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STATE OF THE UNION -- 2005 [Live Thread]
2/2/05

Posted on 02/02/2005 3:43:44 PM PST by Timeout

The pre-spin: Bush will spend about 1/2 the speech on foreign policy, 1/2 on domestic, with heavy emphasis on Social Security reform. It's said he will provide a detailed tutorial on the SS system and its problems with a few details on his personal accounts proposal.

Laura's guests are said to be an Afghan voter and an Iraqi voter (too bad there's no Ukrainian wearing an orange hat!).

Should we start a drinking game on how many times the pool camera swings to Hillary? Hmmm. Probably not...it would likely hamper out typing ability.

Word on the blogs has it that the closing part of the speech is a hum-dinger. Set your VCR's.

Report here on outrageous MediaCrat spin before AND after the SOTU. Pictures and screen caps welcome.


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To: A Citizen Reporter
"Well I guess the Iraqis gained your respect here."

For some reason, I still feel it should be the other way around.

Again, once we leave, if that ever happens, and they are able to hold this thing together themselves, only then will they gain my respect. I never had a lot of respect for a people that would sit by for decades, and live under brutal tyranny run by a dictator. Sometimes if people want to live free, they have to sacrifice for it. They clearly opted not to do this on their own.

If brutal tyranny ever took hold here in America, would you just sit by and take it? Or would you be willing to stand up to it? My respect for you would be based on your answer.

4,441 posted on 02/02/2005 10:21:11 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: Timeout

Oh, dear; it makes me sad to know that Joe will scoff at that.


4,442 posted on 02/02/2005 10:21:11 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: Motherbear
A few years back when Enron was big news, some conservative columnist pointed out that the politician who was the number one alltime recipient of Enron donations was Sheila Jackson Lee. (I'm guessing their HQ was in her district).

I'm so glad I read that little factoid and filed it away in my stickly little velcroid brain, because it's frequently been a wonderful argument-winner every time a Lib attempts to "connect the dots" with the same tired old --- "Enron connects to Texas, and Texas connects to Bush, and Bush is a Republican, therefore ......"

4,443 posted on 02/02/2005 10:23:03 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: LUV W

and that is what I've been saying in all the previous posts. I said maybe she got up on the wrong side of the bed or maybe heard a different speech like we all can do when two people see or hear the same thing but they come up with different versions. I guess part of my crusade for anything is that people should not be so narrow minded and intolerant to judge over one or two isolated minor events and look at the behavioral trend over the long haul.....of course if for some reason she kept going off on the Admin then I would not support her but I don't think you'll see that


4,444 posted on 02/02/2005 10:23:57 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: All
Great picture borrowed from another thread:


4,445 posted on 02/02/2005 10:24:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Human freedom?

Our goal is to end tyranny in the *world*??

It is?

'getting tiresome.

take it outside

4,446 posted on 02/02/2005 10:24:02 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: LUV W
"I would give her the benefit of the doubt unless she continues to go off on the Prez! Then......!!!!!!"

And how many benefits of the doubt does she get?

Way Too Much God
Was the president's speech a case of "mission inebriation"?

Friday, January 21, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

A Sourpuss? Moi?
Further thoughts on the passions of the inaugural.

Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

4,447 posted on 02/02/2005 10:24:03 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Thanks for that pic. I recommend passing this pic on to the world.

The picture of an american mother mourning her fallen marine son and an iraqi woman expressing her thanks for the newly gained freedom, these two women hugging each other with Laura Bush standing by and watching, this moment defies all criticism of the war - all criticism past and to come.

The relevance of the iraq war was expressed right there in that moment.

Believe me, nothing else matters. Even the dumbest opponent of the war cannot downplay the importance of that moment.


4,448 posted on 02/02/2005 10:25:24 PM PST by concan
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To: Shortstop7

not sure what you meant but when challenged I"m gonna stand up for what I believe.......you know, kind of like W.


4,449 posted on 02/02/2005 10:26:27 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: mass55th

LOL, his jowls are holding his head up.


4,450 posted on 02/02/2005 10:27:51 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: FreeReign
Read way back. I was referring to the Iraqi people as a whole, all but standing on the side lines while we fought their fight.

72% of the population came off the sidelines and participated by voting in the election

Yeah, that's nice, but not what I was referring to.

4,451 posted on 02/02/2005 10:27:55 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: concan
Even the dumbest opponent of the war cannot downplay the importance of that moment.

Obviously, you didn't watch prissy Ron Reagan on Msnbc tonight. Along with Jeanine Godawful. Sorry to say, they did just that. Even suggested it was staged.

4,452 posted on 02/02/2005 10:29:56 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: Howlin
Have you seen this?! CNN Poll....
President Bush's State of the Union address raised support for his policies on health care and Social Security among people who watched the speech, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Wednesday night.

The percentage of respondents who said the president's proposals in those areas will help the country rose 15 points from when the same question was asked of the same people in the two days before the speech.

In the post-speech sample, 70 percent of respondents said Bush's policies on health care were positive, while 66 percent approved of the president's plan for Social Security.

Bush showed almost as much improvement on Iraq, with 78 percent of respondents saying U.S. policy there is heading in the right direction, a 12 percentage point increase over pre-speech polling. Overall, 77 percent of respondents said Bush is taking the country in the right direction after the speech compared to 67 percent beforehand.

The strong positives for the president's policies may in part be a reflection of the poll's sample. Of the 485 people surveyed, 52 percent identified themselves as Republicans, 25 percent as Democrats and 22 percent as independents. The poll was done by telephone interviews and has a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

Respondents still said Iraq was the most important issue facing the president and the nation in the coming year -- 30 percent, compared with 23 percent for terrorism. Social Security was the top domestic issue, with 19 percent of respondents saying it should be the government's main focus.

Overall, Bush got very positive or positive reactions to his speech from 86 percent of respondents, his best numbers since the State of the Union address he gave January 29, 2002 -- just four-and-a-half months after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 -- when 94 percent of those polled gave him positive marks.


4,453 posted on 02/02/2005 10:30:32 PM PST by Timeout (Dems have been saying no for 10 years. Now they can SCREAM it.)
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To: tgskunk
350 MILLION TO palestine?? no way

There will be no lasting peace in the entire Arab region unless this boiling cauldron calms down

4,454 posted on 02/02/2005 10:30:33 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: NorCalRepub
"I guess part of my crusade for anything is that people should not be so narrow minded and intolerant to judge over one or two isolated minor events and look at the behavioral trend over the long haul....."

Would you then to expect her to say that she was wrong? Would you want her to apologize? If she had just "gotten up on the wrong side of the bed" surely then she should admit she was wrong? NO?

Or is it better to characterize people who criticize her to be "narrow minded and intolerant". That really smacks of "leftist" speech to me.

4,455 posted on 02/02/2005 10:32:13 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: A Citizen Reporter
Three strikes--you're out?!! As I said before, she does love the sound of her own voice! Her critisicm in the second piece sounds like a professor scribbling red comments in the margins of a student's work--she's just trying tooooo hard! I like her when she is a little less preachy! But, the things she has said and written in the past four years is what I base my opinion on--not just two pretentious ones that she wrote for whatever motive--I don't think it was intentionally malevolant.
4,456 posted on 02/02/2005 10:34:27 PM PST by luvie ("THE ROAD OF PROVIDENCE IS UNEVEN AND UNPREDICTABLE-YET WE KNOW...IT LEADS TO FREEDOM!"GWB 2-2-05)
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To: hole_n_one

LOL, his jowls are holding his face up just like Teddy's.


4,457 posted on 02/02/2005 10:35:32 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: FreeReign; Joe Hadenuf
Blog from Iraq:

"What we have witnessed is something amazing.""thank you Mr. President" (the Mesopotamian)

4,458 posted on 02/02/2005 10:36:30 PM PST by windchime (Hillary: "I've always been a preying person")
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To: Terriergal
I'm sure theyr'e all in their little hovels gathered around the community TV in silent hateful dread

he's talking to the dictators of Iran - the people of Iran are listening to his every word. They're counting on him.

A very high percentage of the Iranians listened to his Inaugural speech and cheered.

They're ready to dump their government

4,459 posted on 02/02/2005 10:36:32 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Timeout

HEH..........and his approval is up to 53 percent!


4,460 posted on 02/02/2005 10:36:33 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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