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Bill Buckley, you and I know the war was a mistake
The Hill ^ | June 28, 04 | Josh Marshall

Posted on 06/29/2004 7:00:20 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: churchillbuff

Does anyone here have an actual link to Buckley's original op-ed?


901 posted on 07/02/2004 8:51:13 PM PDT by Valentine_W
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To: Torie

As people age, they often become very different from what they once were.


902 posted on 07/02/2004 8:56:09 PM PDT by Valentine_W
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To: CatoRenasci
"Sad. I once respected him. No longer."

I think it very possible to disagree with an individual and yet, "respect them. Or has simple civility become wholly impossible? Bill Buckley has dedicated his entire life championing the conservative movement and the cherished ideals that make our ideology great; I find it distasteful that so many on this forum are willing to forego civility because of a disagreement he has over foreign policy. It is quite childish, actually.

903 posted on 07/02/2004 9:16:16 PM PDT by Valentine_W
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To: Valentine_W
I think it very possible to disagree with an individual and yet, "respect them. Or has simple civility become wholly impossible? Bill Buckley has dedicated his entire life championing the conservative movement and the cherished ideals that make our ideology great; I find it distasteful that so many on this forum are willing to forego civility because of a disagreement he has over foreign policy. It is quite childish, actually.

Two points:

1. I regard the war for civilization against radical Islam to be the defining issue of the new century. One either understands this, and is prepared to wage war a l'outrance, or one does not, and is, therefore, objectively in league with the enemy. It has been a while coming for me, but I simply cannot see how any rational citizen of a country that is part of Western civilization can fail to realize we are at war with radical Islam. I simply cannot respect those who do not, can not, or refuse, to understand that we are truly engaged in a war to the death. One cannot reason with such people, one cannot even talk with them. They bury their heads in the sand or cover their ears and go LALALALALALALA! Therefore, it becomes impossible even to socialize with them.

This is a graver issue than Nazism or Marxism. No decent person would associate with Nazis or Marxists, and no decent person should associate with those who do not support the war.

2. The fact that we are dealing with those who are beyond the pale does not mean we should be uncivil, in the sense of common politeness and ordinary good manners. However, it does not mean that we need to have any respect for their views whatsoever, regardless how how well they have served in the past. Marshall Petain was a great French general who led the French against the Germans in WWI who deserved respect for that; he was also the collaborator of Vichy who deserved nothing but contempt. Benedict Arnold was a successful American general before he betrayed our cause to the British. The former services do not exonerate the subsequent villany.

904 posted on 07/02/2004 9:46:57 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: CatoRenasci

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905 posted on 07/02/2004 10:01:44 PM PDT by Valentine_W
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To: tarheelswamprat; patriciaruth
Thanks for what you remembered PR. It was such a horrific sight. We (much to our dismay) don't have kids, and my little Dachshund, James, means the WORLD to me - our other two are very special, too. I just feel so strongly about dogs because of this. I'm sure if I had been blessed with children, I would feel more strongly about them, too. Hubby used to be a police officer, and holds a special place for kids being abused, or abandonded, in his heart and mind. He finds my love of dogs both endearing, and a bit overboard, but knows why--as I've explained.

As I say, I was SO MAD at SH that night...I truly would have joined, just to blow him away myself.

When I achieve great wealth, I intend to start the JDFAPM - James the Dachshund's Foundation for the Abolition of Puppy Mills!

Small animals are so innocent and there's so much that goes on that they don't understand and are so helpless to defeat. It breaks my heart.

906 posted on 07/03/2004 6:35:48 AM PDT by NordP (The terrorists aren’t bullies on a playground; they’re hard core, “24” TV, head-sawing TERRORISTS!)
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To: CatoRenasci
Well put. I surely don't get their ignorance to this extreeeemly important issue, myself.

Nor do I understand the zzzzzz comment above, except to say perhaps ignorance IS bliss.

For some.

907 posted on 07/03/2004 6:38:47 AM PDT by NordP (The terrorists aren’t bullies on a playground; they’re hard core, “24” TV, head-sawing TERRORISTS!)
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To: CatoRenasci
I believe it's a outrance

Other than that, exactly correct. Bravo!

908 posted on 07/03/2004 7:07:01 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: Jim Noble
You're right. mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
909 posted on 07/03/2004 8:03:24 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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