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Mark Steyn: Atlanticist small talk is all that's left
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 02/22/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/21/2005 2:26:50 PM PST by Pokey78

'The change for the moment is more in tone than substance," wrote Alec Russell, reporting on President Bush's European outreach in yesterday's Daily Telegraph. You don't say.

My colleague is almost right. In Brussels yesterday, the President's "charm offensive" consisted of saying the same things he always says ¨- on Iraq, Iran, Palestine, the illusion of stability, the benefits of freedom, the need for Egypt and Saudi Arabia to get with the programme, etc. But, tone-wise, the Bush charm offensive did its best to keep the offensiveness reasonably charming ¨C though his references to anti-Semitism and the murder of Theo van Gogh by a Dutch Islamist were a little more pointed than his hosts would have cared for.

But, in the broader sense vis-¨¤-vis Europe, the administration is changing the tone precisely because it understands there can be no substance. And, if there's no substance that can be changed, what's to quarrel about? International relations are like ex-girlfriends: if you're still deluding yourself you can get her back, every encounter will perforce be fraught and turbulent; once you realise that's never gonna happen, you can meet for a quick decaf latte every six ¨C make that, 10 ¨C months and do the whole hey-isn't-itterrific-the-way-we're-able-to-be-such-great-friends routine because you couldn't care less. You can even make a few pleasant noises about her new romance (the so-called European Constitution) secure in the knowledge he's a total loser.

World leaders are always most expansive when there's least at stake: the Queen's Christmas message to the Commonwealth is the ne plus ultra of this basic rule. In Her Majesty's beloved Commonwealth family, talking about enduring ties became a substitute for having them.

That's the salient feature of transatlantic dialogue since 9/11: it's become Commonwealth-esque - all airy assertions about common values, ties of history, all meaningless. Even Donald Rumsfeld is doing it. At the Munich Conference on Collective Security the other day, he gave a note-perfect rendition of empty Atlanticist Euro-goo: "Our collective security depends on our co-operation and mutual respect and understanding," he declared, with a straight face.

Rummy's appearance in Munich was unscheduled. A German federal prosecutor was investigating a war crimes complaint against the US Defence Secretary and, although it seems unlikely even the silliest showboating Europoseurs would have been foolish enough to pull a Pinochet on him, Rumsfeld made a point of not setting foot on German soil until Berlin put an end to that nonsense. That tells you more about transatlantic relations than anything in the speech.

But, just for the record, the "collective security" blather is completely bogus. In the column I wrote on September 11, 2001, I mentioned en passant that among the day's consequences would be the end of Nato - "a military alliance for countries that no longer in any recognisable sense have militaries". I can't remember why I mentioned Europe and Nato in that 9/11 column. It seems an odd thing to be thinking about as the towers were falling.

But it was clear, even then, that the day's events would test the Atlantic relationship and equally clear that it would fail that test. Later that week, for the first time in its history, Nato invoked its famous Article Five - the one about how an attack on one member is an attack on all. But, even as the press release was rolling off the photocopier, most of the "allies" in this post-modern alliance were insisting that the declaration didn't mean anything. "We are not at war," said Belgium. Norway and Germany announced that there would be no deployment of their forces.

Remember last year's much trumpeted Nato summit in Turkey? This was the one at which everyone was excited at how the "alliance" had agreed to expand its role in Afghanistan beyond Kabul to the country's somewhat overly auto©\nomous "autonomous regions".

What this turned out to mean on closer examination was that, after the secretary-general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, put the squeeze on Nato's 26 members, they reluctantly put up an extra 600 troops and three helicopters for Afghanistan. That averages out at 23.08 troops per country, plus almost a ninth of a helicopter apiece. As it transpired, the three Black Hawks all came from one country - Turkey - and they've already gone back. And Afghanistan is supposed to be the good war, the one Continental officials all claim to have supported, if mostly retrospectively and for the purposes of justifying their "principled moral opposition" to Iraq.

A few months before 9/11, I happened to find myself sitting next to an eminent older statesman. "What is Nato for?" he wondered. "Well, you should know," I said. "You were secretary-general. You went into the office every day." With hindsight, he was asking the right question. On the other hand, if Nato is useless to America, it looks like being a goldmine for the Chinese, to whom the Europeans are bent on selling their military technology. Jacques Chirac is pitching this outreach to the politburo in lofty terms, modifying Harold Macmillan and casting Europe as Athens to China's Rome. I can't see it working, but the very attempt presumes that the trans©\atlantic relationship is now bereft of meaning.

Nato will not be around circa 2015 - which is why the Americans are talking it up right now. An organisation that represents the fading residual military will of mostly post-military nations is marginally less harmful than the EU, which is the embodiment of their pacifist delusions. But, either way, there's not a lot to talk about. Try to imagine significant numbers of French, German or Belgian troops fighting alongside American forces anywhere the Yanks are likely to find themselves in the next decade or so: it's not going to happen.

America and Europe both face security threats. But the difference is America's are external, and require hard choices in tough neighbourhoods around the world, while the EU's are internal and, as they see it, unlikely to be lessened by the sight of European soldiers joining the Great Satan in liberating, say, Syria. That's not exactly going to help keep the lid on the noisier Continental mosques.

So what would you do in Bush's shoes? Slap 'em around a bit? What for? Where would it get you? Or would you do exactly what he's doing? Climb into the old soup-and-fish, make small talk with Mme Chirac and raise a glass of champagne to the enduring friendship of our peoples: what else is left? This week we're toasting the end of an idea: the death of "the West".


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To: bobjam
We are a nation mostly populated by people who fled Europe for a better life here. If Europe is so great, then why did we leave? And there's the problem with Europe: the smart ones either came here or went to Australia."

My sentiments exactly. America is the anti-Europe.

61 posted on 02/22/2005 1:11:53 AM PST by Ronzo (God Bless & Protect all of our troops, wherever they serve.)
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To: okie01

I agree completely. BTW, where are the Poms or Euros on this thread? Their silence is deafening... ;-)


62 posted on 02/22/2005 2:34:52 AM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: okie01

I agree completely. BTW, where are the Poms or Euros on this thread? Their silence is deafening... ;-)


63 posted on 02/22/2005 2:35:01 AM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: DCPatriot
"An organization that represents the fading residual military will of mostly post-military nations is marginally less harmful than the EU, which is the embodiment of their pacifist delusions."

- While you can pay a researcher to dig up little known facts on issues or find old quotes from politicians, you can't hire researchers to give you insights like the one above - and Steyn churns out three or four goodies like it in every column.
64 posted on 02/22/2005 7:22:41 AM PST by finnigan2
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bump for later


65 posted on 02/22/2005 7:34:54 AM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Pokey78

Am I the only one here who doesn't especially care for all of this European "fence-mending" nonsense? It looks to me like grovelling and reinforces the false notion that we're to blame for the things that have gone wrong in the minds of the lefties. Chirac is our enemy, not our friend, and watching Bush sit there with him kind of makes me sick. This is NOT what I voted for Bush for.


66 posted on 02/22/2005 7:41:31 AM PST by jpl (Islam is a religion of peace, as in "Rest in Peace".)
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To: Brian Allen
Already is, bar the superciliously-sanctimonious squalidly-socialistic simpering.

Once again, you prove to be simultaneously insulting and delusional. I would pay real money to see you repeat this rubbish you spout in a pub full of Royal Marines. You'd have your broken, beaten head handed back to you on a platter.

Most politely, of course.

Ivan

67 posted on 02/22/2005 7:47:14 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: finnigan2
I'm not dissing Mr. Steyn.

He is far above the crowd in brilliance and insight, IMO.

I'm just saying that details and statistics are researched by interns. He uses them spendidly.

68 posted on 02/22/2005 7:48:39 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Pokey78

Got a Steyn ping list? If so, add me! :)


69 posted on 02/22/2005 9:01:04 AM PST by Romish_Papist (Hannity nutshell: "Buy my book, eat @ Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, repeat ad nauseum...)
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To: Pokey78
Got room for one more on that Steyn ping list?

The guy is consistently brilliant.

70 posted on 02/22/2005 9:39:48 AM PST by Semper911 (Those who wait also serve.)
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To: Pokey78
Money quote:

An organisation that represents the fading residual military will of mostly post-military nations is marginally less harmful than the EU, which is the embodiment of their pacifist delusions.

71 posted on 02/22/2005 11:00:17 AM PST by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear; yoda swings

Ping


72 posted on 02/22/2005 1:59:45 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: bobjam
we didn't even ratify the stupid treaty that was supposed to solve all problems for all times. As a result, the public was reluctant to get into "another mess in Europe" now called WWII. We helped oust that maniac with the hokie mustache and then propped up the western half of the continent so as to keep the other manic dictator and his successors out.

Just recently watched Frank Capra's Why we fight series. You are right. WWII was seen as "another mess in Europe." They took opinion polls even back then and the people would have none of it. Some bone-chilling similarities in attitude.

73 posted on 02/23/2005 3:44:06 PM PST by formercalifornian (Daschle b-gone!)
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To: speedy

He also writes things they don't get posted, like reviews and such... for magazines/websites like New Criterion and such


74 posted on 02/25/2005 2:39:55 AM PST by GeronL (Bush on the PRESS "They just float sewer out there.")
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To: Pokey78
This week we're toasting the end of an idea; we're toasting the death of the West."

Ouch!

75 posted on 02/25/2005 6:37:40 AM PST by Joan912 (winter is overrated...)
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To: speedy

Steyn is unbelievably prescient. He is truly a gifted writer.


76 posted on 02/25/2005 6:39:40 AM PST by Joan912 (winter is overrated...)
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To: MadIvan
Having met a few RMs, I have no doubt that insulting Britain in a bar full of them would speedily lead to the result you mentioned.

However once Blair is no longer PM, what's to become of Britains political will? A nation can have the finest soldiers in the world but if they lack the will to use them what good are they?

L

77 posted on 02/25/2005 6:54:06 AM PST by Lurker ("We're all sinners, but jerks revel in their sins. " P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Lurker

It depends on who succeeds Blair. Blair is positioning a handpicked successor, Alan Milburn. If he takes over, it is likely the status quo will be maintained.

If Gordon Brown, the present chancellor, becomes PM, it is likely he would run the Labour Party into the ground: he's a man who has a lot of petty vendettas. In which case, the Tories will have a chance to pick a decent leader - either bring back William Hague or perhaps install David Davis, and they'll be back in power.

None of these options have as much prestige as Blair, but it must be remembered, before Blair took office, he didn't have that much prestige either.

Regards, Ivan


78 posted on 02/25/2005 6:57:56 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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