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Mark Steyn: Atlanticist small talk is all that's left
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 02/22/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/21/2005 2:26:50 PM PST by Pokey78

'The change for the moment is more in tone than substance," wrote Alec Russell, reporting on President Bush's European outreach in yesterday's Daily Telegraph. You don't say.

My colleague is almost right. In Brussels yesterday, the President's "charm offensive" consisted of saying the same things he always says ¨- on Iraq, Iran, Palestine, the illusion of stability, the benefits of freedom, the need for Egypt and Saudi Arabia to get with the programme, etc. But, tone-wise, the Bush charm offensive did its best to keep the offensiveness reasonably charming ¨C though his references to anti-Semitism and the murder of Theo van Gogh by a Dutch Islamist were a little more pointed than his hosts would have cared for.

But, in the broader sense vis-¨¤-vis Europe, the administration is changing the tone precisely because it understands there can be no substance. And, if there's no substance that can be changed, what's to quarrel about? International relations are like ex-girlfriends: if you're still deluding yourself you can get her back, every encounter will perforce be fraught and turbulent; once you realise that's never gonna happen, you can meet for a quick decaf latte every six ¨C make that, 10 ¨C months and do the whole hey-isn't-itterrific-the-way-we're-able-to-be-such-great-friends routine because you couldn't care less. You can even make a few pleasant noises about her new romance (the so-called European Constitution) secure in the knowledge he's a total loser.

World leaders are always most expansive when there's least at stake: the Queen's Christmas message to the Commonwealth is the ne plus ultra of this basic rule. In Her Majesty's beloved Commonwealth family, talking about enduring ties became a substitute for having them.

That's the salient feature of transatlantic dialogue since 9/11: it's become Commonwealth-esque - all airy assertions about common values, ties of history, all meaningless. Even Donald Rumsfeld is doing it. At the Munich Conference on Collective Security the other day, he gave a note-perfect rendition of empty Atlanticist Euro-goo: "Our collective security depends on our co-operation and mutual respect and understanding," he declared, with a straight face.

Rummy's appearance in Munich was unscheduled. A German federal prosecutor was investigating a war crimes complaint against the US Defence Secretary and, although it seems unlikely even the silliest showboating Europoseurs would have been foolish enough to pull a Pinochet on him, Rumsfeld made a point of not setting foot on German soil until Berlin put an end to that nonsense. That tells you more about transatlantic relations than anything in the speech.

But, just for the record, the "collective security" blather is completely bogus. In the column I wrote on September 11, 2001, I mentioned en passant that among the day's consequences would be the end of Nato - "a military alliance for countries that no longer in any recognisable sense have militaries". I can't remember why I mentioned Europe and Nato in that 9/11 column. It seems an odd thing to be thinking about as the towers were falling.

But it was clear, even then, that the day's events would test the Atlantic relationship and equally clear that it would fail that test. Later that week, for the first time in its history, Nato invoked its famous Article Five - the one about how an attack on one member is an attack on all. But, even as the press release was rolling off the photocopier, most of the "allies" in this post-modern alliance were insisting that the declaration didn't mean anything. "We are not at war," said Belgium. Norway and Germany announced that there would be no deployment of their forces.

Remember last year's much trumpeted Nato summit in Turkey? This was the one at which everyone was excited at how the "alliance" had agreed to expand its role in Afghanistan beyond Kabul to the country's somewhat overly auto©\nomous "autonomous regions".

What this turned out to mean on closer examination was that, after the secretary-general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, put the squeeze on Nato's 26 members, they reluctantly put up an extra 600 troops and three helicopters for Afghanistan. That averages out at 23.08 troops per country, plus almost a ninth of a helicopter apiece. As it transpired, the three Black Hawks all came from one country - Turkey - and they've already gone back. And Afghanistan is supposed to be the good war, the one Continental officials all claim to have supported, if mostly retrospectively and for the purposes of justifying their "principled moral opposition" to Iraq.

A few months before 9/11, I happened to find myself sitting next to an eminent older statesman. "What is Nato for?" he wondered. "Well, you should know," I said. "You were secretary-general. You went into the office every day." With hindsight, he was asking the right question. On the other hand, if Nato is useless to America, it looks like being a goldmine for the Chinese, to whom the Europeans are bent on selling their military technology. Jacques Chirac is pitching this outreach to the politburo in lofty terms, modifying Harold Macmillan and casting Europe as Athens to China's Rome. I can't see it working, but the very attempt presumes that the trans©\atlantic relationship is now bereft of meaning.

Nato will not be around circa 2015 - which is why the Americans are talking it up right now. An organisation that represents the fading residual military will of mostly post-military nations is marginally less harmful than the EU, which is the embodiment of their pacifist delusions. But, either way, there's not a lot to talk about. Try to imagine significant numbers of French, German or Belgian troops fighting alongside American forces anywhere the Yanks are likely to find themselves in the next decade or so: it's not going to happen.

America and Europe both face security threats. But the difference is America's are external, and require hard choices in tough neighbourhoods around the world, while the EU's are internal and, as they see it, unlikely to be lessened by the sight of European soldiers joining the Great Satan in liberating, say, Syria. That's not exactly going to help keep the lid on the noisier Continental mosques.

So what would you do in Bush's shoes? Slap 'em around a bit? What for? Where would it get you? Or would you do exactly what he's doing? Climb into the old soup-and-fish, make small talk with Mme Chirac and raise a glass of champagne to the enduring friendship of our peoples: what else is left? This week we're toasting the end of an idea: the death of "the West".


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1 posted on 02/21/2005 2:26:53 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

Steyn ping!


2 posted on 02/21/2005 2:28:51 PM PST by Pokey78 (11/02/04: The death of Zogby's "sterling" reputation.)
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To: Pokey78

Amazing how he churns out these little gems day after day.


3 posted on 02/21/2005 2:35:01 PM PST by speedy
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To: Pokey78

"This week we're toasting the end of an idea: the death of "the West"."

Whew.


4 posted on 02/21/2005 2:35:31 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pokey78
This week we're toasting the end of an idea: the death of "the West".

Regrettably, I fear Steyn is right.

Henceforth, who in the EU can the U.S. count on? The UK seems bent on subsuming her sovereignty in the Eurinal and, thus, won't remain a reliable ally for long. Great Britain may well be Canada Mk II.

At some point, Poland is likely to become less independent in her thinking and actions, as well. When Berlusconi steps down, how long will Italy maintain a pro-American posture?

When it comes to crunch, as it almost certainly will, will any of these nations have the gumption to survive?

5 posted on 02/21/2005 2:38:53 PM PST by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: speedy

When he dies, I get dibs on his brain.


6 posted on 02/21/2005 2:39:11 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

With Steyn and Coulter and Horowitz on our side, how can we lose? I agree, Steyn is consistently brilliant. One of the great political essayists of the era.


7 posted on 02/21/2005 2:43:08 PM PST by speedy
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To: Pokey78

Steyn travels a lot and sees all types of people in all types of places. That, plus his natural perception, give him a perspective lacking in any other "journalist".

He's consistently right about European-American relations, and almost always way ahead of the rest of the media. And wraps it all in humor so the bad news goes down more easily.


8 posted on 02/21/2005 2:43:48 PM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: hinckley buzzard
Rummy's appearance in Munich was unscheduled. A German federal prosecutor was investigating a war crimes complaint against the US Defence Secretary and, although it seems unlikely even the silliest showboating Europoseurs would have been foolish enough to pull a Pinochet on him, Rumsfeld made a point of not setting foot on German soil until Berlin put an end to that nonsense. That tells you more about transatlantic relations than anything in the speech.

Ping for "Europoseurs"!

9 posted on 02/21/2005 2:48:28 PM PST by maica (Ask a Dem: "When did promoting Democracy and Freedom in the World become a Bad Thing??")
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To: speedy

He is my favorite. Coulter is good, but Steyn is the best. He puts into words what I think but can't articulate.


10 posted on 02/21/2005 2:53:00 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Pokey78

Aside from the funky formatting, this was GREAT! Thanks for the ping, Pokey!


11 posted on 02/21/2005 2:55:51 PM PST by alwaysconservative (There are choices by good people, and excuses from the rest.)
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To: pbrown

He definitely has an unparalleled gift for quickly sizing up the amount of BS in any situation and describing it with a humor that highlights the serious issues involved. The best of all worlds.


12 posted on 02/21/2005 2:56:45 PM PST by speedy
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To: Pokey78
When it comes to short term predictions, Steyn is the Nostradamus of our age.
13 posted on 02/21/2005 2:59:23 PM PST by finnigan2
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To: speedy

""But, in the broader sense vis-à-vis Europe, the administration is changing the tone precisely because it understands there can be no substance. And, if there's no substance that can be changed, what's to quarrel about? International relations are like ex-girlfriends: if you're still deluding yourself you can get her back, every encounter will perforce be fraught and turbulent; once you realise that's never gonna happen, you can meet for a quick decaf latte every six – make that, 10 – months and do the whole hey-isn't-itterrific-the-way-we're-able-to-be-such-great-friends routine because you couldn't care less. You can even make a few pleasant noises about her new romance (the so-called European Constitution) secure in the knowledge he's a total loser.""

Money paragraph...gotta love Steyn


14 posted on 02/21/2005 3:02:57 PM PST by flixxx
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To: Pokey78

"Rumsfeld made a point of not setting foot on German soil until Berlin put an end to that nonsense"

Wow! Now that is telling.

Thank you for the ping. Steyn amazes me. I really miss him in the National Post up here.


15 posted on 02/21/2005 3:04:06 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Pokey78

The concept of a "long standing alliance between Europe and America" is nothing but a myth. Throughout the 19th Century, we fought wars, directly and indirectly, declared and undeclared with England, France and Spain. In 1902, we nearly came to blows with the Kaiser over his plans for Venezuela. After great reluctance (and shear stupidity on the part of a one Wilhelm Hohenzollern), we entered WWI. The politics of war and peace left a bitter taste for us: we didn't even ratify the stupid treaty that was supposed to solve all problems for all times. As a result, the public was reluctant to get into "another mess in Europe" now called WWII. We helped oust that maniac with the hokie mustache and then propped up the western half of the continent so as to keep the other manic dictator and his successors out.

We are a nation mostly populated by people who fled Europe for a better life here. If Europe is so great, then why did we leave? And there's the problem with Europe: the smart ones either came here or went to Australia.

Twice in the last hundred years enough; is saving Europe from their own problems a third time since 1917 too much? Maybe not; but don;t bet on it.


16 posted on 02/21/2005 3:11:23 PM PST by bobjam
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To: Pokey78
But, in the broader sense vis-¨¤-vis Europe, the administration is changing the tone precisely because it understands there can be no substance. And, if there's no substance that can be changed, what's to quarrel about? International relations are like ex-girlfriends: if you're still deluding yourself you can get her back, every encounter will perforce be fraught and turbulent; once you realise that's never gonna happen, you can meet for a quick decaf latte every six ¨C make that, 10 ¨C months and do the whole hey-isn't-it-terrific-the-way-we're-able-to-be-such-great-friends routine because you couldn't care less. You can even make a few pleasant noises about her new romance (the so-called European Constitution) secure in the knowledge he's a total loser.

This analogy nails it! Things will get very ugly in Europe in the not-so-distant future. Thanks Pokey!

17 posted on 02/21/2005 3:12:57 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: flixxx
I totally agree. That one made me laugh out loud.
Being at work that was a small problem.

Mark is great.
18 posted on 02/21/2005 3:16:15 PM PST by e5man_r_u? (A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
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To: bobjam

The smart ones come from all over the world - making it the only consistently ever-improving gene pool on the planet.


19 posted on 02/21/2005 3:17:13 PM PST by maica (Ask a Dem: "When did promoting Democracy and Freedom in the World become a Bad Thing??")
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To: speedy
Amazing how he churns out these little gems day after day.

Maybe a few well-paid and well-fed researchers for starters.

20 posted on 02/21/2005 3:18:23 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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