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Bill Buckley, you and I know the war was a mistake
The Hill ^ | June 28, 04 | Josh Marshall

Posted on 06/29/2004 7:00:20 PM PDT by churchillbuff

“With the benefit of minute hindsight, Saddam Hussein wasn’t the kind of extra-territorial menace that was assumed by the administration one year ago. If I knew then what I know now about what kind of situation we would be in, I would have opposed the war.”

Those words are William F. Buckley’s, from an article in yesterday’s New York Times marking Buckley’s decision to relinquish control of the National Review, the flagship journal of the conservative movement he founded 50 years ago.

Also out on the newsstands now, in The Atlantic Monthly, is an essay Buckley wrote describing his decision to give up sailing after a lifetime covering the world’s oceans and writing about it.

Mortality is the backdrop of both decisions, as the 78-year-old Buckley explains. In the Atlantic essay he describes his decision to abandon the sea as one of assessing whether “the ratio of pleasure to effort [is] holding its own [in sailing]? Or is effort creeping up, pleasure down? … deciding that the time has come to [give up sailing] and forfeit all that is not lightly done … brings to mind the step yet ahead, which is giving up life itself.”

There is certainly no shortage today of people saying the Iraq venture was wrongheaded. But Bill Buckley is Bill Buckley. And perhaps it is uniquely possible for a man at the summit or the sunset of life — choose your metaphor — to state so crisply and precisely what a clear majority of the American public has already decided (54 percent according to the latest Gallup poll): that the president’s Iraq venture was a mistake.

So with the formal end of the occupation now behind us, let’s take stock of the arguments for war and see whether any of them any longer hold up.

• The threat of weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

To the best of our knowledge, the Hussein regime had no stockpiles of WMD on the eve of the war nor any ongoing programs to create them. An article this week in the Financial Times claims that Iraq really was trying to buy uranium from Niger despite all the evidence to the contrary. But new “evidence” appears merely to be unsubstantiated raw intelligence that was wisely discounted by our intelligence agencies at the time.

Advocates of the war still claim that Saddam had “WMD programs.” But they can do so only by using a comically elastic definition of “program” that never would have passed the laugh test if attempted prior to the war.

• The Iraq-al Qaeda link.

To the best of our knowledge, the Hussein regime had no meaningful — or as the recent Sept. 11 Commission staff report put it, “collaborative” — relationship with al Qaeda. In this case too, there’s still a “debate.” Every couple of months we hear of a new finding that someone who may have had a tie to Saddam may have met with someone connected to al Qaeda.

But as in the case of WMD, it’s really mock debate, more of a word game than a serious, open question, and a rather baroque one at that. Mostly, it’s not an evidentiary search but an exercise in finding out whether a few random meetings can be rhetorically leveraged into a “relationship.” If it can, supposedly, a rationale for war is thus salvaged.

The humanitarian argument for the war remains potent — in as much as Saddam’s regime was ruthlessly repressive. But in itself this never would have been an adequate argument to drive the American people to war — and, not surprisingly, the administration never made much of it before its other rationales fell apart.

The broader aim of stimulating a liberalizing and democratizing trend in the Middle East remains an open question — but largely because it rests on unknowables about the future rather than facts that can be proved or disproved about the past. From the vantage point of today, there seems little doubt that the war was destabilizing in the short run or that it has strengthened the hands of radicals in countries like Iran and, arguably though less clearly, Saudi Arabia. The best one can say about the prospects for democracy in Iraq itself is that there are some hopeful signs, but the overall outlook seems extremely iffy.

Surveying the whole political landscape, it is clear that a large factor in keeping support for the war as high as it is is the deep partisan political divide in the country, which makes opposing the war tantamount to opposing its author, President Bush, a step most Republicans simply aren’t willing to take.

At a certain point, for many, conflicts become self-justifying. We fight our enemies because our enemies are fighting us, quite apart from whether we should have gotten ourselves into the quarrel in the first place.

But picking apart the reasons why we got into Iraq in the first place and comparing what the administration said in 2002 with what we know in 2004, it is increasingly difficult not to conclude, as a majority of the American public and that founding father of modern conservatism have now concluded, that the whole enterprise was a mistake.


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1 posted on 06/29/2004 7:00:21 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

As a Generation X conservative (I ain't no neo-con!), Bill Buckley has never had any relevancy to my positions.


2 posted on 06/29/2004 7:03:35 PM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: churchillbuff

I'm posting this because those freepers who call me some kind of traitor for opposing the invasion of Iraq are now going to have to add Buckley (along with Tom Clancy and a number of military brass) to the list.


3 posted on 06/29/2004 7:04:21 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

LOL


4 posted on 06/29/2004 7:05:00 PM PDT by kingofrock
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To: churchillbuff

Traiters!

:-)


5 posted on 06/29/2004 7:05:12 PM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: churchillbuff

WOW, this just in, WFB has 20/20 hindsite. (Or he wishes he did. Or he wishes everyone did. Or he wishes he could travel back in time.)


6 posted on 06/29/2004 7:05:56 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Incorrigible

Traitors!

(Spell check next time!)


7 posted on 06/29/2004 7:06:02 PM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: churchillbuff

The majority of the American public also opposed Clinton's impeachment and ouster from office. As for William Buckley, sometimes the most brilliant among us can be wrong.


8 posted on 06/29/2004 7:06:25 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH ( A vote for George Bush is a principled vote!)
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To: churchillbuff

Clancy got added well over a month ago and Bill Buckley isn't GOD;he's an imperfect human being,who happens to be dead wrong about this one.


9 posted on 06/29/2004 7:07:12 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: churchillbuff
You can add George Will to that list, too. I think he summed it up very well a few months ago: "I supported this war when the subject first came up in 2002, and I supported it throughout its execution in 2003. But if I knew then what I know now, I would have adamantly opposed it."
10 posted on 06/29/2004 7:08:38 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: churchillbuff

It appears that wisdom does not continue to increase with age.


11 posted on 06/29/2004 7:09:11 PM PDT by sd-joe
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
The majority of the American public also opposed Clinton's impeachment and ouster from office.

I wasn't one of them! Impeachment was justified. Senate acquittal was not.

12 posted on 06/29/2004 7:09:17 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

He's always been Right - and he's still right. History will show it.


13 posted on 06/29/2004 7:09:17 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: churchillbuff

So, I suppose, was taking down the NAZI's and ending their reign of terror over Europe and the Jews. Buckley has slipped a cog!


14 posted on 06/29/2004 7:09:48 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Alberta's Child
You can add George Will to that list, too. I think he summed it up very well a few months ago: "I supported this war when the subject first came up in 2002, and I supported it throughout its execution in 2003. But if I knew then what I know now, I would have adamantly opposed it."

Can you supply a cite for that quote? This is news to me.

15 posted on 06/29/2004 7:10:26 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

there is a lot of things in hindsight you can think was wrong, but not this war. I like Buckley but he is just wrong on this.


16 posted on 06/29/2004 7:10:47 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Don Corleone
So, I suppose, was taking down the NAZI's and ending their reign of terror over Europe and the Jews.

Totally WRONG!!!! From Dec. 7 1941 on, there was NEVER a poll that showed Americans thought our involvement in WWII was a mistake. Never.

17 posted on 06/29/2004 7:11:45 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

I didn't see it posted in an article of his; I heard it in an interview he gave on Don Imus' radio show back in late April or early May.

When I have time I'll go through his articles since then and see if I can find something along those lines.


18 posted on 06/29/2004 7:12:02 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: churchillbuff

Bill Buckley, George Will, and the other high priests of the past Conservative movement are unfortunately pious wimps, and as such wholly unprepared for today's murderous world invaded by Socialists, the UN, Eurofags, Muslim terrorists, and the Wild-Eyed Scumbag Democrats.

True Warriors like Rush, Ann, Mark, Sean are the future of the Conservative movement.

Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth.


19 posted on 06/29/2004 7:12:57 PM PDT by Stallone (Guess who Al Qaeda wants to be President?)
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To: Alberta's Child
I supported this war when the subject first came up in 2002, and I supported it throughout its execution in 2003.

I see, he supported it until it became PC not to.

20 posted on 06/29/2004 7:13:17 PM PDT by Texasforever (When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
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