Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bill Buckley, you and I know the war was a mistake
The Hill ^ | June 28, 04 | Josh Marshall

Posted on 06/29/2004 7:00:20 PM PDT by churchillbuff

“With the benefit of minute hindsight, Saddam Hussein wasn’t the kind of extra-territorial menace that was assumed by the administration one year ago. If I knew then what I know now about what kind of situation we would be in, I would have opposed the war.”

Those words are William F. Buckley’s, from an article in yesterday’s New York Times marking Buckley’s decision to relinquish control of the National Review, the flagship journal of the conservative movement he founded 50 years ago.

Also out on the newsstands now, in The Atlantic Monthly, is an essay Buckley wrote describing his decision to give up sailing after a lifetime covering the world’s oceans and writing about it.

Mortality is the backdrop of both decisions, as the 78-year-old Buckley explains. In the Atlantic essay he describes his decision to abandon the sea as one of assessing whether “the ratio of pleasure to effort [is] holding its own [in sailing]? Or is effort creeping up, pleasure down? … deciding that the time has come to [give up sailing] and forfeit all that is not lightly done … brings to mind the step yet ahead, which is giving up life itself.”

There is certainly no shortage today of people saying the Iraq venture was wrongheaded. But Bill Buckley is Bill Buckley. And perhaps it is uniquely possible for a man at the summit or the sunset of life — choose your metaphor — to state so crisply and precisely what a clear majority of the American public has already decided (54 percent according to the latest Gallup poll): that the president’s Iraq venture was a mistake.

So with the formal end of the occupation now behind us, let’s take stock of the arguments for war and see whether any of them any longer hold up.

• The threat of weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

To the best of our knowledge, the Hussein regime had no stockpiles of WMD on the eve of the war nor any ongoing programs to create them. An article this week in the Financial Times claims that Iraq really was trying to buy uranium from Niger despite all the evidence to the contrary. But new “evidence” appears merely to be unsubstantiated raw intelligence that was wisely discounted by our intelligence agencies at the time.

Advocates of the war still claim that Saddam had “WMD programs.” But they can do so only by using a comically elastic definition of “program” that never would have passed the laugh test if attempted prior to the war.

• The Iraq-al Qaeda link.

To the best of our knowledge, the Hussein regime had no meaningful — or as the recent Sept. 11 Commission staff report put it, “collaborative” — relationship with al Qaeda. In this case too, there’s still a “debate.” Every couple of months we hear of a new finding that someone who may have had a tie to Saddam may have met with someone connected to al Qaeda.

But as in the case of WMD, it’s really mock debate, more of a word game than a serious, open question, and a rather baroque one at that. Mostly, it’s not an evidentiary search but an exercise in finding out whether a few random meetings can be rhetorically leveraged into a “relationship.” If it can, supposedly, a rationale for war is thus salvaged.

The humanitarian argument for the war remains potent — in as much as Saddam’s regime was ruthlessly repressive. But in itself this never would have been an adequate argument to drive the American people to war — and, not surprisingly, the administration never made much of it before its other rationales fell apart.

The broader aim of stimulating a liberalizing and democratizing trend in the Middle East remains an open question — but largely because it rests on unknowables about the future rather than facts that can be proved or disproved about the past. From the vantage point of today, there seems little doubt that the war was destabilizing in the short run or that it has strengthened the hands of radicals in countries like Iran and, arguably though less clearly, Saudi Arabia. The best one can say about the prospects for democracy in Iraq itself is that there are some hopeful signs, but the overall outlook seems extremely iffy.

Surveying the whole political landscape, it is clear that a large factor in keeping support for the war as high as it is is the deep partisan political divide in the country, which makes opposing the war tantamount to opposing its author, President Bush, a step most Republicans simply aren’t willing to take.

At a certain point, for many, conflicts become self-justifying. We fight our enemies because our enemies are fighting us, quite apart from whether we should have gotten ourselves into the quarrel in the first place.

But picking apart the reasons why we got into Iraq in the first place and comparing what the administration said in 2002 with what we know in 2004, it is increasingly difficult not to conclude, as a majority of the American public and that founding father of modern conservatism have now concluded, that the whole enterprise was a mistake.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: assume; babblingmarshall; betterreadthanred; broadstrokemarshall; buckley; buckleyisrealdeal; buckleywbathwater; chamberlain; chamberlainbuff; crybabymarshall; delusionaljosh; dictionary4dummies; disinformatzia; divideconquer; hitpiece; ignorantcantread; illiterateright; iraq; joshacommie; joshaleftie; joshclintonmarshall; joshkerrymarshall; joshleftwingmarshall; joshmaomaomao; joshmarshallleftie; kerryspokesman; leftistbait; leftistdrivel; lockstep; lookitup; marshallwantsjob; marshamarshamarsha; marshlmanifsto; neoconsposthere; nologichere; nothinglikechurchill; ohcanuck; outofcontext; readabook; readentirely; readfirst; rujoshingme; senile; shirttailmarshall; strawmanargumt; thundermug; troll; whatshesaying; williamfbuckley; wrongo; yellowjournalism
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 901-910 next last
To: the FLY

That position is not ridiculous. In fact, it sounds like the position of someone who thinks he was conned into believing something that he always suspected wasn't true.


41 posted on 06/29/2004 7:19:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Torie

LOL.


42 posted on 06/29/2004 7:19:52 PM PDT by jwalsh07
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff

The jury is still out on this one.

Meanwhile, there have been no new terrorist attacks on the US mainland.

In my eyes, that alone justifies Bush's war on terrorism as it unfolds in Iraq.


43 posted on 06/29/2004 7:20:34 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff
"...in declining states the leadership intuitively choses the most harmful course of action." A great historian 1888

Invade Iraq(see the article); allow a massive invasion of third worlders who are now aggressively moving to take control; destroy our manufacturing, and they are now busy working on the destruction of our transportation industry;discriminate against their own people in work and in admissions to school; support those who attack the display of Christian symbols-said symbols being displayed for centuries;spend the country ever closer to bankruptcy; supporting the homosexuals while paying lip service to a marriage amendment. It goes on and on. Yet, where do we go Kerry is worse, by about one tenth of one per cent!

44 posted on 06/29/2004 7:20:39 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff

I don't care who you add. You and your crew are wrong. Speaking of crews, Buckley is obviously over the bar - he's given up sailing, so you can't put any stock in anything he says. He's beyond hope.

sign me - Dark Harbor 17 owner


45 posted on 06/29/2004 7:20:50 PM PDT by Endeavor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: the FLY

Well, in 20 years, we can get out the Ouija Board, and maybe find out that his position has yet again changed.


46 posted on 06/29/2004 7:20:58 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (I was elected in AZ as an alt delegate to the Convention. I'M GOING TO NY)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
Iraq was involved in funding and training al-Quaeda for 9/11, and Iraq harbored terrorists and Iraq was going to continue making attacks on U.S. and help channel WMD to groups with intent to use them against us.

Yeah, and out of 9/11 bombers almost all were Iraqis.

47 posted on 06/29/2004 7:21:08 PM PDT by A. Pole ("When they start beheading your own people[...], then you will know what this is all about." - Slobo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: COEXERJ145
Every post I've ever seen you make is bash Bush, "Bush bad", "Bush sucks", "Bush will lose", "We need to warm up to President Kerry", etc, etc, etc.

Well then you haven't been reading my posts since 1998. I'm more conservative - - on govt spending, taxes, pro-life, anti-Clinton, anti-Hillary, envirocrazies -- than many, many freepers. Yes, I disagree with Bush on his bonehead invasion of Iraq, but I have to vote for him, because of all those other issues (Even though he's spending too much). And Kerry? He's for the war - - he agrees with you -- so please don't say that because I opposed the invasion, I'm pro-Kerry. Show more intelligence than that.

48 posted on 06/29/2004 7:21:18 PM PDT by churchillbuff
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff

I can't believe WFB dosen't see the BIG PICTURE.

Iraq, besides defaulting on inspections and the No-Fly-Zone for 10-odd years, is strategically located to Syria and Iran!


49 posted on 06/29/2004 7:21:23 PM PDT by Solamente
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff

I like Bill Buckley, but from time to time he's just plain wrong.


50 posted on 06/29/2004 7:21:23 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Texasforever

You have to love these so called "true conservatives" (yeah, just like seminar callers on Rush and Hannity) that are so self rightous and think that there is no chance they could be wrong and anyone who holds a different view is to be slammed as "neocon", fascist, or worse.


51 posted on 06/29/2004 7:21:23 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff
It strikes me that in the "War vs. Terrorists" (World Wide), Iraq has proven an effective place to put an army, as is Afghanistan. Far be it from me to object to the ruminations of William Buckley, but when you have terrorists pouring into Iraq from all over it helps to make Iraq a target rich environment, and non-Iraq places that much safer. Plenty of terrorists have been neutralized in Iraq.

I think it also didn't hurt to make an example of Hussein.

52 posted on 06/29/2004 7:21:34 PM PDT by stevem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: woodyinscc
I've known Bill since I was a teen.This is soooooooooooo unlike him,that I'm really having trouble believing this statement about the war.

If true,he's lost his marbles and it's a damned good thing that he's retiring!

53 posted on 06/29/2004 7:21:54 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: COEXERJ145
You and everyone else here,has churchy's number.Why this troll is still allowed to post is beyond many of us.
54 posted on 06/29/2004 7:23:23 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child
And George Will thought Reagan was a fool. He has since admitted he was way wrong an that. Longtime Beltway folks are not to be taken seriously on either of their positions on most issues.
55 posted on 06/29/2004 7:23:37 PM PDT by Timmy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Alberta's Child
No, he supported it until two things became clear to him: 1) there never was any WMD threat that was serious enough to warrant a U.S. invasion;

That is an idiotic rationalization. The only reason he knows for sure that there have been no WMD found in large quantities is that we invaded in the first place. Had we not invaded we would STILL be dealing with the pre-war intelligence that stated he had them. As to post occupation woes, NO one said it was going to be a damned cake walk and the moment the first sign of an insurgency cropped up the Democrats and Media IMMEDIATELY started with the Quagmire crap and the more they pushed it the harder the insurgents fought to make it so.

56 posted on 06/29/2004 7:24:09 PM PDT by Texasforever (When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff

Hey WFB - thanks for 50 years of thoughtful ideas.

Bye Bye.


57 posted on 06/29/2004 7:24:11 PM PDT by Captiva (DVC)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Timmy
And George Will thought Reagan was a fool.

WHEN did Will think Reagan a fool? He worked on Reagan's election campaign team in 1980.

58 posted on 06/29/2004 7:24:54 PM PDT by churchillbuff
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: Torie
Actually, Buckley doesn't make any factual assumptions in this article. It's tricky. It states that Buckley is having second thoughts, then the author adds the "facts."
59 posted on 06/29/2004 7:25:40 PM PDT by Timmy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: churchillbuff

What should be American policy toward despots who give santuary to those who murder American citizens?


60 posted on 06/29/2004 7:25:40 PM PDT by jwalsh07
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 901-910 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson