness locally on Good Friday. Could not abandon her on that day of all others . . .
Her last name was Schiavo. Thats just silly to only use her maiden name in the post headline.
Sure her husband helped kill her but that doesn't change her last name.
It's so simple, isn't it? And yet the waters have been muddied.
TERRI PING LIST CONTACT: ohioanfromflorida
At your convenience, can you link some recent Terri threads here??? Thanks, FV
Hubby was in a de facto remarriage which was against Florida laws against cohabitation with 2 illegit kids.
Yes!............... Thank you FV!!!
Terri Schindler she is!
Theresa Marie Schindler... April Daily Thread 2005
CALL TO ACTION: Our Fight for Justice Continues
Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Florida ping list!. . .don't be shy.
Yes!............... Thank you FV!!!
Terri Schindler she is!
Sorry! it didn't post then posted twice!
Oh...but maybe it needed to be said TWICE!!!!!
Private message sent to you...Buddy B
Terri ping! If anyone would like to be added to or removed from my Terri ping list, please let me know by FReepmail!
"Woodside, with room for 70 patients, is a small part of Hospice's $90-million-a-year operations. Hospice paid about $40,000 for off-duty Pinellas Park police officers to provide security, in addition to officers assigned there by the Police Department, Labyak said. That money came from a "quality of life" reserve fund that usually fulfills last wishes such as helping one patient fly to Peru to visit her mother."
They also interviewed some of the medical staff.
Notice the attempt to make sweet Terri's Death Chamber look so benign and lovely, with cute little accessories and decorative touches to quell the jittery nerves of the public so they'll not doubt how "peaceful" Terri's death was.
This is the room where Terri suffered, where that lovely sunlit view to the outside was denied her, where she writhed in pain, thirsted for a mere drop of water, and struggled for breath .. until her dried up body just ceased functioning.
WE WILL NEVER FORGET
1. The money from a lawsuit always goes into a trust fund to pay medical expenses for the victim. The money can never be used to pay for lawyers. If any is left when the patient dies, the remainder is either given to the state or returned to the original defendant. If any is left when the patient recovers to the point of not needing extraordinary care, the remainder goes to the patient.
2. The "findings" of a judge may be appealed. The appeals courts can and should look to see whether the original judge was right on the facts of a technical case and not just whether he followed the law.
3. If the spouse of a disabled person does something that is grounds for divorce, family or friends of the disabled person may file for divorce on that person's behalf. If the facts support a divorce, the divorce will be granted.
"I have disdain for the Naughty Nine Republicans in the Florida Senate who vote "No" which barred Terri from legislative relief. The GOP House Members who voted "No" on Terri, shame on them too. "
Floridians ought to write letters to editors, and/or call talk shows, to remind voters, which candidates voted against Terri - JUST BEFORE THEIR ELECTION.
And voters of other states shold do the same, when their reps/U.S. senators come up for reelection.
YES -- THANK YOU!!
If you compare that room to the one with the pic of Terri that was reportedly taken in the hospice on day 13 of Terri's starvation, it doesn't look like there's paneling in the pic on Turner's site. The pic you posted has paneling behind the bed and a bedside table. Did they move the furniture around or is the Hal Turner pic a fake?
My priest said he would never call her Schiavo again, becaus of how MS treated her...he was very unhappy about what the outcome was...
Sure her husband helped kill her but that doesn't change her last name
Lori Hackings parents changed her last name back to her maiden name ( I forget it at the moment) after they found Lori in the dump and were able to bury her
Michael, when his family member died a few years back, LISTED JODI Centonze, his concubine, as a survivor, his (oh gag me with a spoon) financee-roflmao!....TERRI.............. HIS
VICTEM, er, wife, WAS NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THE OBITUARY.
Did you know that that is how the Schindler's found OUT about his
So JRochelle, what's good for the goose is also good for the gander...whaddayasay? Apparently Michael doesn't consider Terri his WIFE or she would have been mentioned in the paper as thus! Instead, his
whore, concubine, got the STARRING ROLE!!!!
So if the SCHINDLER's want to REMEMBER Terri as THEIR DAUGHTER with THEIR NAME, I say....
GOOD FOR THEM!
About time some REALITY crept into the NIGHTMARE they have lived with...
NOTE TO MICHAEL:
You lost. Big time. Terri's was mentioned in the MASS held for the POPE on Saturday...and at the mass in Washington DC, as well!
So denying the Schindlers a mass...lol......well...come on...Mr. Odometer....A MASS AT THE VATICAN!!! hehe...
GOD IS SO AWESOME!!!!!
I haven't put that name on her for a long time. No reason to.
No...no reason to call her any name, other than that, with which she was born.
She no longer has to put up with the dastardly acts of one of the cruelest evils that I've had any experience with in my long life!
I've seen mean and evil...but he and his death worshipping fiends topped it all!
We have to continue on and get through this!
Even though it still pains all of us, that love LIFE!
that picture was proven not to be taken during her starvation. It was a picture taken in 2002.
I have been rereading the account in St. Julian of Norwich's Showings The Revelations of Divine Love how Jesus was drained of every last drop of blood till he was dry as dry could be -- a thing she could barely stand to know or understand -- and of course I thought of Terri being dehydrated to death.
Please let it load -- it's 11 mb.
Have headphones or sound on.
I will never refer to Terri as Terri Schiavo. IMO, she is,was, and will always be Terri Schindler.
Saw it already. It is so nice!
Adding this to the thread here. It looks like there are already some attempts to organize. Perhaps we can join those groups too. Anyway this is a discussion from the previous thread on starting a Free Republic activist group.
It would really be great, if we could talk Jim Robinson into leading it.
Like others, my organizational skills are lacking, but if some of us get together, I think we could accomplish something.
First, we need a vision statment. I had two things, I wanted to see:
1) a law passed to protect the disabled.
2) an investigation
Both of these would need to be expanded.
For instance on the first one, we need to expand it to include some of the things some of us have already identified:
a) Look at the House Bill for protecting the disabled
b) We need to look at "what is due process in the case of the disabled". As it stands now, one judge can condemn someone to die that is disabled. This is outrageous. A criminal is given a jury trial and the courts bend over backwards to protect his rights.
c) how so we get "due process" changed. For criminals this had been interpreted by the courts with actual cases, such as the right to a speedy trial, etc. Do we need an amendment to change "due process for the disabled" or can it be done in a bill? Seems like a bill would be good enough, since they can pass things like advance directives without any problem. An amensment would take a long time.
d) Talk to the consitutional attorneys that have spoken out for Terri to look at helping us pass a bill/amendment and how to make it foolproof ( or should I say Judgeproof).
e)would be nice to get Mel on Board, as spokesman.
We may want to add two more vision statements:
3) End judicial tyranny.
4) Make congress and the President take back the powers invested in them.
I guess these would have to be voted on or something. I would back all four. There may be other points we would want to add. But I think we would have a better chance of getting something accomplished if we limited what we want to do.
We could formulate a vision statement in our new activist thread.
one more way to crush Terri's spirit,
ordered NO TV (afraid she might hear something that upset her...lol..so much for a PVS state! That is SO LIKE saying he knew she understood the spoken word!)...
because he KNEW she might find some stimulation from hearing it and he SO WANTED her shut off from the world (a privacy issue, don't you know, ala scientology specs),
and since Michael did NOT allow gifts or RELIGIOUS symbols....
OH, and that music thingie felos talked about, the playing of the peaceful music as she was crying out for water and food with no way to express it as the morphine shut down whatever actions she could employ...........
Is FELOS saying Terri could ENJOY music? Hmmmmmmmmm.
A PVS person could differentiate music, actually ENJOY IT?
Does the HOSPICE death squad REALLY think we are fooled by this grotesque picture?
I have walked the halls of that particular hospice...seen the icky hallway names like "magnolia avenue" (oh PUKE) and seen the administrative office hallway where labyak hatches her euthanasia DEATH WITHOUT DIGNITY...starvation style!dehydration style! Kill the DISABLED STYLE...to hell with terminal illness requirements STYLE PLANS, which you walk by if you enter from the side door of the chapel (must KILL labyak that there is a chapel on the premises...but it makes it seem so...well...religious...dontchaknow!
What I wonder is.....upon walking around the entire perimeter, quite a few times, I noticed big fountains placed close to the buildings wings (all one story), five wings, I think, if you include the entryway short wing, ....
DO PEOPLE IN THaT HOSPICE WHO ARE BEING DEHYDRATED TO SPEED UP THE STARVATION FORCED to LISTEN to WATERFALL from FOUNTAINS as they experience a dryness none of us will ever know?
Ohhhhhhhh...these people are sick.
There is something so corrupt about this perverted group of death jockeys and the suncoast hospice and the pallative care at the univ SF ...it is just creepy.
Am looking forward to the END of LIFE PANEl findings (along with the PROJECT GRACE ADVISORY GROUP) and their insertion of the food and water as artificial means of sustaining life into the florida law...and that timetable and their associations as it relates to felos's activities therein and oh my goodness...even GREER's name pops up....This is going to so RIGHT!
thing is Republic, the majority of our states say that a feeding tube is considered life support, not just in Florida. However, I believe Florida took it to the extreme. I also believe that when the law was changed in states about this that they had no idea that it would be interpreted the way it was in Terri Schindler's case. But who knows!
Check this out everyone!
You will not believe the provisions in that law!
WOrse...felos was associated with this...as was Greer...while the SCHIVO "I want to KILL MY BURDENSOME WIFE SO I CAN GET A CATHOLIC CHURCH WEDDING WITH MY CONCU...er...FIANCEE "(I never knew you could have a FIANCEE and be married at the same time!) and were working on this while actively representing michael the beast!
Florida is the place that so many Senior Citizens come to retire, and they end up dying there. I bet you dollares to donuts that Retiring folk now think twice about moving to Florida.
Everyon, go here and demand the DOJ investigate the Murder of Terri Schiavo! I just left them a huge request and let the article of which Nurse Aignes says terri was not PVS.
The death chamber is DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!! They wouldn't allow photos DURING the murder but now they want people to think it was such a lovely setting. This just makes my blood boil!
I wish I could be there. I sent a sympathy card and wrote in it my heartfelt condolences. (I still can't believe this happened.)
I hope all of those who participated in any way in this atrocity will be held accountable.
I want to be on every Terri SCHINDLER ping list. Thank you! I will NEVER forget.
Your Post #31 - I love it!!!!
I send my prayers for Terri's family, especially her mother. How is she doing?
Why, thank you. I've added you now. :)
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